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Colonel Panic
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#976 Post by Colonel Panic »

nitehawk wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote: I can't remember how much RAM you have available on your machines, so I'll just go from my own experience.
..my main computer (Dell Optiplex GX270...(P4) has 1G ram
Dell PIII ...512M
HP Vectra PIII ..512M

I just threw VectorLinux 7 back on the Dell PIII,...but it sure is acting "sluggish" . Seems to take a second or two to open any apps. Racy Puppy just flies on that thing. Actually,...for some reason, Racy (and Quirky 1.4) work a LOT better on my PIIIs than Wary does (?)
And just plain vanilla Slackware 14 runs a lot better on the PIIIs than Vector does as well. Disappointed in Vector.

My brother (a retired electronics tech) has mentioned that he has a nice IBM P4 (3Ghz,...maybe about 2 or 3 G ram) that he wants to give to me,..since he has much bigger and powerful machines (and no longer needs it).

I am sure that 'puter could run Mint Debian. (Would be nice).
Actually,...my dear brother just gave me a box of older hard drives he no longer needs, too (he just got several "Trillabites" (sp?) hard drives. So I am now blessed with about (3) 165G HDs,...(1) 125G,...and (5) 40G HDs. ooooooh,...fun, fun!
Excellent! That IBM machine would run Mint Debian with no problem and those extra hard drives would be useful too.

I'm posting from Vector 7 at the moment as it happens. It probably is slow compared to Puppy Racy et al., but I think it's pretty fast compared to some other distros and certainly compared to Windows (even XP, never mind 7).

I don't think Vector is as big an advance on Slackware as it used to be though. When I first used it in 2006, Slackware was hard to set up whereas it's a lot easier now. so Vector's "competitive advantage" is a lot less now IMO. You do get quite a nice XFCE interface with Vector though and the Quick Picks package manager is quite good too.
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#977 Post by nooby »

http://distrowatch.com/7773
"The team is proud to announce the release of LMDE 201303. Highlights: Update Pack 6; MATE 1.4 and Cinnamon 1.6; installer improvements (graphical time zone and keyboard selection, support for installation on multiple hard disk drives, slideshow, webcam and face picture support); device driver manager; Plymouth splash screen. LMDE in brief: Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) is a semi-rolling distribution based on Debian 'Testing'. It's available in both 32-bit and 64-bit variants as a live DVD with MATE or Cinnamon. The purpose of LMDE is to look identical to the main edition and to provide the same functionality while using Debian as a base."
Mate and Cinnamon are big are they not?
Why do people like them? What is better?

the iso is about 1.2GB so one need a 2 GB USB
if one want to test it using IsoBooter.
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#978 Post by nooby »

When Linus Torvalds studied computing at his University
in Finland they used Minix as a the test OS to learn from

Him got interested in how one set things up and
Linux Kernel got created.

Minix is still used as a tool for to teach students.

Would be cool if one could get it booting on USB
has any of you tested and can share how to set it up?

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue ... 18#feature
http://distrowatch.com/minix
The latest release of MINIX, version 3.2.1, comes with a number of important improvements. The MINIX operating system now supports dynamically linked libraries, system performance has been improved, new hardware drivers have been added to the project and the userland utilities have been updated. Perhaps the most promising feature available to MINIX users is a ports system which assists administrators in compiling and installing third-party software which might otherwise only be available to other operating systems such as NetBSD.

The MINIX operating system can be downloaded as a 256MB compressed image. Once this file has been downloaded it can be expanded to its full 680MB size, still small enough to fit on a CD. The big hurdle to using MINIX is hardware support. Despite the addition of new drivers being accepted into the project, getting the operating system running can be tricky. In addition, MINIX does not yet have 64-bit support for Intel machines nor does it feature ARM support, though both are being actively developed. I tried MINIX on physical hardware and in VirtualBox without any luck. I was able to get the small operating system running inside a QEMU virtual machine and there I found MINIX ran quite well.
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#979 Post by nitehawk »

Colonel Panic wrote:
I'm posting from Vector 7 at the moment as it happens. It probably is slow compared to Puppy Racy et al., but I think it's pretty fast compared to some other distros and certainly compared to Windows (even XP, never mind 7).

I don't think Vector is as big an advance on Slackware as it used to be though. When I first used it in 2006, Slackware was hard to set up whereas it's a lot easier now. so Vector's "competitive advantage" is a lot less now IMO. You do get quite a nice XFCE interface with Vector though and the Quick Picks package manager is quite good too.
Actually,....I think the problem was not with VectorLinux 7,...but with my old Dell PIII. I just put Vector back on my main P4,...and it's doing just fine!
Vector is my "Go-To" distro. When I get sick and tired of trying other distros...(or they just don't work like I want them to,)...I always seem to just go right back to Vector. I was running Slackware,...but Vector is so much easier to set up and get running. I like Debian for all the apps and software,....but I'm spoiled to Vector and Puppies.

...and I'm not holding my breath about getting that nicer IBM computer,...as my brother forgets about what he promiced at times :lol:

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#980 Post by Billtoo »

I installed the 64bit Linux Mint 201303 "Debian" on my laptop.
It's looking nice, I can still boot Fatdog64 from an SDHC card as well
:)
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#981 Post by nooby »

I tested LMDE using rcrsn51 isobooter
on a 2GB usb and that worked well.
One can edit files and save them back to the
HD on the computer and it boots fast. Country keyboard
I go into terminal and write setxkbmap se so if you are
from other country just replace se with no, dk, de, fr, nl, es, whatever needed.

I have thought of that it should be an easy way to make a full
install to a usb but then that has to be a bigger one than 2gb?

wonder how much wear and tear it would produce on that usb flash?
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#982 Post by Billtoo »

nooby wrote: I have thought of that it should be an easy way to make a full
install to a usb but then that has to be a bigger one than 2gb?

wonder how much wear and tear it would produce on that usb flash?
I booted the live dvd and used the mint installer to install it to a
fast 16gb 60MB/s SDHC card.
I told the installer to install grub to the SDHC card, I can boot from
the hard drive by pressing f12 during startup and choosing the boot
device.
Grub4dos is the bootloader on the hard drive and has all my puppy
installs listed there.
Working good so far :)
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OperaOS

#983 Post by Adagio »

This seems to have slipped under the radar.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/operaos/

2011 project based on Slitaz-3. Only 65MB.
All you get is a browser/email.

Just tried it.
Great, if you are a fan of Slitaz, as I am.

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#984 Post by nooby »

So they use Opera instead of Midori/FireFox?

Did you do full install on a separate partition on the HD
or on a usb formatted to Fat32 or

did you do frugal install on NTFS? What code to get it to boot?
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#985 Post by Adagio »

I refer you to your post which has the menu.lst entry for Slitaz.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 429c86d4a4

For me, Slitaz is for remastering.

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#986 Post by nooby »

Yes that one was for Slitaz 3.0 so that may work
since then he has changed to Slitaz 4.0 and made
changes of kernel? In forum some complain that
their computers are not comapatible with the new kernel.

I found the boot code for a firefox core version of S4

title SliTaz 4.0 frugal root root lacks get-flash-plugin
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /sz4boot/bzIimage slitaz lang=en kmap=fi-latin1 rw root=/dev/null vga=normal autologin
initrd /sz4boot/rootfs.gz

if you know how to make a home=sda1 then you can add that one
to the kernel line but me having ntfs seems to be out of luck?

What I don't like about Slitaz 4.0 are that it does not have AdobeFlash
and it does not play MP4 out of the box and if one can not save
changes to home=sda1 then it is too much work to make use of it.
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#987 Post by Colonel Panic »

Hope everyone's had or having a good Easter :).

With still no sign of WattOS I've installed Sparky 2.1 and, because I'm not over keen on its standard desktop, changed the window manager from Openbox to Fluxbox (but kept Conky), and it's working well. It's a good and lightweight distro although somewhat purist (Iceweasel rather than Firefox, for example).
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#988 Post by tubeguy »

I went from XP to 7 on the Windows box. Kinda wish I hadn't but I don't want to spend half the day going back. Will be sticking with Precise for the foreseeable future, I just can't seem to break it or slow it down.
[b]Tahr Pup 6 on desktop, Lucid 3HD on lappie[/b]

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#989 Post by kooliepup »

http://www.linuxliteos.com/

I really like this, for a Ubuntu-based distro.
Not all that light, by Puppy standards, but does have some good stuff in it.
Root logins, remasterable, intelligent menuing, quite fast.

It's a goer.
There's no place like 127.0.0.1

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#991 Post by rokytnji »

64gig new ssd drive on my M&A companion Netbook. AntiX 13 beta 2 (base iso)
Pretty much like a atom based 9" netbook. wireless is internal usb instead of pci.
Best version yet.
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#992 Post by nooby »

Testing the latest Fuduntu which works good
using IsoBooter that rcrsn51 have a thread about.

Edit I wrote using Fuduntu when I wrote this :)
Now I edit when back in lupu again.

Very easy to prepare on a 2GB USB stick
even I could do it. I can see flash on Youtube
and local TV and it has VLC mediaplayer
and I can access the HD and play my music files
and I can edit my HTML files and save them
without needing to be root or to use su or any such.

What does not work is to save changes like keyboard setting
or date and time setting.

But it is a great way to get to know other distros.
Take at most a minute to change from one OS to another
on same USB formatting it using gparted and adding the iso
and the isobooter file and then it just works .
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#993 Post by nooby »

I want to test frugal install of latest
Slax 7.0.6 and Porteus 2.0
Here is the code I want to try out. different versions for grub4dos

title Slax 7.0.6 March 2013
kernel (hd0,0)/slax/boot/vmlinuz vga=773 load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 rw printk.time=0 slax.flags=perch,xmode
initrd (hd0,0)/slax/boot/initrfs.img


title Porteus 2.0 or slax login=root root toor
root (hd0,0)
kernel /porteusboot/syslinux/vmlinuz from_dev=/dev/sda1 from_dir=/porteus login=root changes=/porteus/porteussave.dat max_loop=256 fsck kmap=se
initrd /porteusboot/syslinux/initrd.xz


I finally got the courage to test both of them and had success.
i made frugal install on NTFS formatted HD the default Ms Vista desktop.

Slax had Firefox 19.0.02 IIRC
but Porteus had FF 17.x and both told me they where updated.
so that is somethign me had problem with on Puppy Slacko too
but managed to get 20.0 to work on Puppy Lupu 528-005
Both Slax and Porteus had Adobe Flash built in as I remember

Then feeling victorious I also tested Knoppix 7.0
but unfortunate it did not have Adobe Flash built in.

All three can save in a kind of save file on the HD.
So them do frugal and persistence.

Which others are there that can do frugal on NTFS?
I am starting to forget. I know Gparted do due to being slax?
but it has old firefox and not much of multimedia it is
only a rescue OS so what to expect.
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#994 Post by mcewanw »

I've also been trying out Porteus 2.0 (32 bit version) on my old Pentium-M 1.6GHz 1GByte laptop. I particularly like the Razor Qt desktop version, which seems to run fine on this old machine.

I like Porteus, because it has a facility that reminds me of tinycore: you can simply add and remove installed applications by simply moving the respective application module in or out of their storage folder. The only problem I'm having with it is that I can't get cpufreq scaling to work properly; I like to run my old laptop cool, and Puppy Slacko lets me do that correctly.

It would certainly be very easy to produce a very small (or large and full) Porteus distribution via mix and match. The apps supplied by default in the Razor Qt desktop version are a nice choice though (including firefox, gimp and easypaint, avidemux (video editor), perl and gcc development environment). I also note that it includes a thunor version of gtkdialog (and Pburn) so probably very easy to get most Puppy gtkdialog apps running on it (murga forum puppy developer big_bass adopting Porteus may be behind that...).

All in all, I find Porteus a lovely, quite sophisticated small Linux distribution with Slackware compatibility (so tons of available apps). The main concern I have, however, is how long a distribution ends up being supported, which includes how many developers and testers are active. Only time will tell. Puppy has been around a long time; that support (including this forum) is one of its greatest strengths. I hope Porteus becomes as popular as Puppy for that same reason, and hopefully end up with a nice active forum too.
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On this class of machine (Pent-M 1600MHz) Slacko 5.3.3 wins

#995 Post by mcewanw »

Much though I like the lovely polish of Razor QT desktop Porteus 2, it remains the case, however, that on this Pentium mobile 1.6 GHz laptop machine at least, Slacko 5.3.3 runs in the available resources much better. Youtube videos play fullscreen faultlessly in Slacko 5.3.3 on this machine whereas Porteus stutters badly using 100% CPU when displaying less than half a fullscreen video... But as far as I remember, in earlier tests, Slacko 5.5 stutters on this old Pent-M when playing videos too... Good old Slacko 5.3.3 stays, but I will be using Porteus elsewhere because I love the ease by which it can be customised loading and unloading packages (Porteus "modules").
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