How Puppy is installed should not have an effect, other than make sure there is enough space in the save file for Stelarium to download and install. It will use 2 to 3 times it's size in installing, because it un-compresses and then installs.Volhout wrote: And I will try a frugal install. Maybe there is a difference.
Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012
Re: Stellarium
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Been trying out Lupu-528 005. Very fine work from Micko and the others.
I always keep coming back to this puppy version - it's so pleasant on my system here.
As with other current-series Puppys, this version doesn't like my ATI Radeon 6450 video card (neither do the bigger Linuces).
There appears to be a problem with the open-source Radeon driver as used in conjunction with various kernel versions - in other words the open source ATI Radeon Driver is broken apparently. The propietary ATI FGLRX pet does not work either.
The workaround was to download the propriertary software from the ATI website, install the kernel source and compile it. This worked OK.
Compiz is working fine with XFCE4.
A minor wish is that I cannot seem to be able to configure the XFCE menu to reflect the normal JWM menu. This would make the menu system correspond more to the fashion to which I'm used. Any tricks I'm missing here?
I always keep coming back to this puppy version - it's so pleasant on my system here.
As with other current-series Puppys, this version doesn't like my ATI Radeon 6450 video card (neither do the bigger Linuces).
There appears to be a problem with the open-source Radeon driver as used in conjunction with various kernel versions - in other words the open source ATI Radeon Driver is broken apparently. The propietary ATI FGLRX pet does not work either.
The workaround was to download the propriertary software from the ATI website, install the kernel source and compile it. This worked OK.
Compiz is working fine with XFCE4.
A minor wish is that I cannot seem to be able to configure the XFCE menu to reflect the normal JWM menu. This would make the menu system correspond more to the fashion to which I'm used. Any tricks I'm missing here?
Life is too short to spend it in front of a computer
Stellarium
@Bigpup,
Tried a lupulibre frugal install in a virgin system (cleaned the partition).
Installed only Xorg High 1.1 pet from ibiblio lucid packages.
Verified that OpenGL is active.
Used the Stellarium SFS PlayDayz listed 20 posts back. Behaves the same. Crashes X.
Question: I noticed the Xorg High 1.1 pet is from June 2010. That is 1 month after release of Ubuntu Lucid. 528 is not puppy 501 anymore. We are 2 years down the road. Is there a more recent build ?? Maybe this one is outdated becuase of all the changes since mid 2010.
Regards,
Volhout
P.S. after X crashes due to Stellarium, my system needs a reboot. Even poweroff does not work anymore. poweroff forces a reboot. It feels like this goes deep....
Tried a lupulibre frugal install in a virgin system (cleaned the partition).
Installed only Xorg High 1.1 pet from ibiblio lucid packages.
Verified that OpenGL is active.
Used the Stellarium SFS PlayDayz listed 20 posts back. Behaves the same. Crashes X.
Question: I noticed the Xorg High 1.1 pet is from June 2010. That is 1 month after release of Ubuntu Lucid. 528 is not puppy 501 anymore. We are 2 years down the road. Is there a more recent build ?? Maybe this one is outdated becuase of all the changes since mid 2010.
Regards,
Volhout
P.S. after X crashes due to Stellarium, my system needs a reboot. Even poweroff does not work anymore. poweroff forces a reboot. It feels like this goes deep....
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If anyone else needs an up-to-date ATI catalyst driver, Speedyluck posted a Lupu 528 PET for catalyst 12.3 in this thread:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77354
Perhaps Playdayz could add it to the repo.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77354
Perhaps Playdayz could add it to the repo.
Uploaded to the Lucid repo. Thanks LateAdopter and Speedyluck. Update the Lupu PPM by Quickpet -> More Pets -> Update Lupu PPM.up-to-date ATI catalyst driver 12.3
Xorg is something that hasn't been changed in Lucid and almost certainly will not be changed, and it is definitely old. This is the one of the biggest weaknesses of Lucid. It is the reason tronkel above had trouble with his ati 6450, which is newer than the xserver. To my knowledge we never had a proprietary driver for intel video. Since Stellarium is working for me on the same version of Lupu Libre you are using it does seem that the problem may have to do with the video driver. Trying to update xorg would be a huge can of worms that would take more time than I have, and there are several new Puppies with newer xorg, so I have trouble justifying the time it would take. I do see a Lucid Update of the xserver though, but I would estimate the chance of help as very small. I have asked pemasu if he has a Stellarium.I noticed the Xorg High 1.1 pet is from June 2010. That is 1 month after release of Ubuntu Lucid. 528 is not puppy 501 anymore. We are 2 years down the road. Is there a more recent build ?? Maybe this one is outdated becuase of all the changes since mid 2010.
You might ask stu90 who made the orignal pet and sfs if he has any ideas.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 05&t=59277
Downloaded vlc-1.1.7.-full-lucid52 from PPM.
It seems to work OK, but did get this message after the install check.
Problem?
It seems to work OK, but did get this message after the install check.
Problem?
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The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Volhout,
What does Quickpet->file->report video say your video card is?
What does Quickpet->file->report video say your video card is?
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
@bigpup: it is an intel 82845G grahics chip. The PC is 5+ years old compac evo desktop, so it should be supported by lucid drivers.
I'll try Stellarium on a different puppy (I have Slacko 3.2.7.3 and Racy 5.3). Both have newer kernels.
Thanks for your help... (PlayDayz, first I read your comment I started to realize it may be an enormous task, so forget about it....)
I'll try Stellarium on a different puppy (I have Slacko 3.2.7.3 and Racy 5.3). Both have newer kernels.
Thanks for your help... (PlayDayz, first I read your comment I started to realize it may be an enormous task, so forget about it....)
Someone want to try and get a good Intel video driver from this.
The glove is thrown down!
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
The glove is thrown down!
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
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The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
If you run xorgwizard there are some Intel driver options if you select choose.Volhout wrote:@bigpup: it is an intel 82845G grahics chip. The PC is 5+ years old compac evo desktop, so it should be supported by lucid drivers.
Run test in xorgwizard to see what works.
You could try them and see what you get.
I would try on a fresh install and not have Xorg-High installed.
May still need Xorg-High to get openGL.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
did fresh frugal instal lupu plus to same hp laptop.
wl recognized eth1 by sns but not able to make the connection.
connection wizard easily made connection on this troublesome
Broadcom Corporation BCM4313.
This is the opposite of yesterdays install lupulibre where
connection wizard failed and sns made the connection.
seems odd and cannot remember how prior install of lupu plus
went so attached file.
wl recognized eth1 by sns but not able to make the connection.
connection wizard easily made connection on this troublesome
Broadcom Corporation BCM4313.
This is the opposite of yesterdays install lupulibre where
connection wizard failed and sns made the connection.
seems odd and cannot remember how prior install of lupu plus
went so attached file.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 372#619372About Stellarium: the SFS behaves identical to the 1.10.6 pet. It brings up the stellatium logo, then crashes X to terminal. You can type reboot to restart the PC. Please find attached stellarium log file. It seems it destroys QProcess ... does that ring a bell ?
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gcmartin
great LibreOffice integration with the Desktop
This is an FYI!
"And, I noticed a phenomenon that I find interesting, at best. Playdayz's PUP528R5's LibreOffice version is a performance Superstar as compared with taking his base version and adding LibreOffice SFS or PET to it. In fact, it rivals TaZoC implementaion.
Wish I could explain why the integration has leapfroged a performance increase."
Hope this helps
"And, I noticed a phenomenon that I find interesting, at best. Playdayz's PUP528R5's LibreOffice version is a performance Superstar as compared with taking his base version and adding LibreOffice SFS or PET to it. In fact, it rivals TaZoC implementaion.
Wish I could explain why the integration has leapfroged a performance increase."
Hope this helps
Libre Office is running from ram. Also --nologo makes it startup slightly faster, or at least seem to. Make sure to use the doc-type-LibO-set-1.pet for best integration.Wish I could explain why the integration has leapfroged a performance increase."
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Don't know what will come of it, but it boots and connects, and reboots and creates and uses a pupsave.
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My advice to you, playdayz: make a x86_64 flavor of this kernel.
This has five benefits:
- Access to 4 GB (or more) RAM, without the PAE issues (e.g instability under certain circumstances).
- The ability to run x86_64 binaries (e.g compile x86_64 stuff from a chroot environment).
- The performance boost of 64-bit computing - e.g some heavy computations (such as compression) implemented in kernel mode are now faster.
- Same userland - no need to recompile anything or create a separate package repository, as with i486/i686 switching.
- Dual-kernel ISOs with two identical kernels - one for 64-bit machines and another for 32-bit ones - it's quite cool.
This has five benefits:
- Access to 4 GB (or more) RAM, without the PAE issues (e.g instability under certain circumstances).
- The ability to run x86_64 binaries (e.g compile x86_64 stuff from a chroot environment).
- The performance boost of 64-bit computing - e.g some heavy computations (such as compression) implemented in kernel mode are now faster.
- Same userland - no need to recompile anything or create a separate package repository, as with i486/i686 switching.
- Dual-kernel ISOs with two identical kernels - one for 64-bit machines and another for 32-bit ones - it's quite cool.
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@Playdayz you shared
Anyway, looking forward .....
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There is one issue that I hope my statement clarifies. PAE doesn't have any more of an instability issue than "normal" or the "4GB only" 32bit kernels present. It, like the others 32bit mentioned, is stable.
The PROBLEM with PAE is that there are a very few CPUs manufactured by Intel and others which (for their cost considerations) did NOT include the PAE hardware. And, some BIOSes were also shipped with a settings that could also have impacted PAE use. But, for the most part, this is a ratity given the 15 years PAE has been built-into CPUs.
Thus, if you can, run 64bit! If you cannot, use 32bit PAE as it affords use of ALL of the RAM you can throw at it (assuming no CPU issues - which you will find out almost immediately), Lastly 32bit non-PAE runs just as fast (reviewing performance measurements already done by both vendors (intel and AMD) as well as independent test reports. PAE merely shines in Puppy which run RAM based because the filesystem is ALL of your RAM.
Hope this helps
Is this a "pre-announcment"? or a reference to someone else's work (i'e' Pemasu)?TEASER
Anyway, looking forward .....
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@Iguleder shares these great Benefits. LightHouse64 has demonstrated these.Iguleder wrote:My advice to you, playdayz: make a x86_64 flavor of this kernel.
This has five benefits:
- Access to 4 GB (or more) RAM, without the PAE issues (e.g instability under certain circumstances).
- The ability to run x86_64 binaries (e.g compile x86_64 stuff from a chroot environment).
- The performance boost of 64-bit computing - e.g some heavy computations (such as compression) implemented in kernel mode are now faster.
- Same userland - no need to recompile anything or create a separate package repository, as with i486/i686 switching.
- Dual-kernel ISOs with two identical kernels - one for 64-bit machines and another for 32-bit ones - it's quite cool.
There is one issue that I hope my statement clarifies. PAE doesn't have any more of an instability issue than "normal" or the "4GB only" 32bit kernels present. It, like the others 32bit mentioned, is stable.
The PROBLEM with PAE is that there are a very few CPUs manufactured by Intel and others which (for their cost considerations) did NOT include the PAE hardware. And, some BIOSes were also shipped with a settings that could also have impacted PAE use. But, for the most part, this is a ratity given the 15 years PAE has been built-into CPUs.
Thus, if you can, run 64bit! If you cannot, use 32bit PAE as it affords use of ALL of the RAM you can throw at it (assuming no CPU issues - which you will find out almost immediately), Lastly 32bit non-PAE runs just as fast (reviewing performance measurements already done by both vendors (intel and AMD) as well as independent test reports. PAE merely shines in Puppy which run RAM based because the filesystem is ALL of your RAM.
Hope this helps
I don't think so. Sometimes PPM misses dependencies that are really there. If it works it's OK. There is also a 1.1.10. This vlc 2.0 is for me working in quick testing -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76271Downloaded vlc-1.1.7.-full-lucid52 from PPM.
It seems to work OK, but did get this message after the install check.
Problem?
jim3630 wrote:did fresh frugal instal lupu plus to same hp laptop.
wl recognized eth1 by sns but not able to make the connection.
connection wizard easily made connection on this troublesome
Broadcom Corporation BCM4313.
This is the opposite of yesterdays install lupulibre where
connection wizard failed and sns made the connection.
seems odd and cannot remember how prior install of lupu plus
went so attached file.
- 1. Lupuplus has the older wl driver which uses eth1 and gives you trouble.
2. With lupulibre, you installed the 2 packages that add support for both the old and a newer version of the wl driver (which appears to successfully support your device), but did not do that when you ran lupuplus.
Richard
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