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#736 Post by Sizzlechest »

rjbrewer wrote:
No!
If you have any kind of install, the screensaver stays off
permanently after doing the disable.
You know, I'm not sure we're all on the same page here. I want screensavers. That was the whole point in installing the xscreensaver. I just want them to not come on while watching full screen video. I don't want them off permanently.

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#737 Post by rjbrewer »

Sizzlechest wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:
No!
If you have any kind of install, the screensaver stays off
permanently after doing the disable.
You know, I'm not sure we're all on the same page here. I want screensavers. That was the whole point in installing the xscreensaver. I just want them to not come on while watching full screen video. I don't want them off permanently.
Okay;
thought you wanted them off.

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#738 Post by Sage »

if you like the Lucid environment then you should use Slacko with the Lupufy Slacko pets
Not too sure about all this, pd. cf. my earlier pronouncements.
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#739 Post by Sylvander »

1. I took another look at Slacko-5.3
Sure it looks good just like Lupu, BUT...
Whereas Lupu-526 WORKS when I do the usual tweaking like the ataflash config change to the isolinux.cfg file in the ISO...
This change does NOT work in Slacko-5.3

2. I'm working right now in "Dpup-squeeze-5.X.9-scsi" [with ataflash config change that WORKS]...
But then the display in Firefox is not up to the standard of Lupu.
So again Lupu-526 comes out top-of-the-Pups.

3. I think my number-2 behind Lupu-526 is Wary-5.2.2
But I really would like to have the latest Lupu [with all the latest improvements] working as well as version 526.

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#740 Post by smokey01 »

Sylvander & Playdayz,

Here's a thought.

Why not make a diff file between 526 and 528. By inspecting the diff file you may be able to see the changes that might help you find the problem.

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#741 Post by ICPUG »

playdayz wrote: Bigpup, Thanks for the pep talk ;-) The FF 8 problem showed me that there are a surprising, at least to me, number of people still using Lucid. *We* built a good one. But IMHO new users should try Slacko first, as Barry said, because that is his latest work and any creative genius wants people to see his latest work.
You/we created the best Puppy for users there has ever been and you are surprised how many people use it!

Now you want to discourage them from using it.

Sometimes, the Puppy development model is very frustrating.

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#742 Post by Aitch »

Hi guys
As the person who pointed sizzlechest here to get help with his screensaver problem, it seems he's disappointed, as I think what he was looking for was a settings page or script to change the current xscreensaver settings from cutting in while in youtube, to not so....seems like a simple settings issue rather than a turn it off solution is what's required,
If anyone could help to point to xscreensaver settings, or provide a script/edit, it would be most appreciated, thanks

playdayz, doesn't the built-in screensaver setter handle this better than xscreensaver, or maybe there's a conflict and the built-in one is over-riding the other?
I have to say, this is an area where 'that other OS' does so well...

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Puppy_Linux_528.exe

#743 Post by shinobar »

i made a mirror of Puppy_Linux_528.exe which noryb009 made:
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/

@playdayz
consider to put the installer for windows somewhere in the official.

Reference:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61404
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73935
Downloads for Puppy Linux [url]http://shino.pos.to/linux/downloads.html[/url]

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#744 Post by Aitch »

Shinobar...Could you post a how-to for creating mirrors of murga-linux iso repos, if you know [is it using rsync or static/user update?]
The outage was a wake-up call, so the more mirrors the better
Distributed solutions are more secure against server failure
It's a shame no-one has come up with an IP redirect with failure, like a dynamic distributed failover
ideas anyone?
Edit: see http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=74053

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Alsa problems

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Playdayz & Sylvander (aka “the long suffering
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libtool is missing config.guess

#746 Post by mavrothal »

lupu_devx_528-3.sfs is missing /usr/share/libtool/config/config.guess, thus "standard" compiling fails.
As far as I remember this was not the case in lupu_devx_528.sfs.
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#747 Post by playdayz »

You/we created the best Puppy for users there has ever been and you are surprised how many people use it!

Now you want to discourage them from using it.

Sometimes, the Puppy development model is very frustrating.
Yes it is frustrating ICPUG. But here we are and here we'll stay (Lucid). We did a lot of good work, but Barry is the man who made it all possible, and I do understand why he would want people to start with Slacko 5.3.

This problem with sound has bummed me out, smokey01 has an good idea. We have made progress localizing it to beginning with 527. That gives a chance. But since I cannot recreate the problem myself (and I have tried) we would need more testers. I have some other things going on and I cannot spend 6 hours a day on Lucid like I did. There were so many changes from 525 to 528 that i despair of being able to track them and find the culprit. One possibility is to go back to 526 and just make the very most necessary changes. .I am open to ideas.

Uh smokey01, How do you make the kind of diff file you are talking about?

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#748 Post by bigpup »

Well, for me this lost sound has not been a problem. I can not duplicate on my computer.
528 with update 002
Frugal + 3fs save file installed to hard drive

Only one on-board sound device
Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)

Knowing what does work is a start. :idea:

Ideas:
I have read that using 2fs save files is causing corruption problems.

Start a specific bug topic in bugs section of forum.

Example:
Topic already posted in bugs section.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73438

Playdayz and others,

Everyone should be jumping on this problem and trying to figure-out what is causing it and how to fix it.
It is not one of those bugs to leave in the dust and move on.
All I can do is give ideas, but from simple minds come simple answers. :shock: 8) :) :wink:
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#749 Post by playdayz »

This is the development thread for lupu-526 to lupu-527.

lupu-526 p.60 -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 971#547759

luci-268 p. 79 -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 971#549991

lupu-527 p. 82 -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 971#550485

After 526 there was some tampering with initrd.gz to solve the problem about booting with no drives attached. I did *not* do that in the first version of 3HD, (luci-529) but I *did* do it in the second version (luci-001). Does anyone notice anything else suspicious? Startmount from the list below also looks suspicious, but on investigation, shouldn't' run automatically..


268 pplog /dev/null permissions fix aarf/rcrsn51
268 rc.update fixes rerwin
268 shrink some wallpapers
268 latest right-click pemasu/don570
268 Startmount 01micko/tasmod
268 menu entry created for flashplayer config by install-flashplayer (privacy options)
268 udev update to 151-12.3 from Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Updates rerwin
268 add 23oz theme DaveS, remove some blocky old themes. leave Raleigh

527RC Remove Rox right-click "Play audio with mplayer"
527RC Revert to gnome-mplayer 1.0.3 - cd cache problem in 104
527RC PupRadio 0.11
527RC Dillo 2.2.1

528 add XineDVD




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lupu_devx_528-3.sfs is missing /usr/share/libtool/config/config.guess, thus "standard" compiling fails.
As far as I remember this was not the case in lupu_devx_528.sfs.
mavrothal, /usr/share/libtool/config/config.guess is not in the original lupu_devx_528. I compile with the 3 version often, so i am not sure about this. I often see config.guess in the source folder of a program to compile???
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#750 Post by jim3630 »

Sizzlechest wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:
No!
If you have any kind of install, the screensaver stays off
permanently after doing the disable.
You know, I'm not sure we're all on the same page here. I want screensavers. That was the whole point in installing the xscreensaver. I just want them to not come on while watching full screen video. I don't want them off permanently.
I use a pet called no blank screen. looked for it but couldn't quickly find it for you. click on to turn no blank screen on and click it to turn it off.

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#751 Post by bigpup »

Sound issue.

Concerning multiple sound devices.
Found this info in ALSA documentation.
http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
Problems with alsa.conf and udev

On modern GNU/Linux systems, udev takes care of discovering hardware and loading/unloading Alsa. There is one drawback to udev. Udev will load Alsa modules in an undefined order. After each reboot or plugging/unplugging a device, there is no guarantee that a device is renamed using the same hw:x,y numbers. For example, if you have two USB devices on your systems, for example an Audeon USB and an Edirol UA-25, after each reboot, a card can be "hw:0,0" and the other "hw:1,0", each time randomly.

/etc/init.d/alsasound is an udev wrapper that will take care of loading the ALSA modules during booting. But even with it, a few problems may still occurs.
Reordering the driver for a particular card

You can tell /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf (or alsa-base.conf, or similar) to keep a driver in out of the default slot. For example, if you have a a Creative Labs soundcard driven by the "emu10k1" driver and you don't want it to be your default card 0, append

options snd slots=,snd-emu10k1

Note the comma in this line that moves the driver to the second slot.
Module ordering problems

It may be that the sound card order is wrong after booting, but running (as root)

/etc/init.d/alsasound restart

or

/sbin/alsa force-reload

gives the wanted card order.

This can happen because udev is loading some sound driver before alsasound, and alsasound gets confused. A restart will first unload all the sound modules and when restarting, alsasound will work as expected.

The solution is to blacklist the module(s) that udev is loading before alsasound (Typically, the one you get as sound card 0 after booting). You must do this into

/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf

You must also report it as a bug to your distribution.
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#752 Post by otropogo »

ICPUG wrote:
playdayz wrote: Bigpup, Thanks for the pep talk ;-) The FF 8 problem showed me that there are a surprising, at least to me, number of people still using Lucid. *We* built a good one. But IMHO new users should try Slacko first, as Barry said, because that is his latest work and any creative genius wants people to see his latest work.
You/we created the best Puppy for users there has ever been and you are surprised how many people use it!

Now you want to discourage them from using it.

Sometimes, the Puppy development model is very frustrating.

Hear, hear!

I’m also stuck with lupu 5.2.8, and it’s certainly not from lack of trying Slacko and other more recent variants. Looking at my collection of recently burned Puppy LiveCDs, I see :

Slacko 5.2.9
Slacko 5.3
Lupu 5.2.8_K3.0.7
Luci 5.29
Wary 5.2

My computing requirements are fairly modest:

1. ability to run in RAM booting from LiveCD on two PCs, a Toshiba Satellite A500 -02F and an Intel D865GLC

2. support for USB3 on an expresscard bus adapter

3. support for a 3TB external drive (partitioned down to 2TB/1TB) on either USB2 or USB3 ports

4. support for the two PCs’ ethernet hardware (to enable internet access)

5. support for X-Fprot

6. ability to install and run UFRaw and RAWStudio

7. ability to play mp4 and flv files

Only lupu 5.2.8 is able to meet all of these needs, although its USB3 support is rather shaky.

Some of the other versions listed above cannot recognize the ethernet adapter/chip on either of my PCs, making internet access impossible

others are unable to mount the 3TB drive except in read only mode, reporting an issue with the ntfs filesystem.

Slacko 5.3, has a tab for XFprot, but the app doesn’t work. I went online and downloaded and installed xfprot again via petget, and it reported sucess. But when I tried to update the sigs file, I got an error message:

/tmp/xterm_simulate_hold.sh: Line2 null: command not found

I couldn’t find any listing in an updated petget for packages to install UFRaw or RAWStudio

Most importantly, either the Expresscard slot or USB3 doesn’t work at all under Slacko 5.3. Neither the 3TB drive nor a USB3 card reader are detected by pmount on the USB3 port. When plugged into the USB2 port, both pop up an icon immediately and are fully accessible (ie., no ntfs problem report, no inability to write to the media).

Slacko 5.3‘s complete failure with Expresscardbus/USB3 is remarkable in that the Expresscard/USB3 port works perfectly under Slacko 5.29.6. That is, both the 3TB drive and the card reader pop up an icon automatically and are fully accessible (no ntfs file problem report). Not really surprising to veteran users of Puppy - just the familiar one step forward, two steps back dance...

Lupu 5.2.8‘s support of USB 3 is far from ideal, however. Sometimes it works only if everything is plugged in at bootup. Rarely, one can successfully change ports (between USB ports 1 and 2 or between USB2 and USB3).

Sometimes the 3TB drive is reported by pmount to have an ntfs problem, and is mounted read-only, and when this happens, sometimes unmounting, changing ports, and remounting several times results in the drive being fully mountable. More often, such un- and remounting results in not being able to remount the drive at all again on either USB2 or USB3. However, Lupu 5.2.8 (with USB3 support installed) never fails to at least detect devices on the USB3 port and to mount them (at least initially), if only in read only mode.

So the best kludge I’m currently able to devise for my Puppy needs is to boot with Slacko 5.29.6 when I need to use USB3, and to use Lupu 5.2.8 for everything else.

Why this striking loss of functionality between Slacko 5.29.6 and Slacko 5.3, which I've reported previously, appears to be of absolutely no interest to Barry and Co. remains a profound mystery to me. But many times in the past I've noted similar indifference to significant functionality problems that would seem to be easily identifiable and correctable .

My best guess is that Puppydom's primary concerns of herding and grooming cats are so demanding that there just isn't enough time, energy and attention left for fixing coding errors that don't affect the coders personally.
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#753 Post by mavrothal »

playdayz wrote:
lupu_devx_528-3.sfs is missing /usr/share/libtool/config/config.guess, thus "standard" compiling fails.
As far as I remember this was not the case in lupu_devx_528.sfs.
mavrothal, /usr/share/libtool/config/config.guess is not in the original lupu_devx_528. I compile with the 3 version often, so i am not sure about this. I often see config.guess in the source folder of a program to compile???
True, unless they are using autogen.sh/autoreconf.
Just in case, the Ubuntu libtool package has these as symlinks to files provided by the autotools-dev package, thus probably missed.
Installing from the ubuntu repo and moving or symlinking them, works fine.
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#754 Post by ASRI éducation »

otropogo wrote:... use Lupu 5.2.8 for everything else...
I agree.
For me, Lupu 5.2.8 is the version of Puppy I appreciate most.

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#755 Post by bigpup »

Sound issue multiple sound devices.

/etc/init.d/alsa

This has changed since Lucid 525.

In Lucid 525 it is alsa

In Lucid 528 it is 10alsa

It is very different in each.

From the 10alsa it has this entry.
#110506 /usr/sbin/alsaconf has 'restart' option, might need to reprobe modules. for now, just 'start|restart'.

case "$1" in
start|restart) #110506
I wonder if this should just be restart.

That is what the alsa documentation says to do.
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