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dogle

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:39    Post subject:  

Stripe, thanks for passing on the 'gen
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regarding the problems with older hardware (10 years plus) dogle has found that if you are using version 0.26 and reduce your call quality from 6 to 4 it actually improves the performance

- but I fear that some confusion has crept in, this was all about poor internet connection quality not older hardware.

I'll post more info. which I hope will be helpful to sc0ttman et al. shortly, when I've had chance to do some more tests.
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2011, 10:11    Post subject:  

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all about poor internet connection quality not older hardware


Smile
On Sundays call, we assured him that Dogles voice was much clearer (no breaking up). He then asked a question and I did not understand, even though his voice is very clear Embarassed
So there is still some break up but it is much improved . . .

I find the disable Firewall Yes/No part of the initial setup confusing
but then I was once confused by a red herring . . .

Anyway I have revived my Puppy Phone wizard.
Which should work for most people setting up in Slacko.

I have not petted it because that confuses me much like that herring . . . Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2011, 23:18    Post subject:  

Sorry I haven't read through this whole thread but just a quick question, is there a reason my iptel.org address works with the new client but not my ekiga.net address.
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 03:31    Post subject:  

@Lobster

1. "I find the disable Firewall Yes/No part of the initial setup confusing"
When I tell it to NOT disable the firewall, it disables it anyway. Confused

2. "I have not petted it because that confuses me much like that herring"
That's a pity...
I know what to do with a PET file, but not with a .tar.gz file. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 03:54    Post subject:  

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I know what to do with a PET file, but not with a .tar.gz file


click on the .tar.gz
extract files
right click on the extracted shell script
and change its permissions
then clicking on the script file will run it . . . Cool

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 04:23    Post subject:  

DPUP5520 wrote:
Sorry I haven't read through this whole thread but just a quick question, is there a reason my iptel.org address works with the new client but not my ekiga.net address.


Post your details for both accounts and we might be able to help. No need to display your passwords though.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 04:29    Post subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
@Lobster

1. "I find the disable Firewall Yes/No part of the initial setup confusing"
When I tell it to NOT disable the firewall, it disables it anyway. Confused


So it does. I will have to fix that.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 06:40    Post subject:  

1. "then clicking on the script file will run it . . ."
(a) Then what does the script do?
Install the Puppy Phone wizard so it can later be run by clicking its item in the menu?...
Or RUN the Puppy Phone wizard?
Hope I'm not sounding dense. Sad

2. "So it does. I will have to fix that"
Great!
The program takes one more step toward perfection. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 06:47    Post subject:  

it runs the Puppy Phone wizard . . . Cool
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 07:02    Post subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
1. "then clicking on the script file will run it . . ."
(a) Then what does the script do?
Install the Puppy Phone wizard so it can later be run by clicking its item in the menu?...
Or RUN the Puppy Phone wizard?
Hope I'm not sounding dense. Sad

2. "So it does. I will have to fix that"
Great!
The program takes one more step toward perfection. Very Happy


There is a script in /usr/sbin/psip32 which is invoked from the Internet Menu

This script does 4 things/steps.

Step 1. Checks to see if .psip.conf exists in /root

If it does, it runs step 2, if not, it allows you to test and setup your sound card with recording and playback.

Step 2 Checks to see if rc.firewall is installed. If it is then you get the option to turn it off, or leave it on. Well it suppose to leave it on if you select On then OK, but at the moment On or Off turns the firewall off. I will fix that.

If you don't have rc.firewall installed then the script progresses to step 3.

Step 3 runs Psip.

When you quit Psip the script progresses to Step 4.

Step 4 gives you the option to leave the firewall off or turn it back on.

So if you don't have a firewall and it's not the first time you have run Psip, a .psip.conf will exist, Psip will load without any prompts.

Simple

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 08:42    Post subject:  

1. Sounds really good... Very Happy
Except...
In my case...

2. When running Psip32 for the 1st time in Slacko-5.3 or Wary-5.2...
It freezes when I attempt to configure it for use [my hardware is 8-year-old]...
And I'm forced to Ctrl+Alt+backspace, and xwin to come back in to the desktop.
So every time I run it it's like the 1st time. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 09:42    Post subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
DPUP5520 wrote:
Sorry I haven't read through this whole thread but just a quick question, is there a reason my iptel.org address works with the new client but not my ekiga.net address.


Post your details for both accounts and we might be able to help. No need to display your passwords though.



Both setups are the same except when I try to use my Ekiga one I get a 606 error upon trying to log in which I couldn't find anything about in the documentation
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 11:28    Post subject:  

Riiight .... quick synopsis for Puppy Phone neophytes:

- if your hardware is ~ 8+ years old you are likely to need Psip0.26 rather than Psip32-1.2 (sound interfacing issues).

- you will need a Puppy version not before 5-series with either of the above.

- you do not need a 'high-speed' internet connection (VoIP traffic demands are quite modest, dialup is OK) but data 'quality' is important.

In a bit more detail:

Sound is all-important, and handled by the hidden ALSA software (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, ubergeek territory). You'll be using a GUI such as Retrovol or AlsaMixer to tweak settings (although, for me at least, Smokey01's wizard fronting Psip32 does a fine job guessing them about right).

Psip0.26 incorporates pjsua; Psip32 incorporates pjsip with pjsua therein - with hardware of a certain age, pjsip struggles to recognise the sound arrangements -> fails -> freezes without making the .psip.conf file, hence the need to revert to Psip0.26.

Puppy 4-series does not play nicely sound-wise (for me) with either Psip32 or Psip0.26 - right now I'm not sure whether this is due to Barry doing something special in the course of the 5-series development, or whether the earlier AlsaMixer 1.0.20 is not quite up to the job, or what.

Any corrections to the foregoing are welcome.

As Stripe reported, we found that my outgoing speech was much improved by reducing the sound quality setting in Psip0.26 from 6 to 4. I presume this is due to amelioration of packet-loss or like problems on a dubious (fast but rubbishy) internet connection .... there is, however, a downside - with the lower setting it has become nigh-impossible to get voice from IPTel echo/music/voicemail ... but Conference is OK! (I haven't figured this out, any ideas?).

It was disappointing not to have any newcomers at the Sunday conference - don't be shy, folks, come and join in!
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 14:49    Post subject:  

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It was disappointing not to have any newcomers at the Sunday conference - don't be shy, folks, come and join in!


I am hesitating joining the iptel company. I mean why do them give
this service for free? What is in it for them to have me onboard?

Are there other such free services that one know something about?

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 16:13    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:


I am hesitating joining the iptel company. I mean why do them give
this service for free? What is in it for them to have me onboard?


I wonder what's in it for Barry, me, 01micko, russoodle, pemesu, kirk,and many other developers and community spirited people in the puppy community.

There are plenty of free SIP services around. Try searching for Free SIP Account and you will find many.

Why are you so suspicious about iptel, is it something we should all know.

Jump in it's fun.

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