Fatdog64-520 beta 1

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James C · #21 Post by **James C** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 02:06

Fatdog64-520 live multi-session dvd. Initial boot had working and correct sound,internet and display.

-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 3796MB (263MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.50
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Tue 21 Jun 2011 09:14:01 PM GMT+5
-Display-
Resolution : 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter : PC-Speaker - pcsp
Audio device : nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio
VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]

# glxgears
2481 frames in 5.0 seconds = 496.179 FPS
2517 frames in 5.0 seconds = 503.386 FPS
2540 frames in 5.0 seconds = 507.864 FPS
2551 frames in 5.0 seconds = 510.005 FPS
2553 frames in 5.0 seconds = 510.537 FPS
2525 frames in 5.0 seconds = 504.867 FPS
2587 frames in 5.0 seconds = 517.368 FPS

playdayz · #22 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 02:22

kirk wrote:playdayz,

Did you have the same problem with 511 and that radeon? Did you try radeon.modeset=1? Really need that info.

No, as I remember there was no problem with FD 511 and the radeon. I will test modeset. As I recall, in Lucid we used a file to activate that (modeset=1 for radeons) all of the time. I will boot Lucid and tell you what it was.

kirk · #23 Post by **kirk** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 02:43

No, as I remember there was no problem with FD 511 and the radeon. I will test modeset. As I recall, in Lucid we used a file to activate that (modeset=1 for radeons) all of the time. I will boot Lucid and tell you what it was.

Yes, that would be set in modprobe.d. radeon.modeset=1 actually breaks my box with the hd5500, but it's connected to a TV by a HDMI cable. So maybe HDMI is not well supported by the KMS driver. That's why I'm asking to see what would be the best default.

playdayz · #24 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 02:45

Results: I edited the boot parameters and inserted radeon.modeset=1. I had previously verified that the radeon driver was specified in xorg.conf. Xorg started to a frozen screen, with a predominantly white pattern on it Wink After CTRL-ALT-BS, I had a blank screen. I did this twice. When I used radeon.modeset=0, the boot process failed to get even to starting X.

I misremembered, in lucid we have a file /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf that contains options i915 modeset=1. I do remember that 945G and a few others were a pain without that (but we don have that for radeon).

The radeonhd driver seems to be working well. Oh, I should say this card is an HD 3850. (I also have a 4650 I can test.)

I moved these down here.

Billtoo · #25 Post by **Billtoo** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 04:19

kirk wrote:Bill,

Did you have the same results with the ATI box and 511? Could you try booting radeon.modeset=1. I have a Radeon hd500 which works poorly by default, but it did with 511 too. The radeonhd driver works well with it though. To use the radeonhd driver run the Xorgwizard from the menu to create a detailed xorg.conf. Then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver from "radeon" to "radeonhd".

I swapped the monitor for another one, the one I was using has an hdmi
port and it seems to cause problems with anything other than vesa.
But on other pups I can install the proprietary driver and it's okay
after doing that.

My menu.lst line is this:
kernel /fatdog520b1/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=fatdog520b1 fatdog radeon.modeset=1 pfix=fsck

The xorg.conf is:
#Special base config file used in Puppy Linux.

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"
Option "AutoAddDevices" "False" # No HAL
Option "DontZap" "false"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
#Driver "radeonhd"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Monitor "Configured Monitor"
Device "Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "MatchDevicePath" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

If I change the menu.lst line it throws a wrench into the works and
x won't start.
It boots to the desktop everytime this way, videos play fine.
# glxgears
3550 frames in 5.0 seconds = 709.835 FPS
3559 frames in 5.0 seconds = 711.612 FPS
3562 frames in 5.0 seconds = 712.353 FPS
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.9.5
OpenGL
Vendor Mesa Project
Renderer Software Rasterizer
Version 2.1 Mesa 7.10.2
Direct Rendering Yes

Lobster · #26 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 04:31

You mean fatdog pfix=ram if booting from CD or just pfix=ram from GRUB.

I forgot to use 'fatdog pfix=ram' instead of 'puppy pfix=ram', basically that would explain why the old settings were retained . . . most puplets use 'puppy pfix=ram' method - many thanks

Ray MK · #27 Post by **Ray MK** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 08:59

Hi kirk

Booted from CD on my new laptop (e-machines E732)
after copying FD-520.sfs to sda3 NTFS partition.

Within a matter of only a few seconds I’m looking at a fully populated desktop. Fantastic.

Edited xorg.conf to setup touch-pad (before I noticed Adjust Touch Pad in the Setup menu), restarted X and all good.

Set timezone and locale, noticed frisbee was a bit slow to allocate an IP address, (I like frisbee and pwireless but on this particular laptop they don’t seem so happy - not sure why), so I used the Network Wizard to setup wifi - nice, ultra quick, fairly easy and seems to be a good belt and braces alternative for when frisbee doesn’t want to play.

Installed htop-0.9x86_64.pet from FD64-511 (works fine) and then installed JRB’s SFS-TCZ_Linker-2.2.pet, loaded Opera-11.11x86_64.sfs on the fly (ie live - no save_file) and bingo - here I am.

Very nice puppy, very frugal on resources and seems to be even faster than FD64-511, must be special FD64-520 magic and the new kernel.

Many, many thanks to all involved in the making making of this absolutely superb puppy.

Much appreciation and very best regards - Ray.

kirk · #28 Post by **kirk** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 11:27

Bill,

If I change the menu.lst line it throws a wrench into the works and
x won't start.
It boots to the desktop everytime this way, videos play fine.

So when not using HDMI, you have to have radeon.modset=1 on your kernel line or you get a black screen, correct? If you're using the HDMI port vesa is the only working option? If your kernel line was this:

kernel /fatdog520b1/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=fatdog520b1 pfix=fsck

and you're connected to HDMI you get a black screen?

Same results with 511?

Playdaz,

Are you using HdMI?

Ray MK,

Thanks for the report. Sorry about the ironlake graphics

Billtoo · #29 Post by **Billtoo** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 13:28

Billtoo · #30 Post by **Billtoo** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 13:42

Billtoo wrote:
kirk wrote:Bill,
If I change the menu.lst line it throws a wrench into the works and
x won't start.
It boots to the desktop everytime this way, videos play fine.

So when not using HDMI, you have to have radeon.modset=1 on your kernel line or you get a black screen, correct?

It boots up and when it tries to load x it fails and I am left at the prompt,if I enter xorgwizard two or three times and then xwin it will go to the desktop.

If you're using the HDMI port vesa is the only working option?

myke · #31 Post by **myke** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 14:57

I did an update: 511-->520. Booted up right into the desktop with WPA2 wifi accessed from frisbee automatically.

Had a problem with firefox 4.01 but had seamonkey. So, I checked: lost symbolic link to Downloads in fatdog64 directory. (Own fault as had renamed original directory to fatdog64-old). Remade link as absolute from spot directory.

Tried firefox again from menu and then from desktop, failed. Tried from console from rox-firefox on /usr/local/bin failed with no application.ini.

Downloaded firefox 5.0 - Aurora via wget -c into Downloads and installed successfully.

Thank you,

myke

myke · #32 Post by **myke** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 15:42

Somehow, my hardware clock preferences were lost during the update and so I edited rc.country by hand to get UTC hwclock with my time zone.

Firefox is very fast and responsive (I don't use NoScript but use dictionaries for the languages I use plus adblock plus, element helper and no popup plus ghostery without the alert showing).

All in all, like it very much.

myke

playdayz · #33 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 16:02

Playdaz,

Are you using HdMI?

HD 3850 is using the analog connector for a Viewsonic A90. radeon.modeset=1 was added to the menu.lst for grub booting. With modeset the computer boots to a frozen white screen--it's like the monitor can't handle the signal. I think the pattern on the screen changes when hitting the keyboard. CTRL-Alt-BS changes to a blank screen. Booting the CD with fatdog radeon.modeset=1 gives the same behavior, except the frozen screen is multi-colored. After CTRL-Alt-BS the light on the monitor goes out after a few seconds of the blank screen.

HD 4650 is using the DVI connector for an Acer 1680x1050 LCD monitor. radeon.modeset=1 was added to the boot parameters booting the CD (fatdog radeon.modeset=1). This one booted to a blank screen--and after a few seconds the light on the monitor went off as if it weren't getting a signal.

Without radeon.modeset=1, both computers boot with the radeon driver and have the problem with bad movement on screen and bad scrolling. After changing to the radeonhd driver, both cards work fine.

.

Billtoo · #34 Post by **Billtoo** » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 21:06

I did a full install on my acer desktop which has the nvidia 8600gt
graphics card in it.
I used sfs_load-1.1.pet to load the devx and I used the bootmanager to
blacklist the nouveau kernel module.
Then changed the kernel line in the menu.lst file to:

kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro fatdog nomodeset pfix=vesa

and rebooted,exited to the prompt and ran the NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-275.09.07.run
driver,did xwin to get back to the desktop, and changed the menu.lst line
back to original.

OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 275.09.07
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
51323 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10264.538 FPS
51360 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10271.984 FPS
51392 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10278.376 FPS

that's better.

myke · #35 Post by **myke** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 02:33

As I said before, I like Emacs and I had tried and failed to get a 64bit Ubuntu package to install in fatdog64.

So I did the next best thing, which is to compile zile, a CLI, mini-version clone of Emacs. I attach a pet, which installs to /usr/local/bin but it runs from any console.

myke

rcrsn51 · #36 Post by **rcrsn51** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 08:42

CUPS issues:

1. The file /etc/cups/snmp.conf needs to be world-readable. Otherwise, CUPS cannot detect network printers.

2. The folder /usr/share/cups/model is missing. Some printer installers will fail if they can't find that folder.

3. When attempting to change the Server settings (eg. to share published printers), CUPS asks for a password. But "root" and "woofwoof" doesn't work. The easiest solution is to comment out line 42 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.

Code: Select all

Require user @System

Also, I notice that Fatdog does not contain nmblookup from the Samba client package. Could it be included?

gcmartin · #37 Post by **gcmartin** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 14:35

@Myke, I see how Emacs has a place.
Should the community use GNU-Emacs or even XEmacs?
Thoughts

myke · #38 Post by **myke** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 16:27

Gcmartin,

XEmacs at 21.4.22 (2009) does not seem to be that active. I use GNU Emacs at 23.3 (2011.03) whenever I can. For fatdog64, I tried the amd64 deb from Ubuntu and it failed to install (incompatible dbus version). I have installed zile and also notGNU, two Emacs clones. The advantage of notGNU is that it has abbrev-mode. (For notGNU, you need to:

ln -s libncursesw.so.5 libtinfo.so.5 in lib64).

I prefer the full Emacs as I use it normally for e-mails, text and document starter files with text-mode and longlines-mode. That way I get a soft EOL, which is disregarded when copied into e-mails, etc. (You can set the column break for the longlines). The chief reason is that I am dyslexic and need to use Ctrl-t constantly.

zile has highlighted region, registers but only auto-fill-mode, no others. Docs, hard to find, are at ftp://ftp.ipv4.heanet.ie/disk1/www.gnu. ... index.html

notGNU from http://www.mistl.org/notgnu/ has abbrev-mode. and a fuller command set than zile. You can get a 64bit binary for notGNU (a/k/a not) from the url above. I copied it to /usr/local/bin.

I was wrong in my previous post. You can run either one from any console.

myke

Billtoo · #39 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 16:41

I installed 520b1 to a 4gb flash drive and am running it from my acer
netbook which has ati graphics but it didn't need any change to the
menu.lst kernel line to boot and go to the desktop.
Broadcom wireless is working fine too.

Thu 23 Jun 2011 Operating System: Fatdog64-520 Linux 2.6.38.8
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: RS880M 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1024x600 pixels (270x158 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RS880 9712) 20090101 TCL
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.10.2

AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo K125 Processor
Core 0: 1695 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0
2937 frames in 5.0 seconds = 587.272 FPS
2962 frames in 5.0 seconds = 592.394 FPS
2962 frames in 5.0 seconds = 592.236 FPS

edit:
I moved the 4gb flash drive to my laptop and it booted to the
desktop, changed the resolution automatically.
I had to right click on frisbee icon to get the wireless network going
again but that's all it took.
Thu 23 Jun 2011 Operating System: Fatdog64-520 Linux 2.6.38.8
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: PARK 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.10.2

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 430
Core 0: 2260 1: 2260 2: 2260 3: 2260 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
2973 frames in 5.0 seconds = 594.518 FPS
3716 frames in 5.0 seconds = 743.060 FPS
3258 frames in 5.0 seconds = 651.529 FPS

gcmartin · #40 Post by **gcmartin** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 16:55

Running LiveCD, I was having some video anomolies. But, I've rebooted using 'fatdog nouveau.modeset=1 pfix=ram" and so far, the video is OK.

May want to add TazOC's "report-video-glx" PET to replace the report-video. It gives a little more information which could prove useful.

Findings
When the hostname is changed (required to not have 2 PCs on the LAN with the same hostname...so I am, like most, required to change from the default) the /etc/hosts file is NOT being updated reflecting that change.

Further, some of the lines within /etc/hosts are bogus as they do not apply to my local LANs. Some routers and some LAN admins do NOT USE 192.168.1.x. So for FATDOG purposes, this information is errant when the LAN IPs in that file are NOT in that current real IP range.

What I've found out is that simple changing the etc file with a single line showing current IP and current hostname seemingly is addressing all uses for ROX speed and local PC desktop needs.

Please review current hostname handling and confirm what I report. And, there are probably some automated ways to have a correct single line of information in the /etc/hosts file at startup

Hope this helps.

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