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#316 Post by Billtoo »

I've been using ubuntu 11.10 for a couple of weeks, it has some nice
features such as the update manager which shows available security
updates,recommended updates, etc.
The Ubuntu Software Centre is nice too.
I'm even getting used to entering my password often.

I still use puppy daily, I doubt if that will change anytime soon :)

EDIT: I put another buntu (Xubuntu 11.10) on an Athlon dual core pc today, it's working nice too.
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#317 Post by nooby »

But is it not true that you need to do a full install?

I mean how useful is it used in "Live Session User mode"
using frugal install?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#318 Post by Billtoo »

nooby wrote:But is it not true that you need to do a full install?

I mean how useful is it used in "Live Session User mode"
using frugal install?
I did a full install, I can still run puppy from a flash drive or run the live dvd with a save file on a usb drive etc.

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#319 Post by Colonel Panic »

Colonel Panic wrote:A quick update; I've now downloaded Quelitu and run it live. It looks good and runs well on my old Compaq, but like Nooby I wasn't able to install Flash in a live session, so for the time being it's another distro to keep in "reserve".

I've also tried CTKArch, a live disk based on Arch Linux, but the hard drive install failed to produce a working XOrg on my machine so at the moment I can't recommend that one either (unless you want to get to grips with how Arch works, for which it's probably very good).

1,000 posts here I come!
Another quick update; CTKArch works just fine without an xorg,conf file (apparently the newest versions of Xorg don't need it). So I'm posting from CTKArch now, having added a good compliment of extras from the Arch repositories.

The software is a bit antiquated for a 2012 distro (Firefox 4.0 for a start) but it all seems to work well. Its author is a 20 year old French guy;

http://ctkarch.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1&t_id=17

P.S. 1,000 posts now; do I say "Yay!" or "Oh hell!"?
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#320 Post by Aitch »

CP wrote:P.S. 1,000 posts now; do I say "Yay!" or "Oh hell!"?
It's a matter of choice!

I say, 'Where have you been hiding?....'
I joined after you, but have nearly 6500 posts, and have tried both 'Yay' and 'Oh Hell' a few times, but still keep posting as I can't make my mind up which to choose :wink:

I'm currently drawn to look at bodhi and mint-xfce out of boredom, I might add ctkarch, too, thanks

Aitch :)

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#321 Post by kooliepup »

Bodhi is so good.

It is just the basics, and you have to add the apps you want.
That's what I like.

Apps are easy to install.
It can be VERY easily remastered with Remastersys (included).
You can set a root password and run as root.

Enjoy it.
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#322 Post by nooby »

oops I have some 7000 that is kind of surprising :)

Anyway I feel so envy about all those geeks that get
CorePlus going. I totally failed to get what RobertS
told the fans of TinyCore to do and I don't dare to ask
them again. They seems very irritated when one fail to
get their instructions.

Here is what one guy say on DW.
63 • Tiny Core (by DJ on 2012-01-27 11:51:49 GMT from Germany)

I think here is something everyone should know;

When getting started with the Core Project you have 3 different download options: Core, TinyCore, and CorePlus. TinyCore and CorePlus are simply Core plus additional extensions.

TinyCore (12 MB) - This is the recommended option for new users who have a wired network connection. It includes the base Core system plus extensions for a FLWM graphical desktop environment.

CorePlus (48 MB) - This is the recommended option for new users who only have a wireless network connection or who use a non-US keyboard layout. It includes the base Core System and extensions to provide the following: 6 Window Manager options, Wireless support, an installer, non-US keyboard support, and a remastering tool.
Oh Dear I am not a new user I am a too old user so I fail to
get how one do CorePlus.
Even to chose which one of the six WM is beyond me.

why on earth can they not allow that somebody smart
make a standard Puppy out of CorePlus so one can learn
how the end result should look like. Now one need to be
really smart to get it.

Have any of you done a frugal install of CorePlus?
How did you do it? Any suggestion?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#323 Post by nooby »

kooliepup, they have sad news for you over at DW comments.

User forlin writes
68 • Bodhi and Bloathi (by forlin on 2012-01-28 13:47:54 GMT from Portugal)
Samsung, the powerful Enlightenment patron,
is not interested at all about the E17 desktop
environment. The direct consequence is that Rasterman,
the Enlightenment founder, is currently developing it
himself, but almost alone. E17 just works, but it's not
progressing a inch.

Bodhi appeared at a time when there was almost any
decent E17 Linux distro.

Strong ambition and the users wish for a good E17 distro,
were the basis for its meteoric success.
Unfortunately, Bodhi founder is not is not the kind of a
Judd Vinet person. He says he can't even program, and
(excluding mediocre PR) showed little to none interest
about promoting E17 from inside Bodhi.

I see his kind of ambition as one driven by the wish to be
in the spotlight, and he did very well on that.

The problem is about the Bodhi future. It's tied to the E17
future and considering the current panorama, chances are
in 10 years, Bodhi will be just at where it is today.
More or less Bloathi will not change that.
Another small Ubuntu is PepperMint they have similar
ideas but maybe they are not into E17. Is that the main
reason you like it?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#324 Post by kooliepup »

Nooby,

I like it for many reasons.
That does not mean that I am wedded to it.
I always go with whatever is best (IMHO) for a particular purpose.
Bodhi is my current live CD for online use.
It is better, for me, than anything else, including Puppy.
The remastered CD loads faster than a Puppy remaster
(and before anyone tells me, again, that Puppy live loads in 19 seconds or something,
I will say rename the whatever.sfs that is on your hard disc,
so it stops reading that instead of the one on the CD, and try again),
and it remasters better than Puppy,
and uses the best Network Manager.

I do like e17, but that is not a prime attraction.
e17 is a PIA for newcomers to it, and it is understandable why so many hate it.

When something better than Bodhi comes along, I'll use it.

Puppy is my choice for most other uses.
I have numerous Puppies set up, frugal-in-folder, for specific activities.
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#325 Post by Colonel Panic »

Just a tip for anyone who tries CTKArch (or ArchBang) and finds the theme a bit too dark in either case; fvwm-crystal (which can easily be installed from the arch repo) compliments it very well and is a very good, lightweight and attractive WM in its own right. :)
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#326 Post by linuxbear »

I did not like Gnome 3, or unity and KDE 4.x is a bit too pokey. Bohdi loads from an SSD on my 6 year old machine to full usability in about 8 seconds.

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#327 Post by Colonel Panic »

Thanks for that comment. I'd quite like an SSD drive in my machine but I don't think it would work in a machine as old as mine.
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#328 Post by linuxbear »

Colonel Panic wrote:Thanks for that comment. I'd quite like an SSD drive in my machine but I don't think it would work in a machine as old as mine.
Mine is about 6 years old. Sometimes the SATA 2 bus is a bit too slow to acquire the drive and I have to perform a 3-finger salute before to machine will actually see the SSD. I am sure a Sata 3 card would resolve this, but right now it is not that much of a nuisance.

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#329 Post by Aitch »

CP
If you have an IDE PC you can get 4/8/16/32/64Gb DOM nandflash devices....but they go pricey for both big and small

16Gb are about £35, kingspec do both 40 and 44 pin types for lappys

You can also get 1.8" devices and an adapter to 44 pin,

....however many require a 4 pin ide power connector, such as this shows, and power leads are often not supplied

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7e766hj

CF flash in an adapter is a cheaper route - £1/Gb, but they're a bit slower, unless you get x133/200 speed, but do work in older PCs

Otherwise try class10 microSD in a USB adapter, if you're happy to use wakepup/PLOP to boot up

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#331 Post by Colonel Panic »

Aitch and linuxbear; thanks for the tips, I'll look into it. At the moment I'm booting Polarpup from an 8 GB USB pen drive, which at least works and saves wear and tear on the hard drive but is a bit slow.
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#332 Post by Aitch »

In USB2, Sandisk Cruzer Extreme, Adata, OCZ rallye2, or any quad channel/MLC drives are doing 30mb/s read/write these days, faster - up to 90mb/s for some OCZ eSata/USB drives

Price rules, mainly......

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#333 Post by nooby »

What is the difference between these?

1. Porteus that says it is a Slax Remix Community distro
renamed to Porteus.

2. Salix that DW says is a Slackware but could it not be Slax?

3. Nimblex that I have not looked what it claims to be
but that one behave a bit like Porteus and Salix too.

All three seems more Slax than Slackware and how do them
differ? Well as far as I know I have booted many many Slax
and never booted a real Slackware in frugal install.

So I trust all three is Slax and not Slackware but how do
them differ from each other?

I tried to reuse Porteus cheat code to boot Salix
I am not member of their forum so could not ask.

title Porteus v11_32 username=root passwd=toor
root (hd0,2)
kernel /32bit_v11/boot/vmlinuz from_dev=/dev/sda3 from_dir=/32bit_v11/porteus changes=/mnt/sda3/32bit_v11/porteus11.dat toroot autoexec=xconf; max_loop=256 lxde fsck kmap=se vga=791
initrd /32bit_v11/boot/initrd.xz


title salix using salixlive-xfce-13.37-32.iso username=root passwd=live
root (hd0,2)
kernel /salixboot/vmlinuz rw toroot root=/dev/ram0 from_dev=/dev/sda3 from_dir=/salixlive fsck vga=791 autologin username=root passwd=live changes=slxsave.xfs
initrd /salixboot/initrd.xz

I maybe should not do autologin on Salix but was too lazy to test without. I failed to do changes. Most likely the
ntfs nfs3-g or what name it has needs to be there? Is it?

Very few seems to care abot Slax not even the Slackware
people care about it? I feel for them because they allow
frugal boot which I don't remember that many of the other distros do except Knoppix and Core?
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#334 Post by Lobster »

Just tried Sabayon 8 64bit Gnome edition.

What can we learn (from a pudding)? [tsk tsk . . . must behave - we are named after a missing dog] :oops:
OK first of all I normally like Sabayon. Find it solid . . . not always good for a fluffy Italian pudding . . . [behave! . . . sorry must get my mind in gear . . .] :roll:

OK
1. Three Window Manager versions? Well if Saluki has two (Xfce and JWM) and we end up with a KDE SFS - job done . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Saluki
2. Straight to desktop. Always a better option. Puppy is getting there. It did good. Most Linux now get straight to desktop. All hardware. Including earlier . . . m m m . . . ?
3. Ease of use. I was struggling to make sense of this interface. I just can not be bothered. We have a phone and touch screen (yet to emerge) generation, that expects to KNOW how things work.
Looked at it. Just not for me.
I much preferred Gentoo 12 much more cutting edge (I think was the version I tried) which Sabayon is based on.

Be interested if others prefer it? Could not find a YouTube vid to give you a taste. Maybe sneaky or Icyos have one?
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#335 Post by James C »

Been experimenting with an install of the latest Porteus on one of my old P4 test boxes.Pretty fast for a KDE distro.The Porteus documentation for setting up the menu.lst was totally useless but the correct entry wasn't too hard to figure out.Nice to be able to run as root too. :)

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