Puppy Squeeze Reborn 4.9.9.1 Alpha 2

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Iguleder · #46 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 10:43

The ISO is up! Posting this from it, seems good. Abiword and Gnumeric work and I don't see the tearing bug we had in Lucid.

And thanks, pemasu, I guess I'll add those libraries and Flash to the next build. It's smaller than 100 MB, we have 26 MB to waste ...

pemasu · #47 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 10:51

Iguleder. Diff command not found in your first alpha.

/sbin/pup_event_frontend_d: line 792: diff: not found

The xerrs.log accumulates of that error.

Iguleder · #48 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 10:58

Alpha 2 has diff in the devx ... isn't that normal? Maybe it's responsible for the desktop icons problem.

pemasu · #49 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 10:59

Iguleder. It might be good idea, to take one day break before uploading next version, so that people have time to hunt possible missing stuff and trace the needed packages.
Lol. You have so great energetic speed in your creations that ordinary people dont keep up with you.

pemasu · #50 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 11:06

Iguleder. DIff and several other diff related binaries are found in base sfs.
I took snapshot of my Midnight Sun Pup base sfs findings.
I think you need to include diff to the base sfs.

#51 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 11:09

Iguleder wrote:Good news, I added Debian's Abiword and Gnumeric. They're more stable than the latest and some people (DaveS ) use them for mission-critical stuff, so we're better stick with Debian's packages.

So the bloat starts, really you don't need debian packages for software just libs only, Plus abiword can be built without Goffice and so you can still ditch Gnumeric and just make a extra pet for it, I was impressed with your initial release but already your running for the easy way out, is the devx faulty or are you just being lazy? Please keep this release as small as possible and I'll support it but in your past releases you went the easy way and I walked. As for all woof variety's go Dpup has been the best from the very first one tronkle produced a few years ago. The speed that firefox works is very good, but bloat is always a very large turn-off, abiword and some sort of all-in-one media player is really what most users need. Debian packages are ok at a least but puppy tested ones are 10-1 better. As long as the lib's are the same version numbers than I don see any reason to add any new debian ones unless you can't compile them.
thanks
ttuuxxx

Iguleder · #52 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 11:14

Don't worry, ttuuxxx.

I want to experiment with Abiword and Gnumeric, especially the former, which has many dependencies.

As I said, I won't be home for a few days, so I won't be able to work on it, so I want to build both next week, towards weekend.

pemasu · #53 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 11:21

http://iguleder.info/puppy/dpup/squeeze-4.9.9.1-alpha2/

The download links in the first page does not work. Above link works.
Keeping bloat out. I would start with leaving Abiword and Gnumeric out. And offering them as pet and sfs and also latest Libre Office as pet and sfs.

With smallest ttuuxxx compile abiworgd, goffice and gnumeric takes as decompressed 27 Mb. I think that is for many bloat.

It isnt big thing to install them if you need them. And if you dont and want to use Libre Office or Softmaker 2008 or 2010 you are ready to go without almost working Abiword and better working Gnumeric.

Well....probably war starts now and I emphatize that above is my HO. Nothing else. Every distro builder do his own decisions and that is the priviledge when you are the one who do the hard work.

Iguleder · #54 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 11:32

I'm not going to participate in any flame war.

Anyway, the next release will take time, I'm gonna give alpha 2 a long life of a week or two.

I need to rebuild the kernel, Abiword, Gnumeric and E17. So far, the next build has Flash (and the Mozilla libraries required for it) and Diffutils in the main SFS.

The first thing I want to deal with is the kernel, I want it to be good like 2.6.32.42.

#55 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 11:51

pemasu wrote:
With smallest ttuuxxx compile abiworgd, goffice and gnumeric takes as decompressed 27 Mb. I think that is for many bloat.

I did say make a gnumeric pet which would included Goffice, only abiword would be needed to be added, and the last Abiword I made was for 2.14X and it was 4.8MB expanded respectfully. That's not really bloat, its more like oh yeah baby.

ttuuxxx

Iguleder · #56 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 12:39

I added liblzo for the squashfs_tools 4.2 I just built. I decided to add lzop too. I'm also rebuilding the kernel at the moment, with some improvements that should make Aufs much faster.

I started a clean build in a directory called "beta" and I want it to be beta quality. Once the kernel is ready, I'll rebuild E17 so I have a solid base to work on.

I also want to experiment with LZO compression, which should make the main SFS much bigger (+20-30 MB), but way faster. Shell scripts simply fly with LZO, because the main SFS decompresses transparently and you get near-native speed.

EDIT: the new kernel is ready, here.

#57 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 13:48

Iguleder wrote:I added liblzo for the squashfs_tools 4.2 I just built. I decided to add lzop too. I'm also rebuilding the kernel at the moment, with some improvements that should make Aufs much faster.

I started a clean build in a directory called "beta" and I want it to be beta quality. Once the kernel is ready, I'll rebuild E17 so I have a solid base to work on.

I also want to experiment with LZO compression, which should make the main SFS much bigger (+20-30 MB), but way faster. Shell scripts simply fly with LZO, because the main SFS decompresses transparently and you get near-native speed.

EDIT: the new kernel is ready, here.

LZO decompresses nicely with file-roller

plus other formats that xarchiver doesn't, That's why I added both to 2.14X, both have there ups and downs, but combined you can open just about anything.
ttuuxxx

stu90 · #58 Post by **stu90** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 13:57

Iguleder wrote:Pemasu, this isn't rxvt

stu90, yes, all my kernel packages go here

I want to build 2.6.39.x, by the way - wireless problems should be gone with 2.6.38+.

Thanks Iguleder - noticed your woof / reborn file in first post as well, thats tomorrow taken care off.

cheers.

Iguleder · #59 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 14:01

Here's the development one. A 'lil bit better, has some fixes.

It also contains two patches, one to choose the compression (gzip, LZO or XZ) in 3builddistro and another one with fixes required for E17.

pemasu · #60 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 14:17

Testing now the uploaded 2.6.39 kernel version distro. I unsquashed the main sfs and added those missing stuff mentioned in this thread. I unsquashed it in Lucid 266 devel version, It needed different squashsfstool to succeed.
Diffutils addition didnt fix the drive icons problem after mounting. Still the same bug.
But...I can write now straight. Great !!!
You got icons to the menu. Another great !!!
My wired atheros nic is now recognized. Third great !!!

Oops. I seem to have forgotten to add ntfs prog, I can open ntfs read-only only.

Overall, getting better.

EDIT. ntfs-3g package fixed the read-write to ntfs partition.

Iguleder · #61 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 15:07

I removed Opera and Flash from the repository, I want the next build to be free from proprietary stuff.

Working on a Firefox package at the moment.

pemasu · #62 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 15:26

Iguleder. I would need DOTconfig of your uploaded alpha2 distro kernel.
I need it so that I can compile acpi_call module to shut down my dual graphics ATI. Keeping it alive makes my laptop uncomfortably hot.

Iguleder · #63 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 15:30

The last one is here. Woof is processing the beta packages at the moment, once it's done I'm gonna build a testing build with the recompiled kernel and Firefox.

edoc · #64 Post by **edoc** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 16:37

pemasu wrote:http://iguleder.info/puppy/dpup/squeeze-4.9.9.1-alpha2/.

To test on this laptop (it has dpup 009 now) and my netbook (has Fluppy 013 now) the most-recent (for at least a week) version is found at the link, above?

I will test and report back.

It is great news that Opera, Abiword, and Gnumeric will be outside of the distro. The more that is outside the better IMHO, because then problems are far easier to troubleshoot and upgrades more-simple to install. Can CUPS be kept outside of the distro as well? It has been a chronic problem for years and once it fails is often impossible to repair - short of a complete system reinstall - far too many hyper-sensitive dependencies and no discernible conflict-detection code.

BTW: Is there some sort of filter on the Forum now? If so it is malfunctioning. Only 1 of every three or so posts I make are showing-up.

Iguleder · #65 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 30 Jul 2011, 16:46

I think I'll leave the browser and the office stuff in for now, but I do intend to replace Opera with something free (as in speech). I'm compiling IceCat now and it kills my poor 'lil netbook.

I have a nice idea, though - I could write a small subset of Puppizard that installs browsers from their official binary distribution. This could work great for Firefox, Seamonkey, Chrome and Opera. Zero size and great choice.

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