Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012

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playdayz · #646 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 17 Nov 2011, 22:47

Pmusic 2.2.2 update installed,works great

Good news. Thanks. If anyone is wondering, it is firm now: There is the Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8 and there is the Pmusic Upgrade. That's all for a while.

Brown Mouse · #647 Post by **Brown Mouse** » Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:52

Playdayz

I'm not sure if this has been flagged up yet or whether it's only a problem I'm seeing.I don't even know at what point it occurred either so I cant be of much help there.
When opening Gnome-mplayer 1.0.4,from the menu>file tab there was always a choice to 'Open Audio CD'.That no longer appears and I'm also unable to add an audio cd(should I so wish) even by using 'file>open folder'option.However,if I roll back to version 0.9.9.2,from menu file>disc>open Audio cd option is present.

playdayz · #648 Post by **playdayz** » Fri 18 Nov 2011, 23:04

When opening Gnome-mplayer 1.0.4,from the menu>file tab there was always a choice to 'Open Audio CD'.That no longer appears and I'm also unable to add an audio cd(should I so wish) even by using 'file>open folder'option.However,if I roll back to version 0.9.9.2,from menu file>disc>open Audio cd option is present.

Brown Mouse, Yes, this was a tradeoff. Version 1.0.4 had some improvements but it had a bug that prevented audio CD playback. Pmusic is now the default CD player if you click the CD, or pcd if you don't have the Pmusic Upgrade installed--CD Player/Ripper from the menu.
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playdayz · #649 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 01:48

Lupufy Slacko

If you like some features of Lucid that are not present in Slacko then you might find Lupufy Slacko interesting. It lists most of the Utilities that are in Lucid but not Slacko individually with links to their thread so they can be installed individually. There is also a lupufy-slacko all-in-one pet that installs them, uh, all in one.

Lupufy Slacko -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73580

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Questions concerning the loss of sound after it has worked for a while:

1. Does this only happen on usb installs?

2. Does it happen on an install of lupu-528.iso with no updates or other programs installed?

3. Does it happen after Instant Update 002 is installed?

4. Does it happen on Three-Headed Dog?

aarf · #650 Post by **aarf** » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 07:01

playdayz there is a setting in 528 which stops windows going through the top of the screen when dragged by their title bar. can you tell me what it is? racy and slacko have a different setting and in them, when i do the same drag to the top of the screen, the window disappears and comes up hidden below the bottom tray. any ideas? thanks
openbox vs jwm? so i need to do openbox in racy-slacko?
edit ok fixed racy

playdayz · #651 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 16:28

playdayz there is a setting in 528 which stops windows going through the top of the screen when dragged by their title bar. can you tell me what it is? racy and slacko have a different setting and in them, when i do the same drag to the top of the screen, the window disappears and comes up hidden below the bottom tray. any ideas? thanks
openbox vs jwm?

Yes aarf, it looks like openbox vs jwm to me, In 5.2.8 I just tested and the window stopped at the top in openbox, but when I changed to jwm it went right through the roof

However, the openbox that is in the Slacko repo is not configured by default exactly the same as the one in Lucid 5.2.8.

Did you install lupufy-slacko into racy? If so, did it work OK? I would think it probably would, but I haven't tested that. Thanks.

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Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8 with USB Installs

It appears that Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8 may cause a problem with sound disappearing in some USB installs. Therefore if you install to a USB drive or flash disk, or if you save files on a USB drive or flash disk, it is recommended that you do one of these three things: 1) do not install Instant Update 002; 21) use the Instant Update 002a; Instant Update 002a -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Insta ... 8-002a.pet 3) use Three-Headed Dog. For a USB install with all of the latest updates, you might wish to try Three-Headed Dog which is based on Lucid 5.2.8 but with the newer 2.6.37.6 kernel from Slacko. Three-Headed Dog is not an update of Lucid 5.2.8 so you would need to start from scratch. -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736 If you are already using Instant Update 002 with no problems, then do nothing.
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aarf · #652 Post by **aarf** » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 17:21

playdayz wrote:
playdayz there is a setting in 528 which stops windows going through the top of the screen when dragged by their title bar. can you tell me what it is? racy and slacko have a different setting and in them, when i do the same drag to the top of the screen, the window disappears and comes up hidden below the bottom tray. any ideas? thanks
openbox vs jwm?
Yes aarf, it looks like openbox vs jwm to me, In 5.2.8 I just tested and the window stopped at the top in openbox, but when I changed to jwm it went right through the roof However, the openbox that is in the Slacko repo is not configured by default exactly the same as the one in Lucid 5.2.8.

Did you install lupufy-slacko into racy? If so, did it work OK? I would think it probably would, but I haven't tested that. Thanks.

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did it work? i'd say yes. have openbox and fbpanel running in racy. title dragged windows are stopping at the top of the screen and not disappearing. can push windows higher if i use non-title alt+drag as in jwm.
other things from lupufy are there and at quick test seem to work.
for this bit

Openbox is available in the Slacko PPM as fbpanel and obconf. Use Menu -> Desktop -> WM Switcher after install to select Openbox

needs to use at prompt

Code: Select all

#startx openbox

may have to start

Code: Select all

#fbpanel

only once.

because Menu -> Desktop -> WM Switcher isnt there in racy.
above image is the pets installed in racy.
also installed separately PupSnap-1.6.1_Scrot-0.8_32Bit.pet to do screenshots

playdayz · #653 Post by **playdayz** » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 17:22

Chromium 17 for Lucid

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... -Lucid.pet

Chromium is the Open Source developmental basis of Google Chrome and Srware Iron. Chromium runs 2 or 3 version numbers ahead of the other two.

Google Chrome 15 -> ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... -Lucid.pet

Iron 15 -> ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... -Lucid.pet

Iron is produced by Srware, which claims to remove some components that might compromise privacy. Chrome vs. Iron -> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srwar ... s_iron.php

Firefox 8.0 for Lucid -> ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... -Lucid.pet

The screenshot is the results of the Peacekeeper browser benchmark in Lucid 5.2.8. Higher is better. The Chrome result is for Chromium 17--Google Chrome and Srware Iron score about the same as Chromium and Seamonkey scores about the same as Firefox.

Please remember to update this program for installing Flashplayer. Because Adobe has started moving the flashplayer binary the older programs are out of date. Flashplayer changes so often now that one might run this program every few weeks to make sure to have the current version. -> ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... ll-0.1.pet

playdayz · #654 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 29 Nov 2011, 19:30

There is an updated version of the Lucid 5.2.8 ISO now posted in the first message of this thread. It contains all current updates so nothing else is necessary.

If you are using Lucid 5.2.8 with Instant Update 002 and have no problems, then you don't need the new ISO. You should use the new ISO for new installs.

If you had trouble with Instant Update 002 then you should consider starting over with the new ISO. A few people had trouble with sound disappearing after Installing IU 002. I *believe* the case of the disappearing sound in Instant Update 002 was because of a problem with USB. The new ISO reverts the components of IU 002 that could have caused a USB problem--for the same reason Three-Headed Dog should not have the problem.

ferro10n · #655 Post by **ferro10n** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 04:10

playdayz wrote:A few people had trouble with sound disappearing after Installing IU 002. I *believe* the case of the disappearing sound in Instant Update 002 was because of a problem with USB.

playdayz,

I have used Lucid 5.28 for a week including IU 002 without losing sound. I discovered that my liveCD+USB install loses sound only when I copy the main SFS (lupu_5xx.sfs) to my flashdrive so that it's loaded from there. I've been trying to let you know but as you know the main forum was down for a few days and I didn't see you at puppylinux.info

playdayz · #656 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 04:21

I have used Lucid 5.28 for a week including IU 002 without losing sound. I discovered that my liveCD+USB install loses sound only when I copy the main SFS (lupu_5xx.sfs) to my flashdrive so that it's loaded from there

Thanks ferro10n, Something like that is what I have come to suspect. The new ISO does not have some of the changes that in IU 002 *might* have caused the problem with usb installs. Neither does Three-Headed Dog, so I am hopeful that they might not have the problem. In fact I have gotten one report that Three-Headed Dog does not have the problem. Plus, you have discovered another way to avoid it.

Brown Mouse · #657 Post by **Brown Mouse** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:28

I'm having problems with '528' not being able to recognise a new 'Nikon coolpix L23' camera as a usb device.It doesn't see it in 'Pmount' either.I've tried also from 'gtkam' but this particular model is not listed.
However,'Pupcamera' from within 'Slacko 530' identifies it correctly and it seems to work fine from there.
Is there anything I could install to 528 that may help?

Thanks

nooby · #658 Post by **nooby** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:41

playdayz thanks for the updates and for the Chrome and FF pets.

So Chrome is that much better.
How do you as user notice that it is better?
I mean apart from handling bookmarks differently?

nooby · #659 Post by **nooby** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:46

I should start a new thread about another reason for losing sound
because I don't trust it was Lupu 528 but an old lupu513 that pemasu
made into Snowpup5 but I hope it is proper to ask here.

could that losing sound problem have been with us since Lupu513
because I installed Snowpup which use sfs513 and the sound driver or module or whatever seems gone no loudspeaker icon in the lower right corner on a AMD Atlon Desktop and I did have sound in WinXP on it.

I need winXP for Smartphone update of SonyEricson Experia x10 mini pro
because it has too old install to do wifi without SIM card.
Will the sound card get back if I start up winxp again?

I guess the sensible thing would be to dl the latest version of 528 III
and try that one first and not start up snow5 in case that one shut down
the Sound card?

ETP · #660 Post by **ETP** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 09:27

playdayz wrote:

There is an updated version of the Lucid 5.2.8 ISO now posted in the first message of this thread.

Many thanks for this update. You may wish to add the MD5 to the md5sums.txt file up on ibiblio as it only currently exists on page 1 of this thread.
It is hard to see how this release of Lucid could be improved upon & the clamour to lupify Slacko shows just how well received it has been.

Tasgarth · #661 Post by **Tasgarth** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 12:39

Brown Mouse wrote:

I'm having problems with '528' not being able to recognise a new 'Nikon coolpix L23' camera as a usb device.

Remove the flash card from your camera and play it directly on your PC. By putting it in an appropriate USB flash drive.
I always did that with my Nikon camera.

ICPUG · #662 Post by **ICPUG** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 12:56

ETP wrote:It is hard to see how this release of Lucid could be improved upon & the clamour to lupify Slacko shows just how well received it has been.

+1 to that - although one way Lupu can be improved is to make it work with hardware which it currently does not work with. That would require continuous maintenance and will not happen.

The way Puppy development works is that a new developer comes along with their take on things - so Slacko will work better on Intel 2nd gen, Core processors for example.

It irritates me when we have to introduce a Lupify pet for Slacko. In particular we spent years getting a control panel with all the configuration options in one place in Puppy. Thanks to Radky and Playdayz taking his work up it finally appeared in Lupu. Along comes Slacko and it is gone again!

This is the way of Puppy development - mostly good - but not perfect.

Sylvander · #663 Post by **Sylvander** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 16:56

Lupu-528 sound problem:
SOLVED by update 003!

[Seems so for me anyway]

1. I've pretty much finished setting up a NEW INSTALL by burning Lupu-528.003.iso to a CD-RW, and making a new pupsave in a folder on an ext3 partition on my 2nd internal HDD.

Small problems overcome/fixed:
(a) It wouldn't make a pupsave at 1st shutdown.

So I installed pupsaveconfig, and used that to make a pupsave ["lupusave"] file.

(b) Also experienced a temporary glitch with Pwidgets.
Big rotary RAM & CPU meters [obscuring the partition icons] appeared at bottom of the desktop.
I fiddled with Pwidgets, and they disappeared.

2. Everything is looking good and working well, so far as I can see this far.
Loudspeaker icon remains in the tray at bottom right, and Retrovol seems to work, although config settings appear to revert rather than staying as set.
Perhaps I failed to "Save the session" after making the config changes; will watch that.

3. Lupu is so good, I'm determined to keep working on it to get it working to perfection.
This has been [and I hope will continue to be for some time] my number-1 Puppy.
As usual, I changed the isolinux.cfg file on the iso so "pmedia=ataflash", to make the pupsave on the internal HDD be treated as though a pupsave on a Flash Drive.
It's working to perfection, with no resulting sound problem.

Sylvander · #664 Post by **Sylvander** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 20:00

Spoke too soon!

How come I reboot multiple times, and the speaker icon remains in place...
Then I post saying all is well, and reboot and it's GONE!

playdayz · #665 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 20:49

So Chrome is that much better.
How do you as user notice that it is better?

Nooby, i wouldn't say necessarily better, but I would say "faster." I just notice that it starts faster and it renders pages faster. Faster is not the only important thing, but IMHO it is a big factor in usability. I personally use Iron rather than Chrome.

And nooby, yes, the sound issue could have been long term, but all at once otropogo, ferro10n, and Sylvander ran into it after the Update 002 was released.

(a) It wouldn't make a pupsave at 1st shutdown

Sylvander, I personally think that the sound problem has something to do with usb. I don't know what exaclty though and I could be wrong. I am very disappointed that the problem appeared with the lupu-528.003.iso. I also don't know how it could work for multiple reboots and then go bad. ferro10n says it only happens if he copies the lupu-528.sfs file to the usb disk. The symptoms could be explained if for some reason Lucid cannot find the sound driver when it boots.

If it happens with lupu-528.003.iso I doubt that it will ever be fixed. I don't think it has been reported with Three-Headed Dog, but fewer people use that. otropogo reported that he did not have the problem with 3HD. It *might* be something else you did right before it broke??? The fact that it wouldn't make the pupsave on first boot is suspicious. Do you use any other Puppy enough that the problem might appear? I wonder if it could be that fancy thing you do with the save file? Could you not do that and see what happens? Are you sure that there was no lupu_528.sfs on the disk, even inside a directory? You might refrain from adding any other pets until it has booted OK for a few days, or 10 times in a row or something. You might consider using Slacko with the lupufy pets.

the clamour to lupify Slacko

ETP and ICPUG, Well, I haven't heard any clamour

But people could install the lupufy-slacko pet or they could install radky's PupControl by itself. Slacko is purposefully built very close to the Woof template which should make debugging easier, and also implementing Woof enhancements. I find that using Slacko with the 3 lupufy pets is virtually indistinguishable from using Lupu.

PupControl -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 18&t=61961

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