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Lucid/Wary - Can't have keyboard and mouse attached together
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chiefwhosm

Joined: 17 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun 2011, 16:12    Post subject:  Lucid/Wary - Can't have keyboard and mouse attached together
Subject description: I can have one or the other plugged in and working, but not both.
 

Hi,
Not new exactly but along time since I really used it so considering myself a complete novice again Smile

Anyway, trying out lucid and wary, but my keyboard and mouse dont work when they're plugged in together.

If I unplug one device, the other magically starts working.

Doesn't matter which usb port I try them in.

If having got one working, I plug in the second device, it doesn't do a thing.

Any ideas, I presume its somehow thinking its the same device or something.

Keyboard is a wireless logitech pro 2000, and the mouse is a wired razer mamba.

Thanks,
Chief Smile
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 03:40    Post subject:  

If nobody posts an easier solution, you might want to try the previous version of Wary (5.1.1),
here, and then its alternate-kernel (retro) versions, here.
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 04:15    Post subject:  

Maybe some setting here will help.
menu->setup->mouse/keyboard wizard->
Choose keyboard interface.
Advanced xorg keyboard configuration.
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chiefwhosm

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 11:33    Post subject:  

Neither the old or old retro puppys fixed the problem.

As to the advanced keyboard, I had already tried it with the latest version, but on the off chance I tried it with the old/retro versions but it made no difference.

The keyboard+mouse work fine under ubuntu so I know they do work with Linux.

Chief Smile
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chiefwhosm

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 15:15    Post subject:  

I have now tried:

Lupu 501
Wary 500
Wary 5.1.2
wary-511-k2.6.31.14
Quirky 142
Puppy 430

All of them have the lack of keyboard etc problem.

Puppy 430 however, doesn't (like the others) make it to the desktop, what does happen is alot of spamming of messages, all of which were too fast to see, but then instead of starting X, spams a continous:

usb 2-1.3: reset full speed usb using ehci_hcd and address 4.

I also tried slitaz since its another slim distro, and it crashes before loading X (black screen, solid white dash top left corner).

In the case of 430 and slitaz I had forgotten to plug in my mouse, so it was only the keyboard plugged in.

I don't know if the puppy 430 message was to do with my using a usb dvd-rom drive on my pc since I don't have an internal drive.

Lot of dvd-r's used up now with the same issue Sad

Chief.
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jun 2011, 18:01    Post subject:  

Some of the versions of puppy had problems with automatic xorg setup and that explain some problems.
Try starting puppy with pfix=nox and then typing xorgwizard at the prompt.
Select vesa and then test and see if you get to a desktop with mouse and keyboard working.
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun 2011, 00:30    Post subject:  

@Chief:
What are your computer/processor/RAM specifications?
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chiefwhosm

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun 2011, 08:23    Post subject:  

I'd already tried nox but forgot to mention it, it made no difference to the problem.


computer specs:-
cpu: i7 2600k 3.4ghz quad core
ram: 8gb ddr 3 10666
hdd: vertex 2e 120gig ssd drive.
gfx: 2x(sli) geforce 560Ti cards.
soundcard: external xanta 7.1 (c-media chipset).
keyboard: logitech pro 2000 wireless keyboard
mouse: razer mamba in wired mode usb mouse.
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chiefwhosm

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun 2011, 15:46    Post subject:  

Okay so I got it mostly working with the latest wary....

1) I had to unplug both my mouse and usb external sound card.
2) I had to run through the setup using the keyboard.
3) Chose xorg, no problem got to desktop with working keyboard.
4) Plugged in mouse, now both keyboard and mouse work.
5) Rebooted and made a save file. Loaded up, everything still okay.
6) Plugged in audio card, keyboard disabled itself, mouse still worked.


So, for some reason puppy/wary/quirky doesn't like my external usb sound card. If I use the multiple sound cards wizard after plugging in the card, it shows up a usb audio device. Can't open up any mixers though, they just never load.

If I try the alsa wizard, it wipes out all known sound cards and then doesn't find any sound cards.

One final thing, tried to install xorg 7.5 from the upgrade xorg setup, said it couldn't find the package size, download failed, and on trying to install nvidia drivers, it says that I'm running vesa (despite choosing xorg and probing) and then there are no drivers for the 560ti card.

So, not quite there with a fully functional puppy but better than it was.

Chief Smile
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun 2011, 21:55    Post subject:  

chiefwhosm wrote:
I'd already tried nox but forgot to mention it, it made no difference to the problem.


computer specs:-
cpu: i7 2600k 3.4ghz quad core
ram: 8gb ddr 3 10666
hdd: vertex 2e 120gig ssd drive.
gfx: 2x(sli) geforce 560Ti cards.
soundcard: external xanta 7.1 (c-media chipset).
keyboard: logitech pro 2000 wireless keyboard
mouse: razer mamba in wired mode usb mouse.

With those specs, Puppy is probably having trouble supporting that new a hardware.

You figured out the external sound card support is not good and giving you problems.

Wary is very good, but it is designed for older hardware support.
I would go back to trying Lucid Puppy 5.2.5 with the sound card not hooked up. It has a newer Linux kernel than Wary.
Lucid Puppy 5.2.5 has:
Quickpet
provides easy selection of video drivers.
There is news web page link that has help page for tweaking and sound issues.

Lucid Puppy 5.2.5
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65136

That sound card may need some heavy troubleshooting to get working.
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chiefwhosm

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Jun 2011, 18:15    Post subject:  

Okay, so I'm now on lucid again.

Now if I plug in the sound card post-bootup then I retain control over my keyboard and mouse.

Also I was able to go into hardinfo after plugging in the sound card, and see that while its name is detected as 'usb audio card' the type is 'keyboard' so no wonder the proper keyboard stops working, puppy is incorrectly detecting the sound card as another input device.

So the next question is, is there a list of where puppy holds information regarding devices, and also where I can change it to say ( from hazy memory) snd_usb_audio for its driver.

The chipset of the card itself is the, C-Media CM6206.

Chief Smile
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Karl Godt


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2011, 04:10    Post subject:  

In kernel source I did :
grep -i CM6206 */*/*

which returned
sound/usb/quirks.c: * C-Media CM6206 is based on CM106 with two additional
sound/usb/quirks.c:static int snd_usb_cm6206_boot_quirk(struct usb_device *dev)
sound/usb/quirks.c: /* C-Media CM6206 / CM106-Like Sound Device */
sound/usb/quirks.c: return snd_usb_cm6206_boot_quirk(dev);

So is your Sound Card a PCI ( builtin ) or an USB ?
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disciple

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2011, 05:14    Post subject:  

chiefwhosm wrote:
where I can change it to say ( from hazy memory) snd_usb_audio for its driver.

I'm no expert on this, so hopefully the others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guess there is some module that is being incorrectly loaded when you plug in the sound card. If this is the case you would just need to blacklist the offending module - Puppy's startup configuration wizard (I'm not sure exactly what this is called now) should have a button for blacklisting modules. How would you find the offending module? I guess you would compare the output of `lsmod` before and after plugging the sound card in.

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Karl Godt


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2011, 05:27    Post subject:  

It is the "BootManager" in the "System" part of the "Menu" .

'bootmanager' would be its cmdline name .

It edites "/etc/rc.d/MODULESCONFIG" ,

but perhaps you also need to give an entry like

'blacklist snd-usb-audio'

in the relevant files for modprobe
( /etc/modprobe.conf , /etc/modprobe.d/* ) .

Code:
modprobe -l | grep snd-usb


shows several of them . If you don't need them , blacklist them all .

And check the modprobe.conf files , if alsaconf had written some

'alias snd-usb-audio'

into it .
These needs also be commented by '#' as first char or deleted .
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Jun 2011, 04:50    Post subject:  

Quote:
If you don't need them , blacklist them all .

Presumably he needs something, otherwise he would just unplug the card Wink

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