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Pussy: potentially a Puppy with a perfect package manager
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sickgut
 Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 1157 Location: Tasmania, Australia in the mountains. |
No extra meows on the Xtra version, i didnt add any extra sound files than what is included by default with whatever applications are installed. You may or maynot have some success with the feature in catroll-panel that reinitializes the sound card and or alsa driver. I forget what its called but it is obvious enough if you look for it, im not on a pussy machine atm and cant remember what its called.. maybe something like "alsa-reinitialize" or "alsa-detect" or "something something something meow meow moew purr"....... Saintless contributed the script in catroll-panel that restarts and redetects the alsa audio device. Pussy being a live distro that asks for no config instructions when booting needs to select atleast one audio driver to get sound and it is rigged to choose the most supported one, unfortunately this means that a small percentage of computers wont have a compatible sound driver on first boot. |
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sickgut
Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 1157 Location: Tasmania, Australia in the mountains. |
thanks for the info buddy very useful to know and i appreciate the heads up on the code required, you probably saved me from multiple strokes and a hemroid of the soul. |
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sickgut
Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 1157 Location: Tasmania, Australia in the mountains. |
Wheezy is hidiously huge. The basic ISO im working with after slimming is 350mb in size, however probably 180MB or more of this is the HDD install stuff, i may be able to remove some of the preinstall packages and edit the install scripts to only included the things that are useful (why on earth do we need graphical and text install and 3 different partition setup programs and lilo and grub etc etc... ? only prob is if i do modify this then we open a can of worms as far as users getting support from debian channels but HDD install option here is such a huge overhead, its about as large as the entire Pussy Base ISO of the old Pussy. Maybe DVD version could have HDD install as an option and the smaller CDROM version could leave it out maybe. what is easier to install for a newbie? 1) follow a step by step instruction in Pussy catroll-panel that tells the user to copy the ISO to the HDD and then install grub or 2) usual traditional non live HDD install There was a newer ISO released by Debian Live earlier this month, ill slim it and see whats practical to remove or add. The problem im facing now is that Wheezy is so large with the HDD install stuff included that a full CDROM version the size of the older Xtra version would have nowhere near as many applications installed because the old squeeze debian live base was like 90mb and this wheezy base is 350mb. Perhaps removing the HDD install stuff from the CDROM version but including it in the DVD version would be a sensible compromise? |
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sickgut
Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 1157 Location: Tasmania, Australia in the mountains. |
I apologize for the ever changing babble being spewed forth from my fingertips on this thread in the last few months. Some things look good on paper but dont work in real life... over planning on my part and lack of sleep have just resulted in an ever changing confused spiel here... So i have decided it best to scale down the project to a single release of one version. This will include a small console only boot option that doubles as a server, and the full desktop environment as a separate boot option... however as per usual the desktop variant on the same iso/ image will also include all the server services as well. It was a mistake to try and be ahead of the curve as far as jumping on a premature and barely working debian live wheezy/ testing shell as a base for Pussy... for one thing it will require multiple updates to the base system, essentially a new OS... until finally we are running the same release candidate that ends up being used as the debian stable/ current version, otherwise Pussy users wanting to seek support from debian people will run into trouble simply because the advice offered to them probably wouldnt work as it is too different from the final debian stable. Due to the size difference between the old Pussy that had no official HDD install support and the new Pussy that will include it i was considering releasing 2 versions, one that is smaller and is Live only like the previous pussy and a version that has the HDD install stuff included.... There is a 200MB difference in size here.... I am forced to choose to develop either one or the other, not both... And the winner is the Pussy with HDD install features. However, this will also means that creating something similar in features to the old Pussy Xtra (almost filled an entire cdrom iso) probably will not fit on a cdrom. This will end up being maybe 900MB or so in size. Considering any modern computer either has a DVD drive or a USB 2.0 port or a SD card slot, this is not a problem. In the spirit of keeping things simple, the new Pussy will be similar in features to the older Pussy Xtra but with a server/ console only boot option, a HDD install at boot option and a few extra things like samba and cups and webtv etc included as well as anything else that will help deliver a sweet out of the box experience. To keep things practical Pussy will be as large as it needs to be, but i am not going to deliberately aim for a DVD sized (4GB or so) distro. This would make downloading it a problem for alot of people. The final size of Pussy will most likely be 900MB or 1GB or something similar. Considering Pussy Xtra included more useful apps in its 600mb than pretty much any 2GB or more Linux distro could ever even wish for, and the new base being 200mb larger than the old one.... we are still going to be the best performance/ features VS disk footprint/ RAM usage linux distro that will be available. So all in all, new Pussy will be like old Pussy Xtra + newer things + server/ console only option at boot + HDD install option at boot + a few hundred MB larger in size so it will no longer be CDROM sized but more like 1GB SD card/ USB stick sized and or can be burned to a DVD-R and used from that to install to HDD or be run as live. |
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Bob_the_plumber
Joined: 08 Aug 2012 Posts: 11 |
ok |
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popov
Joined: 30 Mar 2013 Posts: 45 |
No worries, once you release it, if its going to be good them some people will definitely slim it 
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sickgut
Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 1157 Location: Tasmania, Australia in the mountains. |
Im hoping that the final debian wheezy iso's are slimmer than they are now, altho maybe thats not the real prob with bloat, i think that there will be more variety of official debian live ISO's and a decent netinstall one (usually less than 100mb) is the one that is missing from the line up at the present time. If a netinstall wheezy does indeed come out then keeping things small wont be all that much of a problem. |
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Bob_the_plumber
Joined: 08 Aug 2012 Posts: 11 |
sure |
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Bob_the_plumber
Joined: 08 Aug 2012 Posts: 11 |
Release |
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