Lucid Puppy 5.2.7 RC2

[DaveS]

Here is a great theme: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 484#549484 (includes .pet to download).

Includes matching GTK and JWM themes. Will get on Openbox shortly

[bigpup]

5.2.6rc
Frugal + save file

Just noticed something.
Idle not doing anything.
Every few seconds the hard drive light comes on and goes out.
Could Puppy Event Manager be causing this?

Edit:
Does seem to have an affect if turned off.

[01micko]

To whomever maintains pupradio:

I selected "WA-FM Karratha", which paused awhile and then played well. I listened maybe half a minute. But when I checked the xerrs.log I discovered over a hundred thousand error messages from it! Here iis the edited log:
[snip]

Fortunately, the log is in /tmp, so does not fill up the pupsave file. But eventually /tmp will run out of space and cause who-knows-what. Maybe it's not a showstopper for lupu, but is definitely user-unfriendly, if it locks things up. This is to get this behavior "on the record".
Richard

Thanks for heads-up Richard

It seems to be an mplayer issue. I could send the output of mplayer (stdout and stderr) to /dev/null as a "fix". Onto it.

[Sage]

Pupradio:
- had endless problems with it, but very difficult to quantify as drop-outs, etc can also be due to the InterWeb, ISP and some stations. Gotradio.com seems fireproof and, for Brits (coming soon - the world), BBC iPlayer. Midori seems more stable and reliable with streaming content, Mozilla offerings least so. Pundits predict that all broadcasting will eventually be IP. Frankly, despite the cuts, repeats and jingles imposed by government and arty-farty 'executives', man-with-short-wave-radio tuned to WorldService will remain king for the forseeable. For Africa, James Dyson gave them wind-up and solar radio. [Whatever happened to the wind-up PC? And solar-powered ARM devices could well be viable?] Apart from which, the pictures are better on radio...

[Atle]

Updated Lucid? Best news since Lucid came.

Just have a little suggestion. In various places around the forum, you can find links to various VERY useful .pet(?), like the one that lets you use your Ethernet to share your Wlan connection and also the one that gives you Hiawatha/PHP/MySQL in one pacage. I bet here are others that can mention several more of these "hidden treasures" in Puppy Forum.

So the suggestion is... Could one add another "tab" to QuickPet, whereas some of these very smart and useful .pet's can be "collected" and come to use?

I feel a bit sorry for those that are missing out on this stuff, and if I need them, I need to search and search in the forum.

Here is my two favorites:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37520

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58982

I am under the impression that the QuickPet, would be by far more awesome, if these Pets where organized and presented???

Any one agree

[playdayz]

But when I checked the xerrs.log I discovered over a hundred thousand error messages from it! Here iis the edited log:

It seems to be an mplayer issue.

01micko, The message also occurs in 5.2.5. *However* if one selects the preferred player as gnome-mplayer (rather than mplayer) then there are no messages in xerrs.log. I have found this also to be the case with the vdpau message. Gnome-mplayer does not throw it all all, but mplayer throws it once when it starts to play. So here is another possible "fix" just set gnome-mplayer as the default and only player (or VLC of course if it is installed). Probably gnome-mplayer is just nulling those messages anyway. I wonder if mplayer *expects* the front end to null them. The ones I saw were notifications instead of "error" messages.

It does take a while to start playing--gnome-mplayer gives a visual reading of what is happening--the cache is taking a while to fill.

<add> I just listened to WA-FM for over an hour with no dropouts or skips and no messages in xerrs.log--with gnome-mplayer as the preferred player. *Except* when I Quit PupRadio gnome-mplayer was left on screen not responding.

But here's a new game for anyone who wants to play. As I have said one message into xerrs.log is not a concern, but repeated messages such as rerwin describes are a problem because they can slow down the computer and even expand xerrs.log to a ridiculous size. Open /tmp/xerrs.log and see what's there. Then close it. Then start a program, do something with it, then close it. Then open xerrs.log again and see if there are any repeated messages. One or two repetitions is not a concern, but a bunch are. The program I found yesterday that was doing this is pprocess, so you might first experiment with pprocess and see what one version of the problem looks like. Or with pupradio. Someone might also want to check if Lucid 5.2.5 has the same problem with pupradio. 5.2.5 *does* have the same problem with pprocess. We have a later gtkdialog3 in 526 and we also have the i686 ffmpeg libraries instead of the i386 in 525--conceivably either of those could be the culprit. If a few of us do this testing we will be able to say that not only do Lucid programs not crash and jeopardize data, but they do not throw excessive messages into xerrs.log either.


We have a little time for this now. Since we are upgrading udev I think we have to test another luci before our final RC. Udev looks good so far in my testing, but I don't have very exotic hardware. And we certainly expect that the new udev will do 2 things: 1) make some hardware work better or at all with Lucid, and 2) make Lucid EZ-Woof a better platform for Puppy derivatives.

[playdayz]

Just have a little suggestion. In various places around the forum, you can find links to various VERY useful .pet(?), like the one that lets you use your Ethernet to share your Wlan connection and also the one that gives you Hiawatha/PHP/MySQL in one pacage. I bet here are others that can mention several more of these "hidden treasures" in Puppy Forum.

If people can nominate their favorite pets and then someone can collect them, then I can feature that collected list in LupuNews. This doesn't necessarily need to be done before release because I can update LupuNews anytime.

[DaveS]

Those following Bary's blog will know the latest Woof has an overlay system for drive icons with a close button. See here: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02360

I made a .pet for this for those wanting to use it in earlier distros. I have tested it in Spup and This version of Lucid with no problems. Please test
After installing, reload your icon theme via menu>desktop>icon switcher to activate

[rerwin]

It seems to be an mplayer issue. I could send the output of mplayer (stdout and stderr) to /dev/null as a "fix". Onto it.

Thanks for looking into the logging issue. I see that mplayer takes these options, which might solve the problem.

-quiet
Display less output and status messages.
-really-quiet
Display even less output and status messages.

My concern with sending everything to /dev/null is that important messages would be lost. We want true error messages (but not repetitiously), just not status and debug messages. Maybe those options provide that discrimination. However, I see that that might be difficult given the way pupradio is coded. Those options may impact other players if used for all. Maybe the variable that is used to execute the player could be expanded to include player-specific arguments.

The mplayer man page describes mplayer as quite versatile. I would hate to see it dropped because of inconsiderate behavior.
Richard

EDIT: Interestingly, gnome-mplayer has these options:

-v, --verbose
Show more ouput on the console
--reallyverbose
Show even more output on the console

It apparently defaults to really-quiet and requires action to turn on the messages. That seems how it should be done. So, adding the "-really-quiet" option to the invocation of mplayer would then have it match gnome-mplayer's behavior.
R

[Brown Mouse]

Those following Bary's blog will know the latest Woof has an overlay system for drive icons with a close button. See here: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02360

I made a .pet for this for those wanting to use it in earlier distros. I have tested it in Spup and This version of Lucid with no problems. Please test
After installing, reload your icon theme via menu>desktop>icon switcher to activate

I installed this to 525 and cant seem to get it to work as it should.It unmounts things like usb flash drives by the methods detailed(clicking on the X) but I have not yet got it to unmount a mounted partition drive without right clicking and using the 'unmount.sdaxx' method.

[playdayz]

DaveS is a busy bee.

The theme is very pretty. Small too, so there is no problem adding it. I am going to remove some of the blocky old themes such as emacs, Raleigh, default, etc.

The drive icon overlay also seems to be working. Just to make sure I understand, what the overlay does is to put an X on drives that are mounted--so the X indicates that they are mounted and also gives a one-click way to unmount them.

No, maybe I have it wrong. Clicking on the X doesn't seem to unmount them--it just opens the drive..

Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. it seems to be operating correctly in the devel version I am using.

Someday we are going to have to stop adding great ideas and stomping nasty bugs. I think it will all come together very soon now. But I still think we need another luci to test these improvements.

[pemasu]

Dave S. Barry runs this script in delayedrun. It calls pngoverlay after X is started. No need to update icons.

Code: Select all

#110727 temporary hack (i hope)...
  #/usr/sbin/icon_switcher_cli is called from /etc/rc.d/rc.update, uses 'pngoverlay' to create overlay desktop icons.
  #however, pngoverlay requires X to be running. so, do that part here...
  if [ -f /usr/sbin/pngoverlay -a -e /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/closebox_outline48.png ];then #overlay app created by vovchik (see source /usr/sbin/pngoverlay.bac)
   rm -f /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/*_mntd*.png 2>/dev/null
   cd /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps
   cp -f /usr/sbin/pngoverlay /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/ #dumb, but needs to be in same folder.
   for ONEDRV in card drive floppy optical usbdrv
   do
    ./pngoverlay ${ONEDRV}48.png closebox_outline48.png ${ONEDRV}_mntd48.png #background foreground output.
    ./pngoverlay ${ONEDRV}48.png locked_outline48.png ${ONEDRV}_mntd_boot48.png
   done
   rm -f /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/pngoverlay
   cd /root
  fi

[pemasu]

I think there are some needed icons missing also. In the pet I mean.

[Brown Mouse]

Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. it seems to be operating correctly in the devel version I am using.

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I tried a reboot before reporting this but no joy.

[James C]

Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. it seems to be operating correctly in the devel version I am using.

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I tried a reboot before reporting this but no joy.

Same problem here in 526, clicking on the"X" opens a Rox window instead of unmounting the partition. I've restarted X and rebooted and reselected the icon set..... no change.

The new theme pet works fine though.

[playdayz]

Dang rerwin, you are really earning your money. I think I'll give you a raise.

A note for those who come after. It takes a village to raise a child and it takes a team to build a modern Puppy. I average about 4 hours a day during the development cycle, but without 01micko we would have been nowhere. Shinobar, ttuuxxx, radky have all done heavy development duty. Zigbert with all of his fine programs. Many others. DaveS is the go to guy for Gnumeric and many other things now. rcrsn51 maintains the HP printer and scanner drivers and many other things too now. tempestuous has built the collection of updated drivers and has the knowledge and experience to tell me which ones to include. Now we see what rerwin can do. One thing is, different people have different strengths and experience and can find different problems. Maintaining the PPM, experimenting with new approaches such as using the i686 libraries, coordinating the bug fixes, all of that is a lot for one person--I am not complaining, just saying that without the team I don't think it would be possible for one person to make Lucid--I think the tasks would increase faster than they could be done and one person would just get farther and farther behind. And of course, we would be dead in the water without the testers and Bigpup to tell me when to take a break (among many other things)..


Anyway, I think I am echoing what PLUG is about.

[playdayz]

Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. i

I wonder what is different in my case? I am using a new release so who knows.

What I did was (as I remember)
1. install the pet
2. run drive icon switcher and select the same crystal icons I was using
3. restart X (that didn't help)
4. Reboot (then it worked)

Oh, I had not saved yet when I installed the pet, so rebooting involved creating the save file; then when I restarted the icons worked as they should..

We will have to see what happens when I try to build it in.

[pemasu]

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02360

More about pngoverlay and about that script I included and also about those icons I was speaking about. I dont know if they are in Luci.

Anyway there are now several new puplets using pngoverlay due to recent woof. Caveout. Latest woof does not have updated delayedrun script.
I crapped mine from Drake Puppy.

[Atle]

Hello

Did a test by installing Empathy, that has a lot dependencies. did that purposely to show how it comes out on a ordinary 1024x768 resolution, and it does not come out nice.

The problem is that no matter what I do I can not get to the choices(yes, No etc), because the window grows to big for the screen.

Please see the attached image.

No matter how i stretch or try to see the choices down there at the bottom, I fail.

A bug? Its been like that in 5.2.5 as well.

Apart from that, the USB installer now works perfectly

[pemasu]

How about Alt+left click+drag