Next Puppy 5.0.2 29 September 2011

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pemasu · #436 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 07:42

JWM F11 bug has been fixed in latest version. Barry Kauler has uploaded recent JWM 505 version pet. I test compiled jwm binary and it fixed the F11 bug.
Barrys package is in ibiblio under pet_packages-common repo. Just feed the last phrase to the google or whatever.

Iguleder · #437 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 08:33

Meet the new Next Puppy desktop

pacer106 · #438 Post by **pacer106** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 12:58

1st off let me start by sayin this is problably the dreaded user error issue I usually have lol.

I installed all the pets to check out the new desktop of next puppy & once installed I drop to x to start openbox.

Tried start openbox did not go then tried xwin openbox it seemed like it was going to work loaded up a black screen with mouse cursor but thats all. I think it locked my keyboard out as well cuz it would not let me ctrl+alt+backspace to get back out.

Then tried with e16 pet xwin e16 & got the same results as with openbox.

Any info on what im probably doing wrong would be great

thanks in advance.

Iguleder · #439 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 13:10

Right-click is your friend. Openbox has no tray/slit/whatever and the wallpaper is not set (feh is your friend, too).

Right-click and see Openbox in all its glory.

pacer106 · #440 Post by **pacer106** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 13:22

I tried right clicking left clicking & every function key I got

1-12 & nothin happened. Thats why i think it disabled my keyboard. As I said its probably user error I will try again later & report back

Iguleder · #441 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 13:56

Make sure the Openbox binary doesn't segfault.

By the way - I'm writing build scripts for the latest Xfce 4.8.x and I also have a plan to try a bleedin' edge git checkout.

Xfce is by far my favorite under majro distros - I used it under Zenwalk, Arch, Ubuntu and many other distros back in my early Linux days. I still have sentiments for it ... so I want to see if I can make a < 120 MB puplet with it

EDIT: still compiling, but almost the whole thing is ready. Take a look at the numbers - very impressive!

40K garcon/garcon-0.1.9.pet
24K garcon/garcon_NLS-0.1.9.pet
36K garcon/garcon_DOC-0.1.9.pet
8.0K garcon/garcon_DEV-0.1.9.pet
4.0K gtk-xfce-engine/gtk-xfce-engine_DEV-2.9.0.pet
24K gtk-xfce-engine/gtk-xfce-engine-2.9.0.pet
100K libwnck/libwnck-2.30.7.pet
308K libwnck/libwnck_NLS-2.30.7.pet
12K libwnck/libwnck_DEV-2.30.7.pet
64K libwnck/libwnck_DOC-2.30.7.pet
8.0K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui_DEV-4.8.0.pet
28K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui_NLS-4.8.0.pet
32K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui_DOC-4.8.0.pet
32K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui-4.8.0.pet
24K libxfce4util/libxfce4util-4.8.2.pet
48K libxfce4util/libxfce4util_NLS-4.8.2.pet
32K libxfce4util/libxfce4util_DOC-4.8.2.pet
8.0K libxfce4util/libxfce4util_DEV-4.8.2.pet
332K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel-4.8.6.pet
304K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_DOC-4.8.6.pet
16K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_DEV-4.8.6.pet
348K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_NLS-4.8.6.pet
60K xfconf/xfconf_NLS-4.8.0.pet
4.0K xfconf/xfconf_DEV-4.8.0.pet
24K xfconf/xfconf_DOC-4.8.0.pet
48K xfconf/xfconf-4.8.0.pet
292K Thunar/Thunar-1.3.0.pet
1.1M Thunar/Thunar_NLS-1.3.0.pet
1.9M Thunar/Thunar_DOC-1.3.0.pet
8.0K Thunar/Thunar_DEV-1.3.0.pet
240K xfce4-settings/xfce4-settings_NLS-4.9.0.pet
116K xfce4-settings/xfce4-settings-4.9.0.pet
456K xfce4-session/xfce4-session-4.8.2.pet
276K xfce4-session/xfce4-session_DOC-4.8.2.pet
4.0K xfce4-session/xfce4-session_DEV-4.8.2.pet
248K xfce4-session/xfce4-session_NLS-4.8.2.pet
548K xfwm4/xfwm4_DOC-4.8.2.pet
200K xfwm4/xfwm4_NLS-4.8.2.pet
288K xfwm4/xfwm4-4.8.2.pet
7.5M total

This means you can get a basic Xfce in 1.8 MB (no documentation, development packages and locales). Amazing! With the missing packages I assume it won't be more than 2.5 MB, which is still very small.

deepsea · #442 Post by **deepsea** » Sat 01 Oct 2011, 18:59

Hi

Iguleder wrote: I'm writing build scripts for the latest Xfce 4.8.x and I also have a plan to try a bleedin' edge git checkout......
Xfce is by far my favorite under majro distros .....

Iguleder thats sounds great.

Xfce4 is more appropriate for my woman and my children
So i can spare time to develop a xfce4.6.X pet (most done)

By the way testing the 29.09.2011 version
petget missed.

Code: Select all

/usr/local/petget/installpkg.sh: line 38: /etc/xdg/menus/hierarchy: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /etc/xdg/templates: No such file or directory

Here a little preview of an xfce4 desktop on Next Puppy 5.0.2 29092011:

pacer106 · #443 Post by **pacer106** » Sun 02 Oct 2011, 01:15

Did some playing in Gimp today & came up with these. Thought you might like to use them for Next Puppy.

oligin10 · #444 Post by **oligin10** » Sun 02 Oct 2011, 06:24

Great looking artwork! I'm a fan of xfce, so that sounds good. Good luck, hope to try this out soon. Thanks, Rob

pacer106 · #445 Post by **pacer106** » Mon 03 Oct 2011, 16:48

Made a background for Next Pup.

Next Puppy by J. P. Stunna, on Flickr

Iguleder · #446 Post by **Iguleder** » Mon 03 Oct 2011, 18:56

Sorry to let you down, guys - it's totally messed up. Xfce 4.8 (unlike 4.6) is more modern and wants D-Bus so badly the settings manager won't work due to D-Bus related problems I don't understand.

Also, the menus are messed up and I have no idea how to make them work right.

And the wallpaper is lovely!

I think I'll try it with Openbox.

Tman · #447 Post by **Tman** » Mon 03 Oct 2011, 20:53

Iguleder,

This quote is from gray's Wary NOP thread.

gray wrote:As with previous NOPs the window manager is XFCE which replaces JWM. I have stuck with XFCE 4.6.2 as 4.8 is still flaky IMHO.

So maybe the lastest Xfce is not needed, but rather the latest stable version of it.

Iguleder · #448 Post by **Iguleder** » Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:57

4.8.x is a stable version, but I don't know how good it is with Puppy. Anyway, I think it's a bad idea to stick with an older version, since one day it will no longer compile ... and it has many bugs that no one's going to fix for us.

I'm still doing the Openbox experiment - I was able to make smaller ISOs so far.

stu90 · #449 Post by **stu90** » Thu 06 Oct 2011, 12:11

Openbox + mc + mplayer + feh = lightweight killer combo

Iguleder · #450 Post by **Iguleder** » Thu 06 Oct 2011, 19:47

I'm trying to build my first 13.37 spup at the moment.

There are three experiments I'd like to do:
- Openbox

- Trinity (the KDE 3.x fork) - I'd like to see if it's possible to build a lightweight KDE 3.x desktop based on this amazing project
- FVWM!

EDIT: I'm building an all-in-one build same as 29092011, but with Abiword, Gnumeric, mhWaveEdit, Osmo, Xpad, XChat and Geany

EDIT: its 101 MB, with all the above. This is amazing.

Shep · #451 Post by **Shep** » Sat 08 Oct 2011, 01:19

I find this thread compulsive reading, despite not understanding much. It reminds me of the time of gposil's frantic Dpup development 2 years ago, and I've been delighted that Iguleder has picked up the ball and is running with it.

Every time I scroll down through 'Derivatives' to find the Next Puppy thread I read it as "Dpup with Widow Maker" and reflect on the truth in that! Okay, I'm easily amused, but along with golfing widows, and rugby widows, judging by the productivity of some people here (not mentioning any names, of course), there must be quite a number of Puppy widows, too.

I'd just like them to know we appreciate their sacrifice.

Iguleder · #452 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 08 Oct 2011, 08:37

It's fun, what can I say

I rebuilt the dpup base, now I'm rebuilding yesterday's testing build with the addition of GdMap and a small bug fix for the menu generator. Also, this time AbiWord's huge locales are trimmed too, so maybe we'll be able to stay below the 100 MB mark

By the way, 101 MB isn't that bad at all - Lucid is 128-129 MB without Xorg_High and a browser, which weight around 25-30 MB together in the case of Firefox. In fact, it's even smaller than Wary, which uses an older X to achieve its small size.

Iguleder · #453 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 08 Oct 2011, 15:59

Still building ... here's a nice pie chart made in Gnumeric that shows each package's share of the total package size.

EDIT: I've got wbar down to a ~50 KB size and Openbox to around 185 KB. I'm trying to get tint2 to build - once I have it, I want to set up some minimalistic desktop that has a top panel with a window list and system tray and a dock at the bottom (wbar).

EDIT 2: it works! Here's a screeny of the WIP desktop. I want the next build to have this.

Iguleder · #454 Post by **Iguleder** » Fri 14 Oct 2011, 09:22

OK, time for some news!

I'm trying to accelerate dpup development even further.

At the moment, Woof does not handle multiple repositories. It just downloads all packages it sees that match a given package name. I'm working on a tool that makes Woof behave as expected: it just removes multiple entries of each package and keeps only the preferred one.

Also, I'm trying to write a tool that converts all Next Puppy's Debian base into PET packages, so it can be built just like Wary, which means Woof will be much faster now.

superchook · #455 Post by **superchook** » Fri 14 Oct 2011, 10:28

I haven't read all 31 pages of this thread but in case it has not been mentioned before there is a problem with the e3 editor in this puplet.
e3 segfaults when invoked as e3ne or e3pi. I'm not running Next Puppy at the moment so I cannot confirm the second case.

Trying to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf during the setup process fails as the editor does not open the xorg.conf file. This may be related to the failure of the e3 editor if this is the editor being called.

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