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#16 Post by aarf »

in puppee4.4rc2 dd img to unmounted sdcard. gparted fails to see partitions. quirky gparted also wont see partitions. partitions show on desktop after restart but second partition is not accessible at all.

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got to desktop with icons and seamonkey but couldnt connect wifi. "no networks found." missing wifi drivers?

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#17 Post by SouthPaws »

I wonder if your name choice may be keeping dev's away...?
Are you open to changing it?

Maybe something subtle like adding 'cat' - PussyCat Linux.
It matches your website, and it's definitely more family friendly. (Instantly broadens appeal to a much larger potential testing base.)
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#18 Post by nooby »

Pussycat wikipedia says

Pussycat is a common term for a cat.

Pussy wikipedia says

Pussy is an English word meaning:

* Cat
* The human female genitalia, for the slang term related to genital anatomy.
* Pejoratively, cowardice or weakness as an insult in general

So the name should be Pussycat Linux. :)

Edit but to be consistent with Puppy Linux it should refer to a Cat puppy so them maybe are referred to as kitten?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten_%28 ... guation%29

in ordinary language????? would become KittyCat Linux?

Edit II

I used to be everywhere. Now I do my best to only post on things that I know enough or on things I want to know and before that I posted on things I knew nothing so a slight improvement. Sorry.
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#19 Post by Puppyt »

I second SouthPaw's suggestion.
Actually, I initially delayed getting into Puppy for about a year 'cos of the inevitable problem with what you say about the collection of contributors' offshoot distros - "Nice, er...Puppies"?. "Puplets" (or "pupplets") is an awful-sounding replacement but in this PC-sensitive phase we're going through, necessary. I don't mean to be prudish, just prudent. Thought your earlier posts on renaming your site absolutely hilarious, btw!
On with re-evolving the Puppy Mill :)

EDIT: Nooby beat me to it (that bloke is everywhere!). Probably better Feng-shui to go with PC than "P"

EDIT 2: (In retrospective response to Nooby above). No apologies necessary Nooby - you is da glue and your input on these forums really valuable to keep perspective for us technological troggs. sickgut - maybe "EarthaKitten" Linux?
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#20 Post by sickgut »

hi arrf
in the wifi thing you may need to wicd (click on the network option on the desktop then widc will apear as a icon on the bottom right taskbar) tell it what wifi card to use, usually wlan0 in preferences, then click refresh to see networks.

Pussy contains all the drivers that a full debian install has, generally more than Puppy contains.

I dont understand the dd issue and the partitions problem, there isnt a seccond partition in the image only a fat32 partition. the image is only 375mb in size, so only 375mb will be written to the first part of the sdcard and this is one partition.

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#21 Post by 2byte »

Hi sickgut,

Downloading now. How about posting the md5sums?


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#22 Post by harii4 »

the project reminds me of:
Pussycat SHED or GALPon Minino
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... e732af89cd
but it had "mut2 (1.0.0.1156) of origin Puppy Linux 2008"
http://minino.galpon.org/wiki/doku.php? ... teristicas
It used Debian packaging system (. Deb). and is 100% debian as well.

Maybe you could add mut2 too? :D
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#23 Post by aarf »

ok wlan0 in the preferences tab got wifi connected. but temporary external glich may have resulted in no pages being able to load.
something about partition not being on a boundary could that be the partition problem. gparted wont start but info above from the other meowthing in that folder.
wrote some notes with a leafpad to the pussy partition folder but it disappeared when viewed from puppy. so that is why this info is sketchy.
how to mount partitions? how to take screenshot?
over all has definite promise. is fast. but is not intuative need to read all the instructions.
Perhaps a pussy forum at your site or a ready made third party forum elsewhere to remove the barbarian cultural influence.
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#24 Post by mahaju »

nooby wrote:Pussycat wikipedia says

Pussycat is a common term for a cat.

Pussy wikipedia says

Pussy is an English word meaning:

* Cat
* The human female genitalia, for the slang term related to genital anatomy.
* Pejoratively, cowardice or weakness as an insult in general

So the name should be Pussycat Linux. :)

Edit but to be consistent with Puppy Linux it should refer to a Cat puppy so them maybe are referred to as kitten?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten_%28 ... guation%29

in ordinary language????? would become KittyCat Linux?

Edit II

I used to be everywhere. Now I do my best to only post on things that I know enough or on things I want to know and before that I posted on things I knew nothing so a slight improvement. Sorry.
How about meownux, or felinux or may be even Felix?

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#25 Post by sc0ttman »

How about "Pussy Linux" as that is what sickgut has chosen!
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#26 Post by nooby »

sc0ttman wrote:How about "Pussy Linux" as that is what sickgut has chosen!
Yes the polite thing is to let the Dev of a thing to decide on the name.

But if that name makes it almost impossible for a lot of person to make use of it then one can in a friendly humorous way tease the name maker a bit and he change it to KittyCat Linux whatever. :)
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
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#27 Post by shariebeth »

nooby wrote:
sc0ttman wrote:How about "Pussy Linux" as that is what sickgut has chosen!
Yes the polite thing is to let the Dev of a thing to decide on the name.

But if that name makes it almost impossible for a lot of person to make use of it then one can in a friendly humorous way tease the name maker a bit and he change it to KittyCat Linux whatever. :)
I find it an unfortunate choice of name as well, and will not even try it based on that alone.

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#28 Post by Keef »

That's put the kibosh on my plans to release "Beaver Linux" then. Oh bugger.

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#29 Post by mickee »

sickgut wrote:just a quick note to let yall know there is an easter egg in the usb flash drive .img install that explains the "Less Lonely" codename a little.
Hmmm are we saying Justin Bieber is a pussy?
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#30 Post by CLAM01 »

Hey, Sc0ttman and all concerned with "Pussy Linux", how about just pronouncing the pussy "PC"?

PC Linux is what the pussy is essentially: A squash file that can be expanded for hard drive install, not really set up for frugal, a hierarchy of multi-user ownerships and permissions, union file system layering and so on. I don't see much that is distinctively puppy.

There is already a pclinux.com website. It has a forum, not as good as puppy's, but few are. They have debian's synaptec set up to download .debs from the debian repos, to update and round up dependencies.

I apologize if I am not PC and not pussyfooting to not step on toes, but this pussy looks like a debbie kitten, not a pup dog to me.

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#31 Post by sickgut »

hi CLAM01

Pussy linux doesnt have a compressed filesystem it decompresses to HDD, it stays compressed. Also you can use save files on the USB version that are compressed, there is no decompression to the HDD. Like Puppy if you do a full install to HDD it decompressed it to the HDD and a 120MB .iso of Puppy installs to hundreds of MB onto the HDD, Pussy doesnt do this as it just runs it compressed, HDD, CDROM, USB, all the same.

Please actually download and run Pussy before you comment on what it is and how it works as you obviously have not used it or read the release notes as you seem to think it doesnt do frugal, isnt a save file on the HDD while you run a live cdrom or USB actually a frugal?

comparing pussy to pclinux is like comparing puppy lucid to ubuntu but im not going to bother answering claims from people who obviously have not used Pussy.

i freaking wish people would actually read the forum posts etc before commenting because i seem to have to say over and over and over again that Pussy isnt a Puppy, Pussy is something ive posted here that is the culmination of 2 years of work on package management for Puppy, after my apt-get package for puppy lucid worked but was not a 100% solution, i then set out to make a OS as close to puppy as i could possibly make it that actually does have 100% apt get working 100% of the time as it is a debian base that has had nothing done to break compatibility, but it is slimmed down and added many similar apps to puppy and made to work like it best i can, pussy is posted here because im looking for interest from developers who will help me with the final step of turning pussy into a puppy.

i am trying to turn Pussy INTO a Puppy, it isnt a Puppy right now. And please note you can run or dev on Pussy with or without the pussyxtra.squashfs file that contains the extra apps apps (results in to 207mb OS including the 67mb live system) or with or without the pussyos.squashfs file, without this file this results in a 67mb OS.
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#32 Post by nooby »

Sickgut you most likely know Debian way better than what I do :)

Knoppix and even Ubuntu could boot in frugal install on NTFS HDD


Don't you have any clue on how to set up Pussy that way?
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#33 Post by nooby »

A more formal remark.

Puppy Derivatives

Pussy is that really a puppy derivative?

Is it not a Debian such? So you should have placed it under

Truly off topic :)
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#34 Post by sickgut »

hi nooby,

I originally was making Pussy as a USB flashdisk based distro that would be distributed via .img files, or .iso that you can burn to cdrom that contains the .img that you can then use a script to get it to image the USB stick you like.

After stumbling on some knowledge about compressed save files and making my own squash based filesystems i found it all of a sudden worked on a live CDROM.

So this is how Pussy has been bred onto USB sticks and CDROMs but not HDD. The only way i know to do HDD is image the USB image to the HDD, that is the method im currently using and im now using a compressed save file in the /live dir of the HDD, this works fine immediately using the save-file option in the Catroll-Panel. This option works in the USB and HDD install but not on Live CDROM as its only in the /live dir of the live media that the live system looks for the compressed squashfs files and automount them inturn (alphabetical order) onto the main "/" filesystem. The next step for me is to try see if it will still work if there is a sysmlink in that dir of a squashfile but the file exists on a ext2 , 3 , 4 partition on the HDD. The non compressed best way for HDD save file is to image the USB stick to the hdd and use the rest of the space as a ext2. 3. or 4 partition named live-rw and it will treat the entire partition like a non compressed save file. You can still create compressed save files out of the noncompressed partition and ill have that as an option in the beta.

Im going to have to learn about how to make the usb image not use a fat32 partition and all about syslinux, grub or whatever booting method its gonna work for HDD install, but the OS will always be stored in one file as this is unwriteable as this is the strength of the live system as you cant possibly corrupt the main OS.

The issue with posting on the puppy derivatives forum is because this has to do with puppy the whole point of me making this OS is so that devs could fit the auto mounting and other puppy opnly apps onto it to MAKE it a Puppy. There isnt any place on these forums for OS that people want to be MADE into a puppy, and i believe this is not off topic. All i need is some dev help and input to fit some puppy things ontop of it to make a it a puppy then the entire puppy community and potential newbies will have a Puppy OS that has 100% apt-get debian repo support.

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#35 Post by sickgut »

now to clarify something (as i answer this about 5 times a day):

no this isnt dpup, no it isnt the same kinda packagemanagement as dpup or Lucid with the same set of problems, this isnt a puplet that has alot of debs fitted on top of it. There seems to be alot of people under the impression that Pussy just offers debian repo accessablilty with a crude system of installing the debs onto the OS, this is in correct, this is an OS that has 100% apt-get working debian repo access and compatibility and it works 100% of the time, 100% every time, the package management works perfectly. This OS was built on the smallest possible debian base that was then stripped then built on top of in such a way that doesnt break compatibility with debian and as such it installs debian stuff PERFECTLY and it has a script in the catroll panel that cleans up alot of the junky stuff you dont need after you install stuff, this will be improved on the beta, this way things arent bloated and are similar to size of puppy, much smaller infact if you compare it with a puppy full hdd install as pussy is compressed with squashfs4 and you can literally fit 700mb into 140mb file, same with the compressed save files you can run from USB and HDD, you can from CDROM but it requires a line at in the live.cfg file to be added with the path of the file save file you wanna load at boot and an edit in the save-file script in the catroll panel to drive onto a local hdd or media.

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