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DaveS


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 02:19    Post subject:  
Here is a great theme: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=549484#549484 (includes .pet to download).

Includes matching GTK and JWM themes. Will get on Openbox shortly Smile


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 02:29    Post subject:  
5.2.6rc
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Just noticed something.
Idle not doing anything.
Every few seconds the hard drive light comes on and goes out.
Could Puppy Event Manager be causing this?

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Does seem to have an affect if turned off.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 02:48    Post subject:  
rerwin wrote:
To whomever maintains pupradio:

I selected "WA-FM Karratha", which paused awhile and then played well. I listened maybe half a minute. But when I checked the xerrs.log I discovered over a hundred thousand error messages from it! Here iis the edited log:
[snip]

Fortunately, the log is in /tmp, so does not fill up the pupsave file. But eventually /tmp will run out of space and cause who-knows-what. Maybe it's not a showstopper for lupu, but is definitely user-unfriendly, if it locks things up. This is to get this behavior "on the record".
Richard


Thanks for heads-up Richard

It seems to be an mplayer issue. I could send the output of mplayer (stdout and stderr) to /dev/null as a "fix". Onto it.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 02:54    Post subject:  
Pupradio:
- had endless problems with it, but very difficult to quantify as drop-outs, etc can also be due to the InterWeb, ISP and some stations. Gotradio.com seems fireproof and, for Brits (coming soon - the world), BBC iPlayer. Midori seems more stable and reliable with streaming content, Mozilla offerings least so. Pundits predict that all broadcasting will eventually be IP. Frankly, despite the cuts, repeats and jingles imposed by government and arty-farty 'executives', man-with-short-wave-radio tuned to WorldService will remain king for the forseeable. For Africa, James Dyson gave them wind-up and solar radio. [Whatever happened to the wind-up PC? And solar-powered ARM devices could well be viable?] Apart from which, the pictures are better on radio...
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Atle

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 11:03    Post subject: This is such great news  
Updated Lucid? Best news since Lucid came.

Just have a little suggestion. In various places around the forum, you can find links to various VERY useful .pet(?), like the one that lets you use your Ethernet to share your Wlan connection and also the one that gives you Hiawatha/PHP/MySQL in one pacage. I bet here are others that can mention several more of these "hidden treasures" in Puppy Forum.

So the suggestion is... Could one add another "tab" to QuickPet, whereas some of these very smart and useful .pet's can be "collected" and come to use?

I feel a bit sorry for those that are missing out on this stuff, and if I need them, I need to search and search in the forum.

Here is my two favorites:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37520

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58982

I am under the impression that the QuickPet, would be by far more awesome, if these Pets where organized and presented???

Any one agree Laughing
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 12:08    Post subject:  
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But when I checked the xerrs.log I discovered over a hundred thousand error messages from it! Here iis the edited log:


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It seems to be an mplayer issue.


01micko, The message also occurs in 5.2.5. *However* if one selects the preferred player as gnome-mplayer (rather than mplayer) then there are no messages in xerrs.log. I have found this also to be the case with the vdpau message. Gnome-mplayer does not throw it all all, but mplayer throws it once when it starts to play. So here is another possible "fix" just set gnome-mplayer as the default and only player (or VLC of course if it is installed). Probably gnome-mplayer is just nulling those messages anyway. I wonder if mplayer *expects* the front end to null them. The ones I saw were notifications instead of "error" messages.

It does take a while to start playing--gnome-mplayer gives a visual reading of what is happening--the cache is taking a while to fill.

<add> I just listened to WA-FM for over an hour with no dropouts or skips and no messages in xerrs.log--with gnome-mplayer as the preferred player. *Except* when I Quit PupRadio gnome-mplayer was left on screen not responding.

But here's a new game for anyone who wants to play. As I have said Wink one message into xerrs.log is not a concern, but repeated messages such as rerwin describes are a problem because they can slow down the computer and even expand xerrs.log to a ridiculous size. Open /tmp/xerrs.log and see what's there. Then close it. Then start a program, do something with it, then close it. Then open xerrs.log again and see if there are any repeated messages. One or two repetitions is not a concern, but a bunch are. The program I found yesterday that was doing this is pprocess, so you might first experiment with pprocess and see what one version of the problem looks like. Or with pupradio. Someone might also want to check if Lucid 5.2.5 has the same problem with pupradio. 5.2.5 *does* have the same problem with pprocess. We have a later gtkdialog3 in 526 and we also have the i686 ffmpeg libraries instead of the i386 in 525--conceivably either of those could be the culprit. If a few of us do this testing we will be able to say that not only do Lucid programs not crash and jeopardize data, but they do not throw excessive messages into xerrs.log either.


We have a little time for this now. Since we are upgrading udev I think we have to test another luci before our final RC. Udev looks good so far in my testing, but I don't have very exotic hardware. And we certainly expect that the new udev will do 2 things: 1) make some hardware work better or at all with Lucid, and 2) make Lucid EZ-Woof a better platform for Puppy derivatives.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 12:40    Post subject:  
Quote:
Just have a little suggestion. In various places around the forum, you can find links to various VERY useful .pet(?), like the one that lets you use your Ethernet to share your Wlan connection and also the one that gives you Hiawatha/PHP/MySQL in one pacage. I bet here are others that can mention several more of these "hidden treasures" in Puppy Forum.

If people can nominate their favorite pets and then someone can collect them, then I can feature that collected list in LupuNews. This doesn't necessarily need to be done before release because I can update LupuNews anytime.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 15:54    Post subject:  
Those following Bary's blog will know the latest Woof has an overlay system for drive icons with a close button. See here: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02360

I made a .pet for this for those wanting to use it in earlier distros. I have tested it in Spup and This version of Lucid with no problems. Please test
After installing, reload your icon theme via menu>desktop>icon switcher to activate
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rerwin


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 16:02    Post subject:  
01micko wrote:
It seems to be an mplayer issue. I could send the output of mplayer (stdout and stderr) to /dev/null as a "fix". Onto it.

Thanks for looking into the logging issue. I see that mplayer takes these options, which might solve the problem.
Quote:
-quiet
Display less output and status messages.
-really-quiet
Display even less output and status messages.


My concern with sending everything to /dev/null is that important messages would be lost. We want true error messages (but not repetitiously), just not status and debug messages. Maybe those options provide that discrimination. However, I see that that might be difficult given the way pupradio is coded. Those options may impact other players if used for all. Maybe the variable that is used to execute the player could be expanded to include player-specific arguments.

The mplayer man page describes mplayer as quite versatile. I would hate to see it dropped because of inconsiderate behavior.
Richard

EDIT: Interestingly, gnome-mplayer has these options:
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-v, --verbose
Show more ouput on the console
--reallyverbose
Show even more output on the console
It apparently defaults to really-quiet and requires action to turn on the messages. That seems how it should be done. So, adding the "-really-quiet" option to the invocation of mplayer would then have it match gnome-mplayer's behavior.
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Brown Mouse


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 16:42    Post subject:  
DaveS wrote:
Those following Bary's blog will know the latest Woof has an overlay system for drive icons with a close button. See here: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02360

I made a .pet for this for those wanting to use it in earlier distros. I have tested it in Spup and This version of Lucid with no problems. Please test
After installing, reload your icon theme via menu>desktop>icon switcher to activate


I installed this to 525 and cant seem to get it to work as it should.It unmounts things like usb flash drives by the methods detailed(clicking on the X) but I have not yet got it to unmount a mounted partition drive without right clicking and using the 'unmount.sdaxx' method.
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 17:00    Post subject:  
DaveS is a busy bee.

The theme is very pretty. Small too, so there is no problem adding it. I am going to remove some of the blocky old themes such as emacs, Raleigh, default, etc.

The drive icon overlay also seems to be working. Just to make sure I understand, what the overlay does is to put an X on drives that are mounted--so the X indicates that they are mounted and also gives a one-click way to unmount them.

No, maybe I have it wrong. Clicking on the X doesn't seem to unmount them--it just opens the drive..

Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. it seems to be operating correctly in the devel version I am using.

Someday we are going to have to stop adding great ideas and stomping nasty bugs. I think it will all come together very soon now. But I still think we need another luci to test these improvements.
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pemasu


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 17:03    Post subject:  
Dave S. Barry runs this script in delayedrun. It calls pngoverlay after X is started. No need to update icons.

Code:
#110727 temporary hack (i hope)...
  #/usr/sbin/icon_switcher_cli is called from /etc/rc.d/rc.update, uses 'pngoverlay' to create overlay desktop icons.
  #however, pngoverlay requires X to be running. so, do that part here...
  if [ -f /usr/sbin/pngoverlay -a -e /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/closebox_outline48.png ];then #overlay app created by vovchik (see source /usr/sbin/pngoverlay.bac)
   rm -f /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/*_mntd*.png 2>/dev/null
   cd /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps
   cp -f /usr/sbin/pngoverlay /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/ #dumb, but needs to be in same folder.
   for ONEDRV in card drive floppy optical usbdrv
   do
    ./pngoverlay ${ONEDRV}48.png closebox_outline48.png ${ONEDRV}_mntd48.png #background foreground output.
    ./pngoverlay ${ONEDRV}48.png locked_outline48.png ${ONEDRV}_mntd_boot48.png
   done
   rm -f /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/pngoverlay
   cd /root
  fi
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 17:05    Post subject:  
I think there are some needed icons missing also. In the pet I mean.
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Brown Mouse


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 17:13    Post subject:  
playdayz wrote:


Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. it seems to be operating correctly in the devel version I am using.

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I tried a reboot before reporting this but no joy.
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James C


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 17:24    Post subject:  
Brown Mouse wrote:
playdayz wrote:


Ah, Once I rebooted the X started unmounting the drive. it seems to be operating correctly in the devel version I am using.

.


I tried a reboot before reporting this but no joy.



Same problem here in 526, clicking on the"X" opens a Rox window instead of unmounting the partition. I've restarted X and rebooted and reselected the icon set..... no change.

The new theme pet works fine though.
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