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amigo · Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 1758

What is it about frugal install that makes so few Developers interested in allowing it for their OS?

It'S because when you do a 'frugal install' on NTFS, then that means that all your installation and files are dependent on the integrity of a non-linux, non-open-source, and (nearly) non-repairable file sytsem. That means that any time you have a problem and ask questions about it, they always have to deal with the possibility that you have corrupted your non-linux filesystem. You say, for example, 'I can't login or access my files -I get 'Permission Denied'. They have no way of telling if it is because you have a problem within your/their Linux system, or maybe your NTFS has become corrupted and can no longer be mounted read-write -hence denying you access. The last thing they want is to be dealing with possible Linux problems.

I'll again advise you that you shouldn't expose yourself to windows problems either. I know you want to keep a windows install so you can update your phones, etc. Why don't you simply keep a computer with windoes on it that you never use for anythign else. Then have your nice Linux box -or even a dual install with windows also. By allowing yourself the luxury of instaling linux, then you have complete freedom to use (nearly) any linux distro you want -in a way which is more intuitive and common than running from CD or from a 'frugal install'. You might even find a distro which caters more to your special needs than most do -there are several distros out there for older folks or people with special problems.

Your understanding and ability to use what you are running would increase greatly if you stopped jumping around all the time. For every-day use, I still rely on a system which I installed, setup and customized more than five years ago. I still like it because I know my way around it, know what it can and can't do, and it *always* works.

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9386 Location: SwedenEurope

I agree that you give good advice.

Typical of me I have no idea which
computer I should ahve as the Win
and which as only Linux on.

Maybe the big desktop is best suited for Windows only.
I had spotify on that one and could do a copy of those
spotify that I longed for to have a copy of.

Better quality then the analog copy I do using linux?

Unless linux also make a digital copy?

But I am just one out of some 90% that has Windows
and many of these people don't have two computers.

I have 5 computer even 6 if I count the one without HD.
I use that one to run grub2 over Flash for those OS that
need grub2. Okay my Asus EeePC is only linux on.
Butthat one have very small and very old SSD on them.
Very slow such too. So I have than in a drawer as a reserve
if my two Acer netbooks get broken.

I am a spoiled kid. The "jump around" is for to survive.
To make life interesting. A kind of weird hobby.

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky

Trying out the latest AntiX release candidate....... pretty impressive.

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky

Full desktop screenie......

Colonel Panic · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1225

bark_bark_bark · Posted: Mon 30 Jul 2012, 10:05 Post subject:

NTFS is a lot more reliable than FAT32. FAT32 was introduced in the horribly unstable Win9x. The XP/Vista/7 versions of FAT32 are just ported/emulated versions. I prefer NTFS all the way.

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9386 Location: SwedenEurope

bark_bark_bark · Posted: Mon 30 Jul 2012, 13:05 Post subject:

No, but why would you use a windows NT-based filesystem for linux. I HIGHLY doubt there is a tool, but you can use windows for that (like defragler, a tool by the creators of CCleaner).

Colonel Panic · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1225

bark_bark_bark · Posted: Mon 30 Jul 2012, 13:45 Post subject:

greengeek · Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 1184 Location: New Zealand

linuxbear · Posted: Mon 30 Jul 2012, 14:51 Post subject:

I would back puppy up before a defrag. I made the mistake of running defrag with my Puppy-on-a-stick plugged into the USB port. The result was that Puppy would no longer boot from the USB pendrive

gcmartin · Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 2630 Location: Earth

puppyluvr · Posted: Mon 30 Jul 2012, 20:14 Post subject:

Hello,
NTFS is just M$`s attempt to obfuscate and maintain proprietary control...
Fat 32 is an acceptable FS.. But a journaled FS like ext3 is far superiour..

Ext2IFS_1_11a.exe, attached below, works OK for me..

Tip: To "defrag" a Linux FS, copy the contents out, and back... Ta-da....

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9386 Location: SwedenEurope

Thanks puppyluvr .

I do remember that I've read about that trick before.

Suppose my hardisk is 250 MB and I have already
used say 200GB would one really trust a program
to be able to do that trick on it?

But I would maybe be able to defrag one iso at a time
and isos are very sensitive to be fragmented.

They refuse to boot if they are too fragmented.