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mechmike

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 15:45    Post subject:  U.S. Dept. of Defense offers up tiny, secure Linux distro...  

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/u-s-dept-of-defense-offers-up-tiny-secure-linux-distribution-20110722/

They could have just used Puppy...
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amigo

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 16:35    Post subject:  

"They could have just used Puppy" -surely you jest. Puppy is absolutely the furthest you can get from being 'secure'! Anybody who says otherwise is hiding their head in the sand and has no idea at all about what is secure.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 17:14    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Quote:
Puppy is absolutely the furthest you can get from being 'secure'!

Their OS is considered "secure" because it loads from CD and runs in Ram...
By those standards, Puppy is equally secure...
I mean, it aint BSD...
But it is a lot more secure than M$...
Security fears hamper the Linux market, and are mostly unfounded..
Yet M$ touts its products as the "safest".. LOL...

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 18:23    Post subject: Ahh, I wasn't paying close enough attention...  

There's already a thread about this - mea culpa...

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69551
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 19:03    Post subject:  

How about running Puppy from a virtual drive in VirtualBox installed on Puppy.
Would you then have an isolated version of Puppy?
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 19:46    Post subject:  

" Puppy is absolutely the furthest you can get from being 'secure'!

Anybody who says otherwise is hiding their head in the sand and
has no idea at all about what is secure. "

""""""""

Nothing is totally secure.

Read about the Mac.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=546336#546336

But your assertion is BS.

To me Puppy is way ahead of most.

Of course I can be hacked.
Banks are hacked...Nato.

LulzSec hits Blackberg Security's "hacking challenge" page;
declines $10k reward. Done strictly for lulz.

http://i.imgur.com/Vf7PK.png

But for the majority Puppy is absolutely safe.

But setup your router properly.
Many old routers still run only WEP.
An occasional wipe of the router logs doesn't hurt either.

Best security is to stay off the web entirely.

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Here is a thought from CLAM01 .

" The perennial problem with doing banking, or anything else you
want sure security for, from anywhere out and about
is router insecurity. "

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69551&start=45

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2011, 23:47    Post subject:  

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...Probably the best news is that this Linux distribution isn’t limited to the Department of Defense or Air Force staff. It is free to download from the Software Protection Initiative which was put in charge of the distros’ development under the guidance of DoF and AFRL. The download comes in at just 135MB meaning you can stick it on one of those old 256MB USB stick we all have in a drawer somewhere.

Three versions of LPS exist. The 135MB version discussed above is called LPS-Public. Then there’s LPS-Public Deluxe which adds OpenOffice and Adobe Reader for further functionality at the cost of size on disk. Finally there’s the LPS-Remote Access version that is only available upon request. It adds VPN and any custom Thin Client software that an organization requires. For every day users wanting a secure portable distribution LPS-Public is probably all you need, especially if you use something like Google Apps instead of MS Office or OpenOffice.

Read more at Unixmen and the Software Protection Initiative

I wonder how easy it is to connect to the internet, compared to Puppy's wizard.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jul 2011, 00:33    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:

I wonder how easy it is to connect to the internet, compared to Puppy's wizard.


In my extremely limited testing........5 machines and wired dsl .........it connected automatically on boot every time.YMMV.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jul 2011, 04:09    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
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I wonder how easy it is to connect to the internet, compared to Puppy's wizard.


It did it all totally automatic within some two seconds something.
Nothing had to be done it just worked

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jul 2011, 06:22    Post subject:  

LPS is bound to have a backdoor installed for the control-freak spooks somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jul 2011, 23:20    Post subject:  

dawg:

I wouldn't doubt that.

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Where any OS is vulnerable is in wifi however.

Do we have a >> tunnel pet l>> ike Hotspot Shield?

Or would this help ....OpenVPN ?

http://www.ventanazul.com/webzine/articles/openvpn-ubuntu-and-hulu

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Also

http://alternativeto.net/software/hotspot-shield/?platform=linux

http://miriup.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8%3Ausing-hotspot-shield-under-linux&catid=8%3Alinux&Itemid=25&lang=en

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54770&sid=619b1a25fcdf256931b158b6ea0e4a32

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-anonymous-surfing-service.htm

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jul 2011, 23:59    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Built by the DOD..
Backdoor? Hell, I`d bet more like a Trap Door..
Lots of interesting bookmarks..
You`d think it would have more wireless drivers..
Fairly new kernel, 2.6.35.x if I remember right..
Forgot to look in about:config in FF..

Looks very official Gman ...
Wanna bet we see it in a movie scene???

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jul 2011, 03:24    Post subject:  

"more like a Trap Door" -no wonder that only the binary ISO is available. All other links to the homepage do not work, and no mention is made anywhere about the sources... I'd be afraid to run that even once on my computers -it could be doing *any* conceivable evil without letting you know...
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jul 2011, 09:06    Post subject:  

The Big Bro made some tool for its own security.. So people that know themselves as free ones may run such distro without sources with hdd physically detached and with any nv-ram chips in the system with /WE pins pulled up. Wink As for me, I'll never use such "a black-boxed gift" from BB for any reason.
But the good thing is for state IT staff to share sensitive information loss / leakage responsibility directly with DoD if they use this distro. )
And it can improve general security level of some state depts if they would use it of course instead of M$'s.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:50    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Well, it doesnt, and in fact wont, mount a native drive..
But I`d be afraid to connect it to the net....
Gonna pick at it some more later, and see whats REALLY there..LOL
Remarkably similar to Puppy, in "run as root" and package selection...
I`ll bet the initrd has some interesting stuff in it..
The dir structure is a cross linked mess, to me at least...
But at 135mb, its hiding something... Wink
Basically, its Icewm, Firefox and Leafpad..
And I wonder what else??

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