Need help installing pup on old IBM laptop(solved)

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pelokwin · #91 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 04:05

not quite yet
okso I got everything done with no misstypes but I get a "bad command or file name for the bootgrub/grub exe config file...... I think I know..the line reads C: \bootgrub\grub. exe well if the "c" is the drive and bootgrub is the folder on the drive then the command should read c:\puppy\bootgrub\grub.exe because the "bootgrub is in the folder "puppy"
and now for the bad news I can't get back into windows to take bootgrub out of the puppy folder the set up log freezes

Sit Heel Speak · #92 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 04:23

Reboot the Thinkpad. While it's rebooting, keep tapping, about three times every two seconds, the F8 key. This will bring up a Microsoft Windows 95 Startup Menu. One of the choices on it is "Safe mode command prompt only." Choose this. This will bring you to a C:\> or C:> prompt. Issue the command

edit c:\autoexec.bat

and you can change the line to read puppy\bootgrub instead of bootgrub.

To save go Alt File Save and then Alt File Exit.

Reboot.

If that doesn't succeed in booting Puppy, then do the F8 bootup again and choose

Step-by-step confirmation.

This allows you to step through the bootup process, one line at a time, and watch carefully for error messages. You can see this way which line sends things off into space.

pelokwin · #93 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 04:38

I got "can not run in protected mode must run in real mode"
the I have a " c:\>" promp

Sit Heel Speak · #94 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 04:54

pelokwin wrote:I got "can not run in protected mode must run in real mode"
the I have a " c:\>" promp

You mean, grub.exe started and you got that message?

pelokwin · #95 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 05:15

no, this is what it said
C:\>ECHO Welcome to the pup Pelokwin
Welocome to the pup Pelokwin

C:.PAUSE
Press any key to continue...

C:\>break on

C:\>C:Puppy\bootgrub\grub.exe --config-file=(hd0,0)/bootgrub/menu. lst

cannot run in protected mode. must run in real mode

c:\>goto theend

C:\>rem end of pelokwin's c:\autoexec.bat modified by Sit Heel Speak

c:\>
c:\>
c:\>

c:\>

Sit Heel Speak · #96 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 05:20

Ah. You only changed "bootgrub" to "puppy\bootgrub" once. You also need to add "puppy" in front of "bootgrub/menu.lst" as well.

At the C:\> prompt, issue the command

edit autoexec.bat

and change the line to

C:\Puppy\bootgrub\grub.exe --config-file=(hd0,0)/puppy/bootgrub/menu.lst

Alt-File-Save and try rebooting with that.

pelokwin · #97 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 05:43

no luck it still says can't run in proteced mode

Sit Heel Speak · #98 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 05:51

I am beginning to suspect that the drive is still compressed. When we were done last night, did you turn it off? If so, then when you restarted today the first time, before we changed msdos.sys and config.sys to stop the loading of DriveSpace, ...Windows may have remounted the compressed volume, and we indeed may still be inside it.

Try issuing the command

mem /c /p

and see if DRVSPACE appears in the top part, which lists the loaded drivers.

Does it?

pelokwin · #99 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 06:01

no nothing about drivespace at all
It gives "modules" using under 1mb of memory
MSDOS, HIMEM, EMM386, IFSHLP, ANSI, COMMAND....AND MEMORY SUMMARY convential, upper, reserved, extended (xms)

and a "press any key" to go on prompt

Sit Heel Speak · #100 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 06:11

OK, then we did succeed in exorcizing the DriveSpace devil. There is something else wrong, something wrong with grub.exe.

Below is my own subdirectory listing, the one where grub.exe is.

Issue the command (EDITED to make it easier on your eyes)

dir c:\puppy\bootgrub /on /p

(hit the enter key if you need to scroll the screen)

and tell me if your grub directory looks similar to mine (except, yours won't contain vmlinuz and image.gz):

pelokwin · #101 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 06:25

volume in drive c has no label
volume serial number is 1625-0ef3
Directory of C:\PUPPY\BOOTGRUB
. <DIR> 04-19-06 5:04A
.. <DIR> "same as above"
GRUB EXE 105,482 04-11-06 11:26P
MENU LST 201 04-19-06 10:39P
2 files 105,683 bytes
2 dir(s) 1,250,525,184 bytes free
C:\>
that is all it say's

Sit Heel Speak · #102 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 06:37

I think we're closing in on the problem now...

grub.exe must need some of those other files.

Reboot, don't tap F8, choose the "Windows" menu option, and tell me if Windows 95 comes up OK.

Meanwhile, I'm going out on the 'net and track down exactly where I got my "full-fledged" copy of grub from. Back in a few minutes.

Sit Heel Speak · #103 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 07:03

The grub I'm using is

grub_for_dos-0.4.2pre4.zip (1,218,986 bytes) (EMM386 support)

First issue the command from a DOS prompt

copy c:\puppy\bootgrub\menu.lst c:\

and then download the above zipfile from

http://grub4dos.freespaces.com/

then unzip it to a fresh new temporary directory C:\ZIPTEMP

and burn the whole directory, with its subdirectories, to CD,

then copy it onto your Thinkpad's c:\Puppy\bootgrub subdirectory, entirely.

You can do this by opening two instances of Windows Explorer, one on the CD and the other on C:\Puppy\bootgrub,

and using Ctrl-drag'n'drop,

or,

you can do it from the MS-DOS prompt, by issuing the command (if I recall, your CD is Drive D:)

(let's say that grub.exe is in D:\grub4dos)

xcopy /s /e d:\grub4dos\*.* c:\puppy\bootgrub

and then, to restore menu.lst to how you edited it, issue the command

move c:\menu.lst c:\puppy\bootgrub

(answer the "overwrite?" question yes)

I'm going to call it a night. I'll be back here tomorrow night, 10'ish your time.

pelokwin · #104 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 07:11

I will get to all that tomorow night ( I can't see straight)
thanks good night
pelokwin

pelokwin · #105 Post by **pelokwin** » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 07:12

I will get to all that tomorow night ( I can't see straight)
thanks good night
pelokwin

pelokwin · #106 Post by **pelokwin** » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 01:10

I was also seeing double

alright so I just wanted to give you some more info befor I started putting the new grub file in. when I first try and boot puppy from the HD I get a msg. that says--
EMM386 successfully installed.
Expanded memory services unavailable.
Largest upper memory available.............122kb
Largest upper memory Block available.....95kb
upper memory starting address..............c800 h
EMM386 active.
um... mean anything to you? well i'm going to start so ,I HOPE, the next post is one word "WE GOT PUPPY ON THAT OLD IBM THINK PAD!!! ok mabey 8 words

pelokwin · #107 Post by **pelokwin** » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 01:43

Tried to copy through dos and got "invalid path and I still can't boot windows to do it the other way

Sit Heel Speak · #108 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 02:40

The "/v" switch which I added makes EMM386 display the messages ("v" stands for "verbose"). The messages tell us that EMM386 has successfully loaded. The "Expanded memory services unavailable" part means that we specified NOEMS in the command line, just as you were doing before--in other words, EMM386 is managing memory through the Microsoft "extended memory specification" method rather than the older Microsoft "expanded memory specification" method, which was a 286-era kludge. EMM386 is running fine.

Try the "reboot-and-tap-F8" routine and choose Safe Mode. Tell me if that brings up Win 95 (in 640 x 480 VGA mode).

pelokwin · #109 Post by **pelokwin** » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 03:27

no it went to a comand prompt the page looks like this
windows start up menu
1 normal
2 logged (\bootlog txt)
3 safe mode(this is what i picked
4 safe mode with network support
5 step by step config.
6 comand prompt
7 safe mode comand prompt

enter a choice _
windows is bypassing your start up files

HIEM is testing extended memory...done
C:\>

Sit Heel Speak · #110 Post by **Sit Heel Speak** » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 03:35

Issue these commands:

cd \windows
win /d:m

and tell me what happens.

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