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#1816 Post by sickgut »

mini-jaguar wrote:Is there any good meows on the xtra CD? If so, where?

I am Pussyfying 4.3.1KDE and I can't stand the generic Windows type sounds, I need some good cat sounds. I never got Pussy Xtra to recognise my sound card either, but I'll wait for the next version.

The wallpaper was easy enough to find though.
No extra meows on the Xtra version, i didnt add any extra sound files than what is included by default with whatever applications are installed.

You may or maynot have some success with the feature in catroll-panel that reinitializes the sound card and or alsa driver. I forget what its called but it is obvious enough if you look for it, im not on a pussy machine atm and cant remember what its called.. maybe something like "alsa-reinitialize" or "alsa-detect" or "something something something meow meow moew purr".......

Saintless contributed the script in catroll-panel that restarts and redetects the alsa audio device. Pussy being a live distro that asks for no config instructions when booting needs to select atleast one audio driver to get sound and it is rigged to choose the most supported one, unfortunately this means that a small percentage of computers wont have a compatible sound driver on first boot.

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Re: Persistent Frugal install of Debian-Live Wheezy.

#1817 Post by sickgut »

cinclus_cinclus wrote:
sickgut Sat 02 Feb 2013, 23:04 wrote: ...
edit:

oooops i misread the text, i thought you where booting the actual iso not the files from it. The new wheezy is supposed to be compatible with booting the iso straight from grub ill test this
Agreed! Simply add to menu.lst an menu-entry for booting directly into the wheezy-bare.iso-image-file.

The following menu-entry refers to an installation where:

- the 3. primary partition (=/dev/sda3) on hd0 is not in use(!)
- the ISO-image is on an unfragmented FAT32-partition (/dev/sda5)
- the grub4dos-version used is 0.4.5c

Code: Select all

title (hd0,4)/wheezy-bare.iso
partnew (hd0,2) 0x00 (hd0,4)/wheezy-bare.iso
map  (hd0,4)/wheezy-bare.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader (0xff)
Please read Scooby's explanation:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=22
thanks for the info buddy

very useful to know and i appreciate the heads up on the code required, you probably saved me from multiple strokes and a hemroid of the soul.

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#1818 Post by sickgut »

anticapitalista wrote:
nooby wrote:Here is a small Debian.
http://distrowatch.com/7742
Development Release: SparkyLinux 2.1 RC
a Debian-based desktop Linux distribution with a choice of Enlightenment or LXDE desktops: "SparkyLinux 2.1 release candidate 'Eris' (Main edition) is out. The system is built as all 2.x releases on Debian testing 'Wheezy'. New ISO images E17/LXDE


165 MB how is this one different to all the other Debians?
... because it is a typo error. The iso is actually 1.5GB
Wheezy is hidiously huge. The basic ISO im working with after slimming is 350mb in size, however probably 180MB or more of this is the HDD install stuff, i may be able to remove some of the preinstall packages and edit the install scripts to only included the things that are useful (why on earth do we need graphical and text install and 3 different partition setup programs and lilo and grub etc etc... ?

only prob is if i do modify this then we open a can of worms as far as users getting support from debian channels but HDD install option here is such a huge overhead, its about as large as the entire Pussy Base ISO of the old Pussy. Maybe DVD version could have HDD install as an option and the smaller CDROM version could leave it out maybe.

what is easier to install for a newbie?

1) follow a step by step instruction in Pussy catroll-panel that tells the user to copy the ISO to the HDD and then install grub

or

2) usual traditional non live HDD install

There was a newer ISO released by Debian Live earlier this month, ill slim it and see whats practical to remove or add. The problem im facing now is that Wheezy is so large with the HDD install stuff included that a full CDROM version the size of the older Xtra version would have nowhere near as many applications installed because the old squeeze debian live base was like 90mb and this wheezy base is 350mb.

Perhaps removing the HDD install stuff from the CDROM version but including it in the DVD version would be a sensible compromise?

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#1819 Post by sickgut »

I apologize for the ever changing babble being spewed forth from my fingertips on this thread in the last few months.

Some things look good on paper but dont work in real life... over planning on my part and lack of sleep have just resulted in an ever changing confused spiel here...

So i have decided it best to scale down the project to a single release of one version. This will include a small console only boot option that doubles as a server, and the full desktop environment as a separate boot option... however as per usual the desktop variant on the same iso/ image will also include all the server services as well.

It was a mistake to try and be ahead of the curve as far as jumping on a premature and barely working debian live wheezy/ testing shell as a base for Pussy... for one thing it will require multiple updates to the base system, essentially a new OS... until finally we are running the same release candidate that ends up being used as the debian stable/ current version, otherwise Pussy users wanting to seek support from debian people will run into trouble simply because the advice offered to them probably wouldnt work as it is too different from the final debian stable.

Due to the size difference between the old Pussy that had no official HDD install support and the new Pussy that will include it i was considering releasing 2 versions, one that is smaller and is Live only like the previous pussy and a version that has the HDD install stuff included....
There is a 200MB difference in size here....
I am forced to choose to develop either one or the other, not both...

And the winner is the Pussy with HDD install features. However, this will also means that creating something similar in features to the old Pussy Xtra (almost filled an entire cdrom iso) probably will not fit on a cdrom. This will end up being maybe 900MB or so in size. Considering any modern computer either has a DVD drive or a USB 2.0 port or a SD card slot, this is not a problem.

In the spirit of keeping things simple, the new Pussy will be similar in features to the older Pussy Xtra but with a server/ console only boot option, a HDD install at boot option and a few extra things like samba and cups and webtv etc included as well as anything else that will help deliver a sweet out of the box experience.

To keep things practical Pussy will be as large as it needs to be, but i am not going to deliberately aim for a DVD sized (4GB or so) distro. This would make downloading it a problem for alot of people. The final size of Pussy will most likely be 900MB or 1GB or something similar.

Considering Pussy Xtra included more useful apps in its 600mb than pretty much any 2GB or more Linux distro could ever even wish for, and the new base being 200mb larger than the old one.... we are still going to be the best performance/ features VS disk footprint/ RAM usage linux distro that will be available.

So all in all, new Pussy will be like old Pussy Xtra + newer things + server/ console only option at boot + HDD install option at boot + a few hundred MB larger in size so it will no longer be CDROM sized but more like 1GB SD card/ USB stick sized and or can be burned to a DVD-R and used from that to install to HDD or be run as live.

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#1820 Post by Bob_the_plumber »

ok

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#1821 Post by popov »

No worries, once you release it, if its going to be good them some people will definitely slim it :twisted:

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#1822 Post by sickgut »

Im hoping that the final debian wheezy iso's are slimmer than they are now, altho maybe thats not the real prob with bloat, i think that there will be more variety of official debian live ISO's and a decent netinstall one (usually less than 100mb) is the one that is missing from the line up at the present time.

If a netinstall wheezy does indeed come out then keeping things small wont be all that much of a problem.

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#1823 Post by Bob_the_plumber »

sure

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#1824 Post by Bob_the_plumber »

Release

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#1825 Post by Dean »

Is Wheezy Pussy still being worked on :?
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#1826 Post by alphadog »

Yeh, I was wondering the same thing been checking this thread regularly but no action . Has Pussy died ? Is "Sickgut" still with us or has he taken his devoper skills elsewhere ?
Could anybody shed any light on the situation?

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#1827 Post by Bob_the_plumber »

maybe he's dead.. bitten by a venomous spider

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#1828 Post by jbv »

[Shameless_Plug_Mode=On]

imnsho ... What PussyLinux could have/should have been ...
FoxyRoxyLinux

Pure Debian Linux (squeeze) with the heart and spirit of a Puppy.

Have a peek (and poke around the forum) ... you may be surprised.

The real world (real life) has stalled things for a few months, although life is returning to normal.
I would really appreciate some help from anyone who really knows *nix

[Shameless_Plug_Mode=Off]

In the last few days, I've had a peek at wheezy, and it totally smashes anything/everything to do with persistence and the ability to make a snapshot of the system in a totally RAM based system. Not only does the 3.x kernel resolve a lot of issues that the 2.x has/had it is obviously the way to move forward. However, it is also a whole new can of worms with regard to the startup sequence, cow, and all of the other things that made pussy what it was. I am not promising anything in the way of a fix or how to make wheezy like squeeze, but I've got some ideas and if you're really prepared to peek under the hood with me, then I'd ask you to have a peek at we've done with squeeze. We've got a little way to go with squeeze before looking to see how we get over to wheezy, but I'm sure it can be done.

Cheers, Brenton

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#1829 Post by nooby »

" it is also a whole new can of worms with regard to the startup sequence, cow, and all of the other things that made pussy what it was. I am not promising anything in the way of a fix or how to make wheezy like squeeze, "

That could be one reason that he has not been so active.
the problem is too much one one person one need to be a team
so he has a break and get back when he figure it out or his illness
has gone more severe so he has to concentrate to feel well.

Give him a break
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#1830 Post by saintless »

From today http://thepussycatforest.info/ is inactive for me. Does anybody else have the same problem?
I hope Sickgut will drop by soon to write he is OK.
I think I have most of the Squeezy Pussy Linux files and extra programs. I can upload them somewhere if someone needs them.

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#1831 Post by darkcity »

I can confirm that http://thepussycatforest.info/ has revert to domain name advertising.

If you could mirror the files that would be great. I will add a link on the wiki 8)

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#1832 Post by saintless »

darkcity wrote:I can confirm that http://thepussycatforest.info/ has revert to domain name advertising.

If you could mirror the files that would be great. I will add a link on the wiki 8)
OK, I'll check what I have and I will post the download link.

Cheers

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#1833 Post by saintless »

All files I have are uploaded here:
http://www.mydrive.ch/
username: guest@saintless
password: download
There are readme text for every iso file and soon I will add md5sum files also.
Any suggestions for mirror sites with permanent file storage are welcome.

Edit:29.04.2016 - I have e-mail from mydrive.ch my free account will have 100Mb storage limit in a month. I had to remove all files over 100Mb limit. Uploaded text file ISO-files-Moved-Here.txt with new storage location in dropbox in case someone visits mydrive.ch. This is the new download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zsovsb7i69sr ... 7Xi5a?dl=0

Edit2: Nice surprise - the torrent file from here is still active:
https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_pussy
It contains server, base and extra iso version.

And direct download for all files:
https://ia801008.us.archive.org/25/item ... nux_pussy/
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#1834 Post by darkcity »

Nice one, added link to your post
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PussyLinux

Maybe ally has picked it up for archive.org too.

Downloading a copy now.

8) 8) 8)

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#1835 Post by saintless »

darkcity wrote:Maybe ally has picked it up for archive.org too.
Nice surprise - the torrent file from here is still active:
https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_pussy
It contains server, base and extra iso version.
And direct download for all files:
https://ia801008.us.archive.org/25/item ... nux_pussy/

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