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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar 2012, 15:29    Post_subject: Re: Phantom Partitions  

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar 2012, 16:05    Post_subject: rpm/ epel repositories for Puppy?  

Have been experimenting with CentOS 6.2 on my USB3.0 laptop booting from a USBflash installation on a 2GB thumb drive.

And after asking persistently on the CentOS6 forum for help in obtaining ntfs read-write capability (neither is available natively in CentOS6) was eventually offered fairly simple directions (after the usual stern lecture and extended study list) on achieving this:

1.
Code:
install epel-release


2.
Code:
yum install ntfs-3g


3.
Code:
yum install ntfsprogs ntfsprogs-gnomevfs


at each command, CentOS 6.2 went online, searched and tested the nearest repositories (sfu and telus) for availability and speed, chose the one to use, downloaded the package, installed it (with pauses for user confirmation), and at the end of the sequence, allowed me to mount my 3TB Goflex desktop drive with full read-write access on the USB3.0 port.

Is there any chance one of the Puppy versions could tap into this package management system?

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar 2012, 22:34    Post_subject: Re: strange partition behaviour  

otropogo wrote:
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FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylind


Partview reports only one partition for the 0 drive - "sda3"

Gparted (in lupu) does nothing when called from the start menu. This is the case whether asking it to review sda or sdb.

3. When booting from the Utilex rescue disk and running PartedMagic, both drives are scanned, no errors reported. And I was able to "successfully" delete two partitions, create a new ntfs partition, and increase the size of the remaining one "sda3" without apparent loss of data or other issues.

However, when I tried to install Win2K to the new ntfs partition at the beginning of hdd0/sda, it reported that the partition was "unformatted or damaged". More disturbingly, it also reported all of the fat32 partitions on both hard drives with the same words, and refuses to proceed with the installation unless I allow both drives to be fdisked....

(actually, when both drives are powered up, and I try to install to hdd0/sda, it demands permission to fdisk drive "D:" , its name for partition sdb2. When I remove sda, and try to install to unallocated space in sdb, it demands to fdisk drive "C:". The issue is complicated by the fact that it seems to be confused by the two drives, which are the same model, when both are present, listing both of them as primary drive 0 on Channel 0, IIRC. I'm not keen on experimenting with my data at stake, so this plan is on hold for now)


I haven't a clue why all the different partition managers are giving contradictory info, nor why gparted won't run. Maybe ask some of the big boys? I've had zero troubles with gparted for half a decade.

I recommend you back up your valuable data, either on at least two other HDDs or two sets of archive-quality DVDs. This is a good idea anytime but I consider it mandatory before installing OSs or editing partitions.

Windows installers (or any others I know about) won't install to unallocated space; they need a partition in place. Some will partition the space with permission, some will repartition the entire drive without asking, some must have a partition in place before the installer starts.

If the Win2k installer is confused by the two near-identical drives, simply remove one beforehand, and reinstall it later. Simply unplugging it will do the trick if you're not screwdriver-friendly. You already found out how to redo the desktop icons in Puppy; If Windows doesn't do it automatically there is an admin tool called "drive manager" that will get Windows to recognize a new drive.

Lots of luck!
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 00:06    Post_subject: Re: strange partition behaviour  

kevin bowers wrote:
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Windows installers (or any others I know about) won't install to unallocated space; they need a partition in place. Some will partition the space with permission, some will repartition the entire drive without asking, some must have a partition in place before the installer starts.

If the Win2k installer is confused by the two near-identical drives, simply remove one beforehand, and reinstall it later. Simply unplugging it will do the trick if you're not screwdriver-friendly. You already found out how to redo the desktop icons in Puppy; If Windows doesn't do it automatically there is an admin tool called "drive manager" that will get Windows to recognize a new drive.

Lots of luck!


I've got two Win2K reference books here that touch on installation issues (two more don't even mention installation). One actually mentions Partitioning, and even recommends partitioning and formatting beforehand with Partition Magic (which has never worked for me, but I do still have a disk around).

I may give that a try, and maybe Ranish, if PM doesn't work. It may be that the MBR is not to Win2K's liking, and needs to be replaced, which Ranish can sometimes accomplish.

I've already tried your second suggestion. It made no difference, except, as I mentioned IIRC, it then wanted to fdisk the C: drive. So maybe it has something against only Drive 1, not Drive0. But I don't want to risk it.

I also don't want to back up 160GB of stuff over USB2.0, never mind burning it to DVD! In the latter case, I might as well just bury it, as I'll never find time to sort it out again.



Well, let's see. realistic USB2.0 throughput is probably an average of 2MB/sec or 7GB per hour (unless you're coping thousands of small files, when it can easily sink to 700KB/s). So 160GB would take some 23 hours to copy.

Maybe I'll try it with just the one drive's 90GB of data, and remove the other drive for the install attempt. But it won't be today or tomorrow.

BTW, the desktop scheme didn't do a complete job. My sole partition on sda is still numbered "3" on both the desktop and in Pmount. Which doesn't make sense to me.

But then, I also miss MUT's ability (in earlier Puppies, not anymore) to display the size of the swap file. Pmount doesn't show it at all.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 01:10    Post_subject:  

Brown Mouse wrote:
bigpup wrote:

Pmusic 2.4.4-1
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31206



I've updated Pmusic from 2.30 to 2.4.4-1 but now when I launch a music cd I don't get any track information(apart form the no.) or album artwork as before.
Anyone else see this?

Yes, I am seeing this too.
This may not be a good update, but only way to know is try it.

I am seeing other problems.
Like change the view, and there is no way to change back, that I can find, on some of the optional views.
I am going to post about this on the Pmusic topic.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 01:42    Post_subject:  

otropogo wrote:
Today I removed two partitions from one drive of my Puppy system. They were named sda1 and sda5, originally from a Windows partitioning system.


I think your problems started because you removed the first partition on the hard drive sda1.
That probably screwed up the partition table and so, explains why partition programs are giving strange output.
Gparted, in Puppy, is a little conservative on what it will do.
Parted Magic should be more aggressive.

Normally, partitions follow a logical progression of, start at the beginning, of a hard drive, and go towards the end. You deleted the beginning partition and threw everything off.

Resizing and deleting of partitions, always works best, if you start at the end and work towards the beginning of the drive.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 04:46    Post_subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Brown Mouse wrote:
bigpup wrote:

Pmusic 2.4.4-1
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31206



I've updated Pmusic from 2.30 to 2.4.4-1 but now when I launch a music cd I don't get any track information(apart form the no.) or album artwork as before.
Anyone else see this?

Yes, I am seeing this too.
This may not be a good update, but only way to know is try it.

I am seeing other problems.
Like change the view, and there is no way to change back, that I can find, on some of the optional views.
I am going to post about tT
his on the Pmusic topic.

Thanks for the confirmation.I have reverted to 2.30 for the time being.
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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 09:32    Post_subject:  

In http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02740 Barry says the following:

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The best way to update a puplet is to build from latest Woof. Wary, Racy, Slacko, and some others, are doing this. A version upgrade doesn't change what it is, a Slacko based on Slackware 13.37 remains as that.

Lucid is in a different category as it forked from Woof sometime ago. Lucid upgrades do not sync with the official Woof. Instead, Lucid maintainers may, if they wish, pull out whatever improvements in Woof that they want.


Could Playdayz explain in simple words a non-Woof user can understand how Lucid has forked from woof.

I can understand how it might be based on an old version of woof and therefore not include the latest bugfixes. What I do not understand is how it is forked from woof and what the implications are in doing so.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 11:09    Post_subject:  

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otropogo wrote:
Today I removed two partitions from one drive of my Puppy system. They were named sda1 and sda5, originally from a Windows partitioning system.


I think your problems started because you removed the first partition on the hard drive sda1.
That probably screwed up the partition table and so, explains why partition programs are giving strange output.


I wish it were so. But Gparted has failed to open on lupu 5.2.8 as long as I can remember, certainly months before I removed any partitions.

And I only went to PartedMagic after finding I was unable to access the partitions with both of the lupu partition utilities.



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Resizing and deleting of partitions, always works best, if you start at the end and work towards the beginning of the drive.


Thanks for the tip. But that wasn't possible in this case, as the one partition I needed to preserve was at the end of the drive.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 13:14    Post_subject:  

Laptop Tools by pemasu

If you have a laptop and want the fancy stuff, this looks good
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=563125#563125

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Could Playdayz explain in simple words a non-Woof user can understand how Lucid has forked from woof.

I can understand how it might be based on an old version of woof and therefore not include the latest bugfixes. What I do not understand is how it is forked from woof and what the implications are in doing so.


Lucid 5.2.8 was built with a particular version of Woof--the "last non-zzz" version to be precise. After that Barry made significant changes to some of the basic infrastructure of Woof. I think you state the situation accurately "based on an old version of woof and therefore not include the latest bugfixes." However, some important bugfixes from later versions of Woof have been incorporated into Lucid and there have been many Lucid-specific bugfixes as well.

OK, so why did I stop? Because it was done! I mean, it had to stop somewhere, and the last non-zzz Puppy seemed like a good milestone. Every rebuild with Woof necessitated a significant round of testing and after a year and a half of 4-6 hour days, I had some other things to do. I believe Barry would be happy to see someone start with the latest Woof and the latest Ubuntu and make a brand new Upup.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 16:25    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Updates
 

Updated Programs:

PupApps-1.8
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61962

PupControl-2.0
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61961

PupShutdown-1.8
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56077
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 16:27    Post_subject:
Sub_title: New program
 

New Program:

PupMenu-1.0
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76713
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 16:53    Post_subject: Updated patch-2 for 528 TESTING01a ISO
Sub_title: Patch-1 plus a few more fixes
 

playdayz and testers,
I am attaching cumulative patch-2 for the testing version of lucid pup. It contains everything in patch-1, described here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=607374#607374
plus the following:
    - Comprehensive integration of support for Broadcom bcm43xx wifi devices, including the proprietary (wl) driver, to prevent conflicts and avoid the issue of b43 loading too early. No blacklisting is needed unless you need to force use of the open-source driver (by blacklisting wl).
    - From woof: Universal Installer fixed - Posted on 10 Mar 2012: npierce: some grep operations were wrong in puppyinstaller, if have more than 9 partitions
    - From woof: BootFlash fix - Posted on 11 Mar 2012: BootFlash: 128m 1st partition increased to 256m, to handle bigger puppies
    - From wary 5.2.2: SNS version of rc.network that contains additional logging

Note that my fixes ported from wary and woof exclude the recent updates related to localization, as that support is still in development and might be risky to add to lucid pup until further research is done.

Regarding the Broadcom wifi fix: It is made possible by peebee's testing support -- seemingly endless cycles of install something, run a bunch of reboots, gather diagnostic information, and send them to me. After initially reporting that on some reboots, the previous connection was not being re-established, he worked with me as I tried various experiments. I could not have done this without his help, as he has the hardware that uses the proprietary driver. My thanks go to him.
Richard
lupu-528-TESTING01a-patch-2.pet
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 03:33    Post_subject: USB printer fix solved ?  

Rerwin,

some 6 weeks back I tested the 528TESTING01 iso, and reported a problem with my USB printer/scanner, not detected by CUPS.
Later PlayDayz withdrew the testing iso, and told everyone to continue with 004.

In all previous 52x's (528 tested up to -004) CUPS worked flawless with my printer.

I am not sure if you looked at it, and if you found a fix.

Regards,

Volhout
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 09:45    Post_subject:  

Thank you Playdayz for taking the time to respond to my query.

Everything has to stop somewhere because there are continual developments of everything - woof - applications - desktops(!) - and sometimes these developments go veering off into unknown territory (gnome 3 and unity spring to mind but lucid had to cope with kernel mode setting and the autoconfiguring X-Org!)

The Puppy development model doesn't lend itself to trying to keep up to date with everything like the major distros do. On the other hand, the Puppy development model creates some really great useable distros for all types of user. As someone of the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' brigade I am quite happy to use Lucid until it doesn't work for me!
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