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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 19:37    Post_subject:  

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All people are capable of playing a violin, and probably a few animals.

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i've played a few cats in my time but we can all rest easy in our beds knowing that the pollys are on to it. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/cats-in-wa-bound-for-kitty-prison/story-e6frfku0-1226366886344
and after they finish with the pussys their coming to microchip your budgie
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 19:55    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
okay thanks
I give it a short try now it is too late for anything more 10.53PM

Yes that worked well.
Using Iceweasel now åäö even works.

But I should have prepared the savefile
now I will lose everthing when I shut down Smile
And now I can write to the hd too. Ooops should take a last look
Hold your breath. Yes it works to write using leafpad.

Jay thanks Saintless. AFAIK it did not work using the old one.
So this is real progress.

I have now created a save file but are not sure if I have
to rename it for it to work and if I should place it in hotroxpussy
dir or on home? Root? /


All right, Nooby, do not rush. One step at a time, please Wink
You have RW access on your NTFS boot partition and working internet connection. Well done!

You don't need to install Iceweasel at all.
As I promised here is the way to use 44-firefox.squashfs:

1. Mount your partition and navigate to 44-firefox.squashfs. It doesn't matter where this file will be located. Then click on it and a new window will open with two folders (scripts and user). You will also have a mount point to this two folders in /mnt/+mnt+path+to+the+file (if you mount sda2 in /mnt).

2. Open the user folder and navigate to firefox executable file:
user --> local --> firefox (folder)--> firefox (file). Single click on this file will start Firefox.

The same way you can open 4-pussyxtra-beta2.squashfs and you can start OpenOffice and AssaultCube from /xtra folder.

Now about your save file - I can't test it with NTFS partition made from Windows because I have not any Windows installed.
You will have to test this yourself.
The save file has to be named live-rw and the location must be on the top of any partition. Not inside any folder. If you use your boot partition you have to see your live folder and live-rw file next to each other.
It is better to use different partition, not the boot partition where your /live folder is located, because this save file will mount your boot partition.
You can test to see if it will mount the boot partition in ro or rw mode. If it is ro mode you have to put it on another partition or on usb stick instead. Otherwise again you will lose rw access to your boot NTFS partition.

Another way to have save file is to create snapshots and to merge them with 1-hotROXpussy.squashfs.

You have enough tasks to test for know. Be happy and let us know if something works or not.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 20:03    Post_subject:  

Nooby, I forgot to add you need to have the word persistent in your kernel line in grub menu list in order to use live-rw file.

And one more important thing:
Do not delete live-rw file while it is in use from 1-hotROXpussy!
If you need to delete it do it from LM or Puppy or from Windows.
Otherwise you may loose the space from live-rw file and the only way to get it back is to format the partition.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 04:28    Post_subject:  

Thanks for all your efforts.

This part does not look promising at all.

"It is better to use different partition,
not the boot partition where your /live folder is located,
because this save file will mount your boot partition.

You can test to see if it will mount the boot partition in ro or rw mode.
If it is ro mode you have to put it on another partition or on usb stick instead.
Otherwise again you will lose rw access to your boot NTFS partition. "

So Debian is almost impossible to use in frugal install.

Now wonder it took years for AntiX devs to make it possible for them.
Thanks for the description how to install firefox. But without being able
to use the live-rw then what usage would I have of Pussy?

I could use LM12 instead and have a much more modern distro?

An odd thing is that when I start up Terminal and give it the command
setxkbmap se then it takes nearly 60 seconds to parse that one.

So something is very wrong there. LM12 does it in a second.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 05:18    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
Thanks for all your efforts.

This part does not look promising at all.

"It is better to use different partition,
not the boot partition where your /live folder is located,
because this save file will mount your boot partition.

You can test to see if it will mount the boot partition in ro or rw mode.
If it is ro mode you have to put it on another partition or on usb stick instead.
Otherwise again you will lose rw access to your boot NTFS partition. "

So Debian is almost impossible to use in frugal install.

Now wonder it took years for AntiX devs to make it possible for them.
Thanks for the description how to install firefox. But without being able
to use the live-rw then what usage would I have of Pussy?

I could use LM12 instead and have a much more modern distro?

An odd thing is that when I start up Terminal and give it the command
setxkbmap se then it takes nearly 60 seconds to parse that one.

So something is very wrong there. LM12 does it in a second.


Nooby, I didn't say save file on boot partition will not work for you. You have to try it to find out your self.
You can also use a snapshot instead of save file or live-rw file on a flash drive or on a different partition.

Debian is very easy to use frugal on vfat and ext partitions. As you can see it is difficult but possible on NTFS partition also.

If live-rw save file on your boot partition makes the partition to mount in read-only mode you can use live-rw on flash drive or snapshot to save your settings. But you don't know if live-rw works or not on your boot partition unless you try it.

I don't remember trying to convince you how modern is Pussy linux compared to other linux, nor to use Pussy linux instead of Linux Mint or Puppy.

The point is you can use it even on NTFS boot partition with read and write access. This was your problem and now it is solved.

60 seconds for setxkbmap: I don't know way it is so slow on your computer. This command takes 2-3 seconds on mine.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 05:22    Post_subject:  

Yes sorry. this time terminal took only 1 second. I think I used the
LX-terminal when it too some 60 seconds. Not sure. I test again.

I did my best to get the save file working but I don't have
the brain needed to get all this.
What am I supposed to do to tell it to save it to the live-rw?

Nothing happens.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 05:28    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
What am I supposed to do to tell it to save it to the live-rw?

Nothing happens.


Nooby, you need to have live-rw file on sda2 partition. Don't move it inside any folder. When you mount sda2 you have to see live-rw file and live folder next to this file.

The other thing to do is to add persistent to your kernel line.

title Pussy Linux Beta 2
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin username=root password=pussy toram=01-hotROXpussy.squashfs
initrd /live/initrd.img
boot

Then reboot and install some program. Then reboot again and see if this program is still there.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 06:08    Post_subject:  

Hehe that is what I trust I have done a few times now.
I failed making the 44-firefox opening the way you wrote.
It shows the clock that it do something but in the end
nothing happens. So I lost temper and used synaptic
and installed iceweasel instead.

Now I will reboot and see if it remains.
Edit Nope it is gone so something fails.
Could be me not good at reading your
instructions. I've done my best though
and have to give priority to other things.

A major redo of how to place furniture in my small room.
Will take days to change around.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 06:28    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:

Now I will reboot and see if it remains.
Edit Nope it is gone so something fails.
Could be me not good at reading your
instructions..


OK, Nooby,
live-rw works from NTFS partition according to debian live manual:

Quote:
But since live system users cannot always use a hard drive partition, and considering that most USB keys have poor write speeds, 'full' persistence could be also used with just image files, so you could create a file representing a partition and put this image file even on a NTFS partition of a foreign OS, with something like:

Code:
dd if=/dev/null of=live-rw bs=1G seek=1
/sbin/mkfs.ext2 -F live-rw

This will create 1Gb live-rw file.
Then copy the live-rw file to a writable partition and reboot with the boot parameter 'persistent'.


So you might be doing something wrong. Don't forget to format the live-rw file for ext2 with:
Code:
/sbin/mkfs.ext2 -F live-rw

or
Code:
mkfs.ext2 -F live-rw


Take your time.

Also check is your sda2 partition auto mounted after reboot with live-rw save file and do you still have rw access to the files on the partition.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 06:47    Post_subject:  

I hope that this project proceeds despite the recent circumstances.

No.... I haven't tried it.

But I was luke warm to Lucid, Slacko and Saluki.
To which I have given plenty of later testing.

So eventually if it becomes easy to download and run
like a regular puppy ISO can....I will give it a shot.

I just like to peek through the door now and then
to see what's happening.

Regards...Chris.
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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 07:09    Post_subject:  

I trust that this part fails

"check is your sda2 partition auto mounted after reboot with live-rw save file and do you still have rw access to the files on the partition."
I did not have access to it had to do a manua. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /mnt
It is a ext2 file though. But one have to manually do the mounting of sda2
so most likely that explains why it does not load the live-rw

Can one tell it on the command to load it before it really boot Smile

I mean to stop before it boots and there tell it to load the live-rw?

or does it goes wrong when it reboot. It never writes to it.
It still says it accessed it yesterday when I created it so
it has never got accessed ever since then. Despite me did my best
to follow your instructions. So something important is missing.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 08:23    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:

Can one tell it on the command to load it before it really boot Smile

I mean to stop before it boots and there tell it to load the live-rw?

or does it goes wrong when it reboot. It never writes to it.
It still says it accessed it yesterday when I created it so
it has never got accessed ever since then. Despite me did my best
to follow your instructions. So something important is missing.


Nooby,

the word persistent in your kernel line makes the system to look for a file called live-rw on all available partition and connected usb flash drives. It doesn't matter if they are NTFS, vfat or ext, because the live-rw save file is formated with ext2 filesystem and the system writes inside this ext2.

The live-rw file must be on the top of the partition and it must be called live-rw exactly.

Maybe something went wrong while you created the live-rw file.
Go inside /scripts/control-panel/save-file/normal/1gb-example-save-file.zip and extract this 1Gb example save file and use it to be sure it is a good one.

If it doesn't work again just to test copy this save file on a flash drive and reboot the computer with the flash drive connected. See if the save file works from the flash drive.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 08:56    Post_subject:  

Nah I don't want to add the extra complexity of having to use a USB
Sorry. I have to take care of others things now. Much appreciated
that you cared about my selfish wants and wishes.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 10:27    Post_subject:  

As you wish, Nooby.

Since I've spend some time on this problem, I've tested NTFS partition made with Gparted + 1Gb live-rw file on it and 1-hotROXpussy.squashfs loaded in RAM.
The save file works and the partition is mounted on boot.

I don't see the point to continue this test by installing Windows and by formatting the NTFS partition from Windows.

I'm sure in time this information will be useful for someone else.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 13:50    Post_subject:  

Yes this forum has/have a lot of active users
and at least some of them have windows
so it should be easy for them to jump in and
do the test.

I certainly did my best to unzip the offical live-rw file
and placed it on the / that my puppy name root.

So I have no idea why it failed. Ooops can it be this thing?

title Pussy Linux Beta 2
root=(hd0,1)
kernel /pussyhotrox/vmlinuz rw live-media-path=/pussyhotrox boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin username=root password=pussy toram=1-hotROXpussy.squashfs
initrd /pussyhotrox/initrd.img
boot


And I took the vmlinuz and the initrd.img from the Beta One of
hotRox. Where did you take it from?

If you are sure it will be important and none else want to test
then I can use your code instead but I want the word live
to be free for other OS I need to install on that HD.

So was it the code or was it the vmlinuz and the initrd.img
that where too old. I had access to none else at that moment.

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