Puppy Phone - VOIP using SIP

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Lobster · #361 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 03:05

I left lobster a voice-mail message

Got that - many thanks

Sylvander asks:
Is it possible/easy to make encrypted calls using Puppy Phone?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 237#570237

That is obviously a question for James - James Bond

gcmartin · #362 Post by **gcmartin** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 03:19

Thanks @JamesBond. As you may already know, I have been using quality headsets for years.

Problem is, though, that I have consistently run into the same problems with users who feel its a pain to have to put on a headset. Further, they have problems most often with system configuartion issues with PC clients in the past.

For example, I cannot point to one woman who is going to mess her hair to continually put on and take off a headset everytime she needs to use the PuppyPhone. So I'm trying to envision how we can make it much more acceptable in the mainstream of new and old users..

Now, I trying to envision a different model where the perspective user can use a headset or have a means to attach a "handset" to his system. Most people have no problems with handsets. And wireless handsets does NOT poise any significant troubleing factors for users.

For us, forum users, we are not necessarily phased by headset usage to answer a call or to make a call. But, as the SKYPE generation has taught the telephony community, they have sold millions on millions of handset for SKYPE connection. 19 million users 21 million handsets of all varieties sold. That data alone should show something to us. Not to mention Microsoft's opening blast last month.

Not trying to re-create the wheel. Just trying to position some realistic options for user selection....cheaply!

As i had mentioned earlier, just as you reiterated, a quality headset is a huge step in the right direction for quality. But, as the number show, everyone derives a greater level of familiarity with a handset for telephone calling and ringing for answering. (Never thought about it, but I wonder if I can get a telephone speaker to "Woof-Woof" instead of ringing? Hmmm...)

Hope this helps in understanding

Lobster · #363 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 04:10

I cannot point to one woman who is going to mess her hair to continually put on and take off a headset every time she needs to use the PuppyPhone

Que?
For those coiffure dependent individuals of the female gender, back of the head, aviation headsets and maybe even hairdresser recommended options may be available . . .
http://gizmodo.com/190562/plantronics-b ... s-necklace
Here is a public information film
http://youtu.be/SjxY9rZwNGU

gcmartin · #364 Post by **gcmartin** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 08:07

@Smokey01
Will your work with this thread allow Bluetooth Headset to work with PuppyPhone?

Great work everyone. Thanks in advance

smokey01 · #365 Post by **smokey01** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 08:10

gcmartin I don't believe bluetooth has anything to do with Psip-Puppy Phone.

If you can get bluetooth to work with puppy I'm confident you could use it with Psip.

gcmartin · #366 Post by **gcmartin** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 08:16

smokey01 wrote:gcmartin I don't believe bluetooth has anything to do with Psip-Puppy Phone.

If you can get bluetooth to work with puppy I'm confident you could use it with Psip.

Ever consider a Bluetooth headset as a unit to talk with colleagues?

That why the question. See the connection, now? Or am I missing a key element in Bluetooth pairing for audio?

Can anyone think of any inhibiters to using a bluetooth headset?

jamesbond · #367 Post by **jamesbond** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 12:13

Lobster wrote:Sylvander asks:
Is it possible/easy to make encrypted calls using Puppy Phone?

Coming.

Sylvander wrote:Be able to easily make [and give a suitable NAME to] different tabs for different groups of people...
e.g. "Family", "Friends", etc...

Coming.

Sylvander · #368 Post by **Sylvander** » Wed 05 Oct 2011, 12:54

jamesbond wrote:Coming

SUPERB!

Lobster · #369 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 06 Oct 2011, 23:09

Hi Guys

in particular @smokey and @James . . .
Got your new 1.2-pre pet by email Grant . . .

Sorry it sounds like all negative BUT I am just ignoring the many improvements which I noticed - honest

1. got rid of old .psip.conf file
2. ran pristine - wizard came up - yeah
3. my sound was set up OK, so I did a record and playback
- sound quality was atrocious - and not reflective of the sort of sound I would get from pp (Puppy phone)

4. ran psip - at this point I should have saved and this would have created a blank .psip.conf

5. I continued . . . filled in details in setup (lot of pop up dialog help there)

and the only option at the end was close - which I did and the psip windows grayed out - aka crash

6. restarted x setup details not saved - realized what had happened and did a load of psip and exit . . .
7. added again - this time close saved
8. added a couple of contacts - oh I have categories

eg - family, puppy, drunk bozo friends, emergency psychiatric team etc - no one home - may reboot computer . . .
9. the wizard has a tendency to turn off my firewall (good for some) but I want it on - psip works with firewall on for me . . .
10. Time for a cup of tea - great work - progress

Thanks guys

russoodle · #370 Post by **russoodle** » Fri 07 Oct 2011, 15:05

Many tail-wags to CatDude for his patience and helpful info and for pointing me in the right direction for the latest sources, so i could compile my own build of Psip 1.2-rc

I'm delighted with this version, with the extra features and with the fact that everything seems to be working a treat

I compiled it on Racy 5.1.101 ('Wary on steroids'), on a Dell Latitude D620 puptop, running a frugal install.

Thanks muchly to Smokey01 and jamesbond for all their efforts with this cool little PuppyPhone, it gets better and better!

Caneri · #371 Post by **Caneri** » Fri 07 Oct 2011, 19:57

Is it possible to run psip on vpn by default?

Thanks,
Eric

smokey01 · #372 Post by **smokey01** » Fri 07 Oct 2011, 20:17

Caneri wrote:Is it possible to run psip on vpn by default?

Thanks,
Eric

Eric I have no idea. I have no experience with VPN.

Caneri · #373 Post by **Caneri** » Fri 07 Oct 2011, 22:45

Lobster · #374 Post by **Lobster** » Sat 08 Oct 2011, 15:40

Eric you have posted a message with a url link and an extra space just before [/url] - more than likely - that is why your message is not displaying . . .

Conference call tomorrow Sunday October 9 2011 at 1300h GMT daylight saving time

gonna try calling from release candidate of Puppy 5.3
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy53

gcmartin · #375 Post by **gcmartin** » Sat 08 Oct 2011, 18:23

Lobster wrote:Eric you have posted a message with a url link and an extra space just before [/url] - more than likely - that is why your message is not displaying . . .

Conference call tomorrow Sunday October 9 2011 at 1300h GMT daylight saving time

gonna try calling from release candidate of Puppy 5.3
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy53

@Lobster, which Slacko RC are you using? There are 2

Thanks in advance.

Sylvander · #376 Post by **Sylvander** » Sun 09 Oct 2011, 07:20

1. "Eric you have posted a message with a url link and an extra space just before [/url] - more than likely - that is why your message is not displaying"
I read his post prior to it it magically vanishing.
It said something like:

He didn't like that Puppy Phone was able to allow participants in a call to RECORD the conversation without the other parties knowing.
He would like that capability to be removed.
Or at least that the other parties should be auto-notified they were being recorded.

For those reasons he was now terminating his participation in this thread.

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Having thought about about it, I think he makes a very good point.
I want to cease using Skype [and look for an alternative like Puppy Phone] because it has been bought by Microsoft, and I don't trust Microsoft.
It doesn't help if I can now be recorded without my knowledge by Puppy Phone, and who knows what use made of the recording.
And all without my informed consent.

Lobster · #377 Post by **Lobster** » Sun 09 Oct 2011, 08:05

@Lobster, which Slacko RC are you using? There are 2

rc++

. . . regarding recording . . . I think a 'you are being recorded' light would be a courtesy and it also might be possible to offer a 'do not record me' option.

For most of us it is a very useful choice.

smokey01 · #378 Post by **smokey01** » Sun 09 Oct 2011, 08:37

The recording notification is already built into the latest Psip.

You get a beep and a message telling you who is recording the conversation.

You can either say nothing and not be recorded or hangup, your choice.

The recording facility is very useful but it needs to be used responsibly just like everything else, drinking, diving, parenting etc.

I have updated the latest Psip help file. There is lots of new functionality in the latest Psip.

Enjoy.

dogle · #379 Post by **dogle** » Sun 09 Oct 2011, 09:52

With due respect to those who are worried about recording, I consider the ability to record to be very useful (especially when there is stuff e.g. numbers, code etc. to be written down, and particularly when voice transmission is imperfect).

There seems to be much confusion in the public mind over 'recording' v 'interception', (the latter being "bugging", and highly illegal in most places .... except when undertaken by the Secret State Police). Nowadays companies routinely put 'calls may be recorded' on their stationery (although in most places they don't have to say so), and I really don't have a problem if they choose to record what I say. (OTOH I am very much more actively concerned about their illegal but now commonplace phishing of personal data which I see as hugely more dangerous).

A pretty good rule for those worried about interception is never to convey on an 'open' line any information which might be abused by eavesdropping baddies. In the (unlikely) event that I wanted talk 'secret' stuff then the projected Psip encryption facility would be valuable, but personally I have no need whatever for 'being recorded' signals.

For me, getting Psip32 to work is much more important - to date all attempts have failed (including the 1.2 RC2 Lucid), with Psip32 complaining about audio setup failures and stalling before creating the /.psip.config file. Russoodle experienced similar difficulties at one stage but now

everything seems to be working a treat

Russoodle, do you still see the messages 'failure ... line ... 1294 1873 1994 etc.' when starting your working version from the CLI?

russoodle · #380 Post by **russoodle** » Sun 09 Oct 2011, 11:37

dogle wrote:Russoodle, do you still see the messages 'failure ... line ... 1294 1873 1994 etc.' when starting your working version from the CLI?

No dogle, i haven't been using that version for several days now - been testing heaps of developments since then and Smokey01 has uploaded new pets for various Pups, including Lucid:

http://www.smokey01.com/menu/, click on 6th icon from your left, the red puppy phone, and take your pick

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