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rokytnji


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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 16:40    Post subject:  

Played around with Ubuntu 11.10 on Usb with persistence with Unity 3d. Too many clicks to run desktop and slow. Felt like driving a tractor trailer.

Playing around with http://semplice-linux.sourceforge.net/ this week on pendrive.
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Oct 2011, 20:44    Post subject:  

rokytnji wrote:

Playing around with http://semplice-linux.sourceforge.net/ this week on pendrive.


it's sid with open box option of 3.0x kernel looks fast. the 64bit ver was 544mb.
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2011, 05:51    Post subject:  

Guys! Please Teach me how to boot into root on Semplice!
Thanks for telling about it.

Any suggestions what would work on grub4dos booting on ntfs?
I used the one in the isolinux but adapted it for grub4dos.

I am in Semplice now. Not easy when one is a poor reader.
I could only log in as live User.

User name User
password =live

Testing Root psw toor and root and nothing and SempliceLive

What else could one test? Do them tell in a FAQ or on forum?

Now I need to do setxkbmap se and to find the /mnt/home drive

Wow each debian has it's own name for things

semplice name my home drive to be /live/image and one need to enter it as root

while another named it drive and another imagesource?

I don't remember.

Anyway to be able to open it I needed to open as root but I don't know
how to change to root if them allow that. Please tell me.
Here is my way of booting it.

I place the semplice iso on my /mnt/home/ being in puppy. Same as C:/ for Ms Win7

Anyway I extract the live dir out of the iso and also place it there
Then one have to be careful how one answer or else it seems to get into a loop or start to install. I don't know if this part needs to be there
username=user hostname=SempliceLive isolinuxcfg had it

title semplice_2.0beta1_140.1.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /semplice_2.0beta1_140.1.iso
kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live noprompt noautologin username=user hostname=SempliceLive
initrd /live/initrd.img


It is surprising it booted. I have tried to boot many debian now
the latest three or four days and almost none of them boot.
I guess due to them require a CD or something that them know is there
and I boot on the internal hdd using iso boot on grub4dos.

So thanks to Semplice for allowing iso boot

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:27    Post subject:  

Code:
sudo -s


gives you a root prompt in the terminal in semplice. No password needed.

Ntfs voodoo is your territory from there nooby. Smile

At the boot prompt type

Quote:
help


I don't know if root login is possible. Not my bag with sudo distros. Since this is live distro. I don't think root login is possible anyhows as you are probably using syslinux for boot. Unless you know the ins and outs of editing semplice and syslinux.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:19    Post subject:  

no I boot using grub4dos on my internal hdd ntfs formatted
and I use frugal install code.

title Pussy live
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /pussy.iso
kernel /pussylive/vmlinuz live-media-path=/pussylive boot=live noautologin quickreboot noprompt toram nosmp
initrd /pussylive/initrd.img



title semplice_2.0beta1_140.1.iso username=user hostname=SempliceLive locale=sv_SE.UTF-8 keyb=se timezone=Europe/Berlin klayout=se kvariant=nodeadkeys noprompt quiet splash
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /semplice_2.0beta1_140.1.iso
kernel /semplice/vmlinuz live-media-path=/semplice boot=live noprompt noautologin username=user hostname=SempliceLive
initrd /semplice/initrd.img


title crunchbang-10-20110105-xfce-i686.iso config live-config live-config.hostname=crunchbang live-config.username=crunchbang
rootnoverify (hd0,2)
kernel /crunchbang/vmlinuz1 rw live-media-path=/crunchbang boot=/live noeject noprompt nomodeset nosmp noautologin quiet splash --
initrd /crunchbang/initrd1.img


Both pussy and semplice boots without needing password
while Cruncbang need both username and password.

And I don't have them and the cute thing is that Crunchbang don't tell either.

Usually many small OS do tell that one write root toor or like pussy
one write root pussy

Puppy have root woofwoof

which I did not know for some three years or so.

The surprising thing is that pussy has changed the password so
some time under the creation he must have been asked what to have.

So the Devs of Crunchbang also have been asked and then can tell to us.

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2011, 23:31    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Guys! Please Teach me how to boot into root on Semplice!
Thanks for telling about it.



nooby, iirc first web page stated Semplice has a login error of some kind.

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about half way down
http://semplicedev.posterous.com/
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2011, 05:42    Post subject:  

Thanks I have to take a look at that one then.

I need to learn how to add things to Bodhi and then to do a remix.
That is the only way for me to get åäö swedish unique chars.

Edit. I tested Semplice again and it is kind of odd in the log in.

One have to give user user and password live two times

Them ask about confirming English and that is the only way for me to log in. If I chose other or something them the boot in fails but accepting English then it works but ask one to give password again after doing the English set up.

So now I have Peppermint, Bodhi and Semplice and Elementary OS too. Do you guys know anything about that one? I remember me even entered their forum but now when try to find my posts them don't even
have a forum but DistroWatch says them have. Mystery!

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=elementary
http://elementaryos.org/
Quote:
Have you checked the address you entered for mispelled words?
So the link is wrong or them shut it down?
Ah them have had a forum and then them shut it down read here
http://elementaryos.org/support/answers/362

I did not write in their forum I wrote here in Puppy Smile


Elementary seems to be Ubuntu only remixed to a lighter version.
AnywayI am in Elementary now and it can even save changes to files on the internal hdd which both Pussy Linux and Crunchbang and Semplicity and AntiX and Simply Mephis fails to do if one boot the way I did iso boot frugal install.

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2011, 07:35    Post subject:  

nooby

I dare to suggest you are better at testing/booting OSes than anyone here....certainly better than me!

Aitch Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2011, 10:01    Post subject:  

I dare say that I am too sloppy and careless and too hastily
when I do it. And being retired with now wife no male friends
no children or pets then one have too much time on ones hands.

So this is the only way I know to survive. I really wished me
was good at testing. I fail to remember even what I did a few
minutes ago when I test things. So it is not what I recommend.

I recommend one are keen to write down whatever step one do
that way one can reconstruct any error and find solutions.

Haha one time I changed the log in to yahoo groups.

Took me a month of testing to get back that user name and password

My body knew way down layers beyond my conscious recall.
I had to trick it to just do it. To do some kind of mental short cut
to my deeper layers and just let the auto pilot take over and place
it back in time when it last logged into yahoo and to silent my conscious
and then just look on the fingers when them did what the body knew
but which Nooby had no recall of what to do and suddenly I just did it.

big surprise I had that user name and password. My body has a will
of its own Hahah

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2011, 10:39    Post subject:  

Now I have 4 or more of the remixed Ubuntu lightweight versions?
Elementary the latest I tested. Bodhi and Peppermint and Semplice and Elementary OS.

And there is another too. What was the name? Ultimate iso OS
That one looked rather cool but was too involved for my taste.
So much to learn.

And there is AriOS and Asturix and Moon OS and Netrunner and
Crunchbang and ArchBang and so on. Endless almost.

I only keep those that allow me to save on the HDD that I iso boot on.

Is Peppermint maybe the most easy to use due to them having more
installed like flash player?

Edit

An embarrassing question. Now that I have tested five?
small variations of Ubuntu/Debian varieties.
Bodhi, Peppermint2, Elementar, Semplice and Ultimate linux OS

Why would one prefer one over the other.

As a total noob I get kind of dizzy not knowing which to chose.
I guess I can make one USB for Bodhi and one for Peppermint Two?

The very bad thing are/is that two of these OS have Chrome/Chromium browsers.
I am more used to using Firefox.
So that makes it complicated. I would try to get rid of the Chrome thing
and add FF7 instead? But maybe Chrome have shared libraries that other
progs need?

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 14:46    Post subject:  

Edit. Now with more experience I would place Netrunner OS before Elementary OS due to Netrunner booting easier and having more
Out of the Box for us noobs.
old text follows

ElementaryOS seems easy to use. But I know nothing about it.
It uses Midori while some of the other small versions use Chrome
and as we all know Chrome don\t want to be root.

here is my way of booting elementary on my NTFS hdd frugal iso boot.

title Elementary OS elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso
kernel /elementary/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /elementary/casper/initrd.lz

So you need this iso elementaryos0.1-jupiter-i386.iso and then you use
puppy to extract the casper and preseed dirs by copying them to a dir
named elementary

I am writing from within now and it allow me to save changes to the hdd.
Which is unusual for an iso mounted Ubuntu variant.

Sorry the bad thing about Elementary is that it lacks Flash player
while the Bodhi and Peppermint Two most likely have these built
into Chrome browser youtube being Google and Chrome also such!

So should one use Bodhi and Peppermint Two instead?

Edit have now tested both and Bodhi lacks both picture viewer and media player
so Pmint2 is the best so far apart from LinuxMint 11 but that one is slower.

Semplice AFAIK lack ability to allow me to even see the drive that I boot from due to it being a pure Debian. Them take security dead serious.

Linux Mint don't even tell what password their live user have.
Name seems to be mint but password is everybody's guess?

Linux Mint 11 is the most complete of these but very slow being Gnome and
overloaded with lot of things going on.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 15:34    Post subject:  

Nooby, on the Linux Mint Community page, they say that the login is mint, password is blank.(just hit the enter key). I hope this helps.[url]community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/69[/url]
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2011, 15:49    Post subject:  

Yes and it is true if one boot from the CD or a DVD or maybe from an USB too.

But it is not true if one boot the way I do. And I am not alone to have experienced this
a few others write about it too that it fails if one use other ways to boot.

Them even fail to find it okay that one boot like I do. Why don't you do it the proper way
them ask me.

Is that not cool? I mean was it not Debian that came up with Frugal boot way back in time?
Maybe my memory is failing me but Knopper when him did Knoppix used something
he named "Poor Man's Boot" and as I get it him learned that from Debian?

Regardless. The more I test these small Ubuntu/Debian varieties the one that works
best out of the box seems to be Peppermint Two. It has Flash and it has pictureviewers
and it has mediaplayers installed from scratch and it can save changes to the menu.lst
so what more can one ask for in a crazy booting of iso directly on HDD. So practical.

Sure it is not "Real Linux Partition Full Install" but it is a Nooby way of doing Linux.

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Oct 2011, 01:48    Post subject:  

Sorry that I ask such stupid question.

if Puppy is already 100% compatible with Debian then why would
I or anybody even look at LMDE or Bodhi or Peppermint or Semplice
or Pussy or Crunchbang or anything else than Puppy?

Is even IguLeder's GuyDog compatible with Debian repo?
I know too little and fail to search for such info too.

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Oct 2011, 08:42    Post subject:  

Saline OS which are now actual on DW having a release this week
are on of these Debian distros that also fail to allow us to have access
to the internal HDD if we boot using frugal install grub4dos code.

I tested this version.

title Saline OS 1.5 live find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /SalineOS-1.5-i386.iso
rootnoverify (hd0,2)
kernel /salinelive/vmlinuz live-media-path=/salinelive boot=live noautologin quickreboot noprompt nosmp
initrd /salinelive/initrd.img

I have not tested if iso booting behave differently. I doubt it does.
anyway you click on the iso and drag it out to / and copy the live file there and rename it to salinelive.

title Saline OS 1.5 live iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /SalineOS-1.5-i386.iso
kernel /salinelive/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed live-media-path=/salinelive boot=live iso-scan/filename=/SalineOS-1.5-i386.iso quiet splash --
initrd /salinelive/initrd.img

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