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#2671 Post by belham2 »

Hey, guys, justed wanted to give you a heads up about this (Backi just posted it in another thread, the XenialDog thread).

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... -Corrupter


You might want, if you've got a laptop with Intel in it, to steer away from any and all distros that either are actually Ubuntu 17 itself and/or have Ubuntu 17 in them as their base.

It seems Ubuntu released a kernel (or something) that can frack (permanently) the laptop's BIOS.

Unbelievable. :roll:

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#2672 Post by Moat »

Yea, was just reading up on that... quite a terrible flub. So much for talkin' all my friends into trying out the latest Ubuntu...... :shock: :? :shock: :oops: :oops:
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Nah... I'd never do that! :lol: Puppy only!!

Meanwhile, got a persistent MX-17 running very nicely on an 8 Gb USB converter/SD card, using the included Live-usb Maker tool - very slick! The many, save-able boot code options @ splash screen are a fantastic feature, running this way (via USB). Clearly a lot of thought and time went into these tools. Next thing to try are the remaster/iso build utilities...

Boots to about 1.7 Gb RAM, though - so the "toram" option wouldn't be viable on older, low-RAM hardware (4 Gb, here - seems more than adequate - very snappy!).

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#2673 Post by ally »

I had a play and thought it nice but ran slowly when installed fully (with persistence) to a usb

:)

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#2674 Post by Billtoo »

I installed MX-17 on my Acer laptop:

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: MX-17_x64 Horizon December 15, 2017
Machine: Device: laptop System: Acer product: Aspire 7740 v: Rev serial: N/A
Mobo: Acer model: Aspire 7740 v: Rev serial: N/A BIOS: Phoenix v: V1.15 date: 12/25/2009
Battery BAT0: charge: 48.8 Wh 100.0% condition: 48.8/48.8 Wh (100%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5 M 430 (-MT-MCP-) speed/max: 1333/2267 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470]
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1600x900@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CEDAR (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-1-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (1.6% used)
Weather: Conditions: 16 F (-9 C) - light snow low drifting snow Time: December 22, 9:36 AM EST
Info: Processes: 194 Uptime: 1:25 Memory: 473.7/3818.1MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.53

Works great.
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#2675 Post by belham2 »

ally wrote:I had a play and thought it nice but ran slowly when installed fully (with persistence) to a usb

:)
Hi Ally,

Yes, it will run slowly (any Linux OS will) if you full install it to a USB.

But, if you frugal-install MX-Linux (which no one else really offers except it's brother AntiX), which means plopping the ISO on a USB stick (you can even use grub4dos, might need to make sure the Label on your USB is "antiX-Frugal" before starting all this, as grub4dos won't do it and mx-linux boot requires it), and booting it like you are just trying it out----but here's the beauty: on that first boot, notice in the boot menu (at bottom) F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6, F7, and F8 where you can make choices how and what you want to do, MX-Linux becomes lightening quick off a USB as 'frugal-install with persistence', if you take a few secs & and set stuff at this boot, just like any puppy and/or ddog. It's so easy that it boggles the mind other distros don't do this.

Hit F1 - choose your language, hit enter to save

Hit F2 - choose your timezone/location

Hit F3, (I choose "ToRam", which install the huge linuxfs (which is identical to a puppy's main ".sfs") because since it loads into RAM, everything is that much more quicker (again, just like a pup loaded fully in RAM)

F4 - misc options

F5 - I choose 'Frugal-Persistence" (there's a ton of choices in all of these, and it's all well documented)

F6 - nothing here I need to mess with, as it is failsafe booting and video options

F7 - same here, this is for setting text console

F8 After all the above, Hit F8, use arrow to go to Save & then hit enter, and that's it! Mx-Linux will now remembers all of these from here on out.

(https://mxlinux.org/user_manual_mx15/MX_bootloader.html)

Then, as you hit to boot MxLinux, during the actual boot process, it is going to ask you and create rootfs, homefs, etc, (just hit "auto" for each), then importantly it will ask you how about persistence saving, and I choose "Semi-Automatic", which means it saves nothing during the session until asking you at the end during shutdown whether you want to save the session or not (again, just like Puppy).

It is quite something, for a medium-sized but full-featured Linux distro to do this. And it is hard not to appreciate what the AntiX/Mx-Linux team has done. Now I know why I always see Anticapitalista here-----he (and Mx team) have taken the best puppy has to offer and integrated the good stuff into their already good distro.


So don't install it fully to a USB. That is so yesterday :wink: Heck, even when I full install puppies and ddogs, as opposed to frugal, they many times run like crap. Frugal is the here and now, and future.

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#2676 Post by Moat »

Great write-up, Belham. Took me the better part of an evening (morning?) stumbling thru things, but your description is pretty much where I ended up going. And it does run Puppy-fast, fully loaded into RAM as such (USB 2.0 on an older HP 6730b laptop w/Intel Core2 Duo P8600 & 4Gb RAM).

@ Ally - If your test box has enough RAM (hmmm... I'd guess 2 GB bare minimum?), I suggest giving it another go using Belham's instructions. Very nice, complete and responsive here... 8)

Bob

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#2677 Post by Billtoo »

Moat wrote:Great write-up, Belham. Took me the better part of an evening (morning?) stumbling thru things, but your description is pretty much where I ended up going. And it does run Puppy-fast, fully loaded into RAM as such (USB 2.0 on an older HP 6730b laptop w/Intel Core2 Duo P8600 & 4Gb RAM).
When updating MX-17 today it updated Live-usb Maker so I gave it a try
to a 16gb SDHC card, it's running from my Imac:

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: MX-17_x64 Horizon December 15, 2017
Machine: Device: desktop System: Apple product: iMac8 1 v: 1.0 serial: N/A
Mobo: Apple model: Mac-F226BEC8 v: PVT serial: N/A
UEFI: Apple v: IM81.88Z.00C1.B00.0802091538 date: 02/09/08
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8135 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1867/2400 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV610/M74 [Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT]
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1680x1050@59.88hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV610 (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-1-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n driver: b43-pci-bridge
Card-2: Marvell 88E8058 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Drives: HDD Total Size: 266.0GB (2.4% used)
Weather: Conditions: 18 F (-8 C) - light snow low drifting snow Time: December 22, 1:30 PM EST
Info: Processes: 194 Uptime: 31 min Memory: 1088.3/3951.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.53

I have the choice of saving each time that I shut down the computer.
It's working okay so far, I think :)
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EDIT: I did another live-usb install on a dual monitor setup, used some options to make it larger, on a usb-3.0 flash drive plugged into a usb-3.0 port.
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#2678 Post by ally »

thanks, I'll give it another go

I dd'd to the same usb initially and it was nice and perky so was disappointed with the install

I had read the frugal instructions briefly online but got a bit lost

:)

ps - I gave antix a spin a while back and liked it although it was lacking in my opinion to puppy, however, I thought it had merit so archived what I could track down and put them here: http://archive.org/details/antiX_linux

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#2679 Post by anticapitalista »

Just to point out that the 'live' features on MX Linux have been inherited from antiX, which is much smaller than MX and should work better on usb2

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#2680 Post by Billtoo »

I did a full install of MX-17 to my Acer Aspire desktop:

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: MX-17_x64 Horizon December 15, 2017
Machine: Device: desktop System: ACER product: Aspire M5620 v: R01-A4 serial: N/A
Mobo: ACER model: G33T-AM v: 1.0 serial: N/A
BIOS: American Megatrends v: R01-A4 date: 12/19/2007
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
hidpp__1: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU: Quad core Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
clock speeds: max: 2403 MHz 1: 1603 MHz 2: 1603 MHz 3: 2136 MHz 4: 1603 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) driver: nvidia
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 375.82
Audio: Card-1 NVIDIA GF108 High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-2 Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-3 Creative driver: USB Audio
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-1-amd64
Network: Card: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:1e:90:0d:6c:23
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (1.7% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST3500830AS size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 456G used: 6.0G (2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 30.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 40C
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 208 Uptime: 2:43 Memory: 1224.3/7986.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.53

Works great on this 10 year old computer.
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#2681 Post by Colonel Panic »

MX-17 looks great; it has a really modern interface for a low-resource distro. However, I have to say that I tried and failed earlier to connect to my Mum's wlan network (I'm typing this using her laptop in her home). Does anyone know of an alternative way of getting online using AntiX or MX-17 on a wireless network? I gather from the AntiX forums that someone suggested packaging Frisbee for MX but the idea was rejected as unworkable.
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#2682 Post by backi »

Hi !
If it is not a driver issue .......maybe try peasywifi .....
Look here :

http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... f8a4bbdb2c

If you go here you can download Peasywifi as a Deb Package (for 32b ):
https://fredx181.github.io/StretchDog/i ... ges/Extra/

Here 64bit Version :

https://fredx181.github.io/StretchDog/a ... ges/Extra/

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#2683 Post by Colonel Panic »

backi wrote:Hi !
If it is not a driver issue .......maybe try peasywifi .....
Look here :

http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... f8a4bbdb2c

If you go here you can download Peasywifi as a Deb Package (for 32b ):
https://fredx181.github.io/StretchDog/i ... ges/Extra/

Here 64bit Version :

https://fredx181.github.io/StretchDog/a ... ges/Extra/
Thanks. I may try Peasywifi the next time I'm round at my Mum's - for now though I've left her with a live copy of X-Slacko which I hope will work when I'm not there.

I've seen some other files in that directory which I would like to use when I'm next in 32-bit debian, such as conkyclock and palemoon, so thanks again!
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#2684 Post by eccentric »

Help please, how do i change from U.S.A. key board, to a U.K. keyboard,
in the 64 bit version.
thanks for any help..Michael.

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#2685 Post by Billtoo »

eccentric wrote:Help please, how do i change from U.S.A. key board, to a U.K. keyboard,
in the 64 bit version.
thanks for any help..Michael.
Hi,
From settings hardware choose keyboard,uncheck use defaults and double
click on English (US),the next window allows switching to English (UK)
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#2686 Post by eccentric »

Thank you Billtoo for your prompt help.
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#2687 Post by Billtoo »

I did a full install to the 1st hard drive of my Compaq desktop pc:

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-686-pae i686 bits: 32 gcc: 6.3.0
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.31) dm: lightdm Distro: MX-17_386 Horizon December 15, 2017
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq Presario 061 product: DQ182A-ABA S6700NX NA410 v: 0nB1411RE101COBRA10 serial: N/A
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Cobra v: 1.xx serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: 3.28 date: 08/27/2004
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh volts: NA
model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M215 2nd Gen serial: 401b-d0-dc-56-59 status: Discharging
CPU: Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-MT-) arch: Netburst Prescott rev.3 cache: 1024 KB
flags: (pae sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 5600
clock speeds: max: 2800 MHz 1: 2800 MHz 2: 2800 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV530 [Radeon X1600 PRO] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:71c2
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV530 version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 Direct Render: Yes
Audio: Card Creative Labs CA0106/CA0111 [SB Live!/Audigy/X-Fi Series]
driver: snd_ca0106 port: bc00 bus-ID: 02:0a.0 chip-ID: 1102:0007
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-1-686-pae
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: b000 bus-ID: 02:0f.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8139
IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:0e:a6:79:5d:e4
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W]
driver: rt73usb v: 2.3.0 usb-ID: 001-003 chip-ID: 07d1:3c03
IF: wlan0 state: N/A mac: N/A
Drives: HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (2.6% used)
ID-1: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD1600BB size: 160.0GB serial: WD-WMAL92648553
ID-2: /dev/sda model: ST3160021A size: 160.0GB serial: 3JS2YSBK
Partition: ID-1: / size: 144G used: 5.6G (5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
ID-3: swap-2 size: 0.27GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb2
Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Weather: Conditions: 0 F (-18 C) - light showers snow Wind: From the East at 6 MPH Humidity: 66%
Pressure: 30.36 in (1028 mb) Time: January 1, 12:40 PM EST (America/Toronto)
Info: Processes: 183 Uptime: 44 min Memory: 308.2/2273.2MB
Init: SysVinit v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Gcc sys: 6.3.0
Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121 running in xfce4-terminal) inxi: 2.3.53

I installed a few extra applications with synaptic, it's working well, about the same as Dpup Stretch 7.5
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#2688 Post by Colonel Panic »

I know I've commented before on the smart-alecky and sarcastic error messages Salix sometimes throws up when you do something wrong, but today I saw one which truly took the biscuit. This was an actual message I got when trying to type in a password on an XFce terminal so that I could mount a USB drive;

"Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?"

I must admit I laughed, but I can well imagine that some people with a psychiatric history which involved highly invasive treatments like that one would be highly offended by that remark.

I'll continue to use Salix because for my money it's one of the best looking of all the Linux distros I've seen recently and it's stable and reliable, but it's my view that the devs of that distro presume heavily upon their users' tolerance.
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A big Puppy Challenger --->AntiX-17 Frugal Persistence

#2689 Post by belham2 »

Hi all,

Going to use two posts here (given the murga 'number of pics' posting limit in one msg) to show you AntiX-17. It is so easy to install 'fully', or if you're like me and love 'frugal' installs, it is even easier to install it 'frugally'. In fact, Puppy has no longer anything on either AntiX and/or MX-Linux concerning frugal installs. But even better is the wealth of programs that come with AntiX/MX-Linux compared to pups, and the ease of use in choices, installing, etc. All I can say overall is this: do you love ease of use, a great Control Center app (pics provided, with an eample of "Popular Packages", yet you still have Synaptic & apt-get at your fingertips too). Have you ever wanted to run your apps in the secure, lockdown Firejail? And do this with the ease of one-click setup of any app? Do you want ease of one browser opened in Firejail and another not? (this is awesome!) Do you love combos of JWM-Rox-IceWM for your DE environment, all at one click setup (again, check the pics :wink: )? How about gorgeous Themes? So many themes (63 currently) & customization options that it will leave you with a smile as you one-click choices (in pic, I've chosen an AntiX pumpkin, absolutely love it). How aboutsimple and clear remastering, with popup info boxes explaining every single thing (again, unlike any pup I know, which leaves you guessing most of the time).

Overall, I cannot urge you enough to give antiX a spin with 'frugal' persistence set up (or even full install if you want). If you go the 'frugal' route, you'll be amazed that inside the Control Center, all 'frugal' and 'persistence' choices are there to set up the very first time you run the ISO. You just click your choices! I mean, holy crap, it is fantastic. There's no muss and no fuss, Additionally, you can set up just a "home" directory persistence while leaving root untouchable. This is something no Pup is even approaching right now.

Imho, AntiX-17 is the best thing going in the Linux universe at the moment. I've tested it across my laptops, AMD and Intel, across very old and not so old machines, and it just runs with aplomb and verve, and the family loves it. Hope you enjoy the pics. :
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#2690 Post by belham2 »

...the rest of the pics :wink: ....
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