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#2386 Post by learnhow2code »

Colonel Panic wrote:I'm hazy about the distinction between "free" and "open source" software. I'd always taken them to be more or less the same thing.
in the states we have "organic" and "all natural."

"all natural" is a marketing term that means nothing at all, whereas open source has a solid definition, but it actually stands for for less in practice. with a lower bar of entry, its always going to have more support.

"organic" tends to mean something, especially "certified organic," although the exceptions are frustrating if not evil. compare this to free software, which actually stands for quite a lot-- though in the firmware world it means "theyve cleverly blocked updates so its ok that its not free." <- this is a little unfair and said with anger and contempt.

open source definitely plays off the fact that "the open source definition" (osd) and the "free software definition" (aka "the 4 freedoms") are generally the same thing: open source SOFTWARE and free SOFTWARE almost always overlap. but the movements/organizations are two distinct things, which is where open source plays fast and loose, and imo dirty. if it all sounds ridiculous-- it is. but there will never be "unity" because their goals are actually different.

what i hate most of all is that open source split off from what free software is doing, and is constantly insinuating that free software "doesnt play along" because they kept their own goals.

if you split off from the american dental association to cozy up to soft drink manufacturers, and accused the ada of not "playing like a team" or being "ideologues" for continuing along the same goals they had prior to the split, that would be pretty dirty. i dont think this characterization of open source is far at all from being fair.

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#2387 Post by Colonel Panic »

Thanks again. though I think for the sake of discussion I'll use the term "open source software" as it at least does have a clear definition,

Another good distro; the latest version of (AntiX) MX, 15.01. It's easy on resources, looks good and as far as I can tell is very stable. It's still available in a 32-bit edition (fewer and fewer Linux distros are these days), and I'm using the 32-bit version.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.

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#2388 Post by Burn_IT »

Free means you don't have to pay for it, but cannot legally change it in any way.

Open Source means that you can suggest and submit changes to the program. It is usually, but not necessarily, free.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett

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#2389 Post by learnhow2code »

Free means you don't have to pay for it, but cannot legally change it in any way.
and "free country" means you get your own country, "free speech" means you can say things without paying money.

"free" is such a confusing and ambiguous word, how can anyone derive the meaning from context?

its like "apple" -- my friend says hes surfing the net on his apple! what is he talking about? an apple is a piece of fruit. and you cant "surf" on a net-- you need a surfboard.

thankfully "open source" makes everything less confusing. "open" and "source" are words that have ONLY one meaning each, so its never complicated: if you "open" a book to the right page, youll find the "source" for each reference to other books. so open source means "with a bibliography."

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#2390 Post by Burn_IT »

Talk about "change the context"!!

What has your reply got to do with the original question??
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett

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#2391 Post by learnhow2code »

and microsoft "windows?" what the hell is that? can people watch you on your computer through the windows? where do i buy microsoft drapes?

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#2392 Post by Burn_IT »

Again "what has that to do with the current thread??"
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett

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#2393 Post by learnhow2code »

"current thread" -- you mean like a wire? your use of language is difficult to follow.

i thought "free software" meant "having 4 freedoms: free use, free to study, free to change, free to share." but then you showed us how much better it is to have words mean only one thing-- like "computer mouse." why shouldnt your computer have a pet?

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#2394 Post by Burn_IT »

"current thread" -- you mean like a wire? your use of language is difficult to follow.
You are either joking, or trolling, and I think it is trolling.

END OF DISCUSSION from ME as I am now going to ignore all your posts as suggested in another recent thread.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett

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#2395 Post by rokytnji »

Still rocking and rolling

http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?t=39499

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harry@biker:~
$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: biker Kernel: 4.2.1-antix.2-686-pae i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.9.2)
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8 Distro: antiX-15-V_386-full Killah P 30 June 2015
Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Latitude E4310 v: 0001
           Mobo: Dell model: 0T6M8G v: A01 Bios: Dell v: A03 date: 07/08/2010
Battery    BAT0: charge: 38.9 Wh 91.8% condition: 42.3/44.0 Wh (96%)
           model: Samsung SDI DELL RM6618A status: Charging
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5 M 520 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9581
           clock speeds: max: 2400 MHz 1: 1199 MHz 2: 1199 MHz 3: 1999 MHz
           4: 1333 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
           GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.2.1-antix.2-686-pae
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection
           driver: e1000e v: 3.2.5-k port: 6040 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (48.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 60.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 7.6G used: 5.3G (74%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: /home size: 48G used: 22G (49%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 52.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 139 Uptime: 1:19 Memory: 564.1/8027.1MB
           Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.9.2
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301) inxi: 2.3.0 
Got a bid going on with a IBM Think pad Edge I3 laptop. Broke ass/Needs Fixing.
If I win it ,<not a sure thing since I did not bid high> . I will be testing all kinds of obscure operating installs like

https://sourceforge.net/projects/pinkrabbitlinux/

Of course. Puppy Linux will be booted for hardware checking before hand.

Probably during the winter months out in my motorcycle shop.

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#2396 Post by learnhow2code »

You are either joking, or trolling, and I think it is trolling.
and i thought *you* were trolling. by all means, do not respond to my posts in the future. i wish there was some way to tip you for that. of course by "tip" i mean "offer a small fee in thanks." i dont mean tip like one tips a cow.

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#2397 Post by Pete »

Back to Xslacko.
Tried it out and very impressed with it, certainly better than Mint 18.
Dual monitor support worked a treat, so did sound on a HP Elitebook 8440p
with i5 and 2GB RAM.

Just wish there were more packages available for it.

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#2398 Post by Colonel Panic »

Since someone mentioned BSD, I've just been trying GhostBSD 10.3, which has just come out and been listed on Distrowatch. I booted it up live but haven't so far installed it

There are unfortunately some negatives to report; it's slightly but IMO noticeably slower than a live Linux distro would be, the screen doesn't refresh as well as it does in most Linux distros, and without being knowledgeable about BSD I couldn't find any way to install any fresh software (such as Flash),. Apart from all that though, it does at least work.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.

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#2399 Post by nitehawk »

Among several pretty good computers that I have,....I always seem to somehow gravitate to this lowly, little, really "glitchy" HP Pavilion DV2000 laptop that I have. Has one of those glitchy nVidia video chips in it (that like to crash).

I was SO disappointed that most Puppies, and even Antix, seemed to make the video glitch on it!! :cry:

Maybe it's the challenge of trying to get this fool thing to work,....but I even tried Devuan on it. Worked OK,....but somehow wouldn't boot anymore, and just would "Kernal Panic".
I couldn't admit defeat,.......so I just went with plain, old, vanilla Debian. With LXDE,..it seems to be working so far. I'm not holding my breath, though.

This HUGE Tropical Storm that just swept through here,...made me not want to be using any of my good computers during the lightning strikes. Little "glitchy" laptop worked pretty good with just Debian. Now if it will just keep on working,.....(we'll see)..

PS: Thanks on the "heads up" about BSD,.....I was wondering about trying one,....

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#2400 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Mint 18 to a 1tb usb-3.0 hard drive, computer is a hp mini
stream.

Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Celeron(R) 2957U @ 1.40GHz
Memory 1896MB (1022MB used)
Operating System Linux Mint 18 Sarah
User Name bill (Bill)
Date/Time Tue 06 Sep 2016 02:56:03 AM EDT
Display
Resolution 3840x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH


SCSI Disks
ATA SanDisk SDSA6MM-
TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100
SONY DVD RW DRU-820A

Desktop Environment XFCE 4

It's working well.
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#2401 Post by Pete »

Hi Billtoo

I too have been a fan of Mint but I was a bit disappointed with 18 (Sarah).
Booted off a live DVD and went to set up dual screens.
It detects them but whatever changes I make (resolution, refresh rate, relative positions) don't take.

Since you got them working, I can only assume that there is a problem when running from the live DVD and this only works with a proper install.

Gave up on it and installed Xslacko with XFCE 4.
Computer is a HP Elitebook 8440p with i5 2.4GHz CPU, 2GB RAM and 320GB HDD.
It has a dual channel DisplayPort and VGA outputs.

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#2402 Post by Billtoo »

Pete wrote: Since you got them working, I can only assume that there is a problem when running from the live DVD and this only works with a proper install.
Hi Pete, setting up the monitors worked fine on the mini.
When I added kodi and smplayer/smtube I did it from their homepage by
using the instructions for ubuntu to add a ppa, pretty sure any updates
to the applications are done with the usual update method after doing that.
Anyway, mint 18 is working fine so far for me.

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#2403 Post by Colonel Panic »

I've recently been trying out AntiX MX-15 (the 64-but version). It's a great live disk but unfortunately I haven't had much luck with the installation to my hard drive; it always seems to stall for some reason and doesn't complete.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.

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#2404 Post by poorguy »

Colonel Panic wrote:I've recently been trying out AntiX MX-15 (the 64-but version). It's a great live disk but unfortunately I haven't had much luck with the installation to my hard drive; it always seems to stall for some reason and doesn't complete.
I've tried antix MX-15 and didn't really care for it after a few days of using it. It comes feature packed with software but it also for me had to many different problems so it went down the road.

I'm using antix 16 and it is super. After install and updates it works perfectly right out of the box which is what I prefer install and use.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/antix- ... /antiX-16/

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#2405 Post by Colonel Panic »

poorguy wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:I've recently been trying out AntiX MX-15 (the 64-but version). It's a great live disk but unfortunately I haven't had much luck with the installation to my hard drive; it always seems to stall for some reason and doesn't complete.
I've tried antix MX-15 and didn't really care for it after a few days of using it. It comes feature packed with software but it also for me had to many different problems so it went down the road.

I'm using antix 16 and it is super. After install and updates it works perfectly right out of the box which is what I prefer install and use.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/antix- ... /antiX-16/

The PoorGuy
Thanks for the reply and advice. It's a shame though that MX-15 is not sorted yet when AntiX 16 works so well; I might put a message on the AntiX forum and ask if they're looking into it. It looks great for a distro which runs on modest hardware so it would be good to sort it out.

BTW, if you want a Debian-based distro which used XFce as its desktop manager, I can recommend SolydX which works very well. IMO its only drawback is that it looks a bit "vanilla" but it's easily spruced up if you want to do that.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.

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