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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2011, 01:56    Post_subject:  

I certainly did the hd32 thing Smile

But you are most likely right about the need to defragment.

But this is what them say about the tool you suggest.

Quote:
Power Defragmenter is a GUI (Graphic User Interface) application for program Contig by Sysinternals.

Contig is a very powerful defragmentation application designed for Windows NT/2000/XP operating systems.


So either it works in wine in puppy or it does not.

If it works in wine you need to tell me how to get it started.
I even failed to get internet explorer to start in wine.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2011, 02:53    Post_subject:  

Besides various versions of Puppy, I also have on my PCs, WinXP and Win Vista Home Premium, and Win 7 64bit.
All of the Win versions get started once in a while to let them update their antivirus programs and windows updates.
Of course I still have some games that just will not work with wine in Puppy. I have tried and some will not even install.

Also, irregardless to popular belief, there are some things you can do in windows that you cannot do in Puppy.

You cannot view the blue screen of death in puppy.
You do not get to see FlashPlayer pop up message boxes almost daily wanting to update.
You do not have an automatic virus checker take over your PC while it does a scheduled scan.
You do not have MS update wanting to reboot your PC.
I would include you do not have to pay for the OS, but we know that a purchased PC comes with it.
You do not have to buy a new PC when a new version of windows appears because of it not supporting your present hardware.
Did I leave anything out?


Although, we do have a close second when a video card gets the wrong driver loaded and you have a black screen and a locked up PC that requires a hard shutdown to recover.

We also have to swish bugs in new versions of Puppy sometimes.
But we have faithfull members here that are willing to try to help you when you have problems with Puppy.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2011, 03:03    Post_subject:  

8-bit wrote:
Did I leave anything out?


Not leaving out but you did not tell me how to do defrag without
booting up in Windows without triggering all these nasty updates
and virus things and so on.

Are there any Defrag that one can launce using a USB and Xplite from
Hirens rescue CD/DVD iso or something.

Yes I do ahve it on CD but not on USB how does one get it booted on USB
so I can defrag?

I hate going into Windows. Nasty company locking people in.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2011, 09:00    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
Not leaving out but you did not tell me how to do defrag without booting up in Windows without triggering all these nasty updates and virus things and so on.

If you are that worried about booting into Windows, just unplug the network cable when you do it.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2011, 09:22    Post_subject:  

Edit
d4p and rcrsn51 Thanks to both of you for not giving up on me despite my deep skepticism.

But it did not boot using the map and hook that gave the error 60 even after doing complete defrag.

But after editing out that boot code and keeping the rest
then it booted and I write from within bodhi linux now.
So great thanks! Much appreciated. I think I have wanted this
since March 2011 sometbing or January? I even asked on their forum
how one boot on NTFS and none cared to answer me.

Typically I don't remember password or email address I gave them.

I did not need to defrag anything not even the iso it just booted now when I more by accident tested to edit your suggestion d4p.

So if others also want to try Bodhi linux in a frugal install on NTFS
then check out this code in grub4dos

Code:
title Bodhi linux using the Bodhi_1.2.1.iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bodhi_1.2.1.iso
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.1.iso quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz


And lo and behold. Total surprise. It even allowed me to save changes to the menu.lst despite it being on teh same hdd partition that it boots from.

I mean not even AntiX 8.5 nor Antix 11 allow for that and other linux distros does not allow it either. So Bodhi devs have either forgot to add the restraints that Debian Ubuntu usually add or them have gone over board to circumvent these restraint and not even bragged about it.

Have no idea but it just works.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2011, 10:15    Post_subject:  

Progress and success again. Thanks to d4p who gave me the right code even if I had to shave off what did not work. Without you I would not have tested that which I left.

title Bodhi linux using the Bodhi_1.2.1.iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bodhi_1.2.1.iso
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.1.iso quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

That works for Peppermint and for Ubuntu and most likely any Ubuntu derived OS.
One only need to care about getting the right name for the preseed file.

mint for peppermint and ubuntu for ubuntu and so on.

Important also to have the iso name correct. Peppermint not same as peppermint

I am in Ubuntu now. Have not tested much but the browser work. A bit slow because it is not booted to RAM I guess. But not as slow as on Vbox or WMware or such virtual.

And one can use ones usb when one really need them to do frugal install of Ubuntu
is a good thing when them write about something in that most known OS then one can
at least boot it up and look no need to do a lot of partition and full install for something one dont use every day.

Surprising thing is that now Ubuntu even allow one to edit a menu.lst file
despite one boot from same partition. That is not something even AntiX can do.

So that is real progress.

an odd problem. The cursor is misaligned so that is very annoying.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2011, 12:05    Post_subject:  

I've tested now Bodhi linux, Peppermint, Ubuntu, and the one that I like best
LMDE 11. It is a 100% compatible with Debian Linux OS distro that has all teh codex
I need. It also accept to save to the same NTFS partion that it boots from.

So that is very good. Antix failed doing that. Pussy Linux also failed doing that.

So this is what I have been waiting for since 2006 or so. At least since 2008.

Ubuntu did not have the codex that LMDE have. Ubuntu had a misaligned between
what cursor point to and where it really are.

What I now need to learn is to make use of a casper-rw file to save changes.
That maybe will fail. Or why would them have thought of allowing that to work on NTFS?


title linuxmint 11 Gnome LMDE 2011
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso
kernel /linuxmint11/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso quiet splash --
initrd /linuxmint11/casper/initrd.lz

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2011, 19:15    Post_subject:  

This is the proper menu.lst

title Bodhi_1.2.1
root (hd0,1)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

or

title Bodhi_1.2.1
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /casper/filesystem.squashfs
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz


Basically you can delete Bodhi_1.2.1.iso, your menu.lst is nothing to do with booting from iso.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2011, 19:24    Post_subject:  

Have you tested this on NTFS? internal hdd?
Usually grub2 which Bodhi is made for would fail booting with that code

I guess you have told me what computer you have but do it again please Smile
I trust you have a very special one. But Sure I will test now and then go to bed.

it is 1.20 AM so very late now.

I get back within 15 minutes I hope.
Edit I am back and have tested your code.

I had to move bodhi iso to a subdirectory to hide it.

Maybe this code is to deep? Could you test on your computer.

I have it like this now. and it says on both of your codes that it can not find the medium.
Quote:

title linuxmint 11 Gnome LMDE 2011 This one boots
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso
kernel /linuxmint11/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-11-gnome-dvd-32bit.iso quiet splash --
initrd /linuxmint11/casper/initrd.lz


title Bodhi_1.2.1 This one fails
root (hd0,2)
kernel /bodhi/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent quiet splash --
initrd /bodhi/casper/initrd.gz



title Bodhi_1.2.1 This one fails too.
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bodhi/casper/filesystem.squashfs
kernel /bodhi/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent quiet splash --
initrd /bodhi/casper/initrd.gz


title Bodhi Linux boots from bodhi_1.2.1.iso This one boots with iso not without!
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bodhi_1.2.1.iso
kernel /bodhi/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.1.iso quiet splash --
initrd /bodhi/casper/initrd.gz


title Pmint2 This one boots with iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Peppermint-Two-i386-06052011.iso
kernel /Pmint2/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Peppermint-Two-i386-06052011.iso quiet splash --
initrd /Pmint2/casper/initrd.lz


title ubuntu 11.04 This one boots with iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ubuntu11.04.iso
kernel /ubuntu/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/ubuntu11.04.iso quiet splash --
initrd /ubuntu/casper/initrd.lz

title Peppermint Linux boots from Peppermint-Ice-10012010.iso noeject noprompt splash --
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Peppermint-Ice-10012010.iso
kernel /Peppermint/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Peppermint-Ice-10012010.iso noeject noprompt splash --
initrd /Peppermint/casper/initrd.lz



So something is odd. Your computer is either formatted with fat32 or ext2 or has a usb with grub2 on it Smile

Why else would it boot on yours and not on mine? Now I turn in! 01.40AM

Edit. I used the casper-rw that Sickgut used for his Puppy Debian but that failed to work. Maybe due to the Live user is supposed to be on CD and to not save on that medium?

So I have to read up on how them makes things persistent on LMDE 11.

None care about my question in their forum. I don't blame them.
Noobs should be ignored Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:44    Post_subject:  

I hope you could sleep well.
Dont worry to much, it is just about menu.lst
It works for you, that's really good to hear.

Base on your prev. post:
"title Bodhi linux using the Bodhi_1.2.1.iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bodhi_1.2.1.iso
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper persistent iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.1.iso quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz"

/casper is in the root, but you change to /bodhi/casper
Of course my last menu.lst will not working. I guess, you got error 15
To proof my menu.lst really working, just move casper to the root.

Nothing is odd
Happy try!
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2011, 12:24    Post_subject:  

Edit oops sorry. I forgot to take away this part.
iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.1.iso
That is why it gave the illusion that it booted. Now when I edited it correctly with no usage of teh iso then it faled to find the index files.

So it failed to boot. Sorry!

title Bodhi linux using boot code suggested by d4p without any .iso file
root (hd0,2)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

I have only tested that one and will now reboot and test the following.

this one failed too.

title Bodhi_1.2.1 d4p
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /casper/filesystem.squashfs
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/custom.seed boot=casper noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

The reason for casper kept hidden inside another dir is that I have very many casper.

Can you please teach me how to save changes Smile

I now like LMDE Linux Mind Debian Edition best due to it has more codex and more programs from scratch. Even Flash.

So I want to be able to tell that LMDE OS that I need swedish keyboard
and that it save the preferences of firefox.

Maybe I can do as we do in Puppy? To symlink from /mnt/home?

only it has another name. isodevice something.

Now I will be totally into Pussy Linux testing for some 30 min to 90 minutes whatever.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2011, 16:42    Post_subject:  

I got crunchbang to boot frugal install on ntfs but in contrast to
LMDE that also is 100% Debian compatible the Crunchbang did
not allow me to change menu.lst and to save the change back to hdd.

Not even as root. Total protection Smile

one need to have the live directory directory at root or /mnt/home/ as it is usually named. So it is surprising that Bodhi and Ubuntu and Peppermint and LMDE that also is very keen on security do allow me to edit and save.

Maybe them forgot to click on something last time them created their distro?

Now when I tell it online like this then them send out an update real quick I trust. To not put a stop to such would be their most embarrassing neglect. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Oct 2011, 14:45    Post_subject:  

Ultimate OS works good but first time I must have hit the wrong button when it
asked about updating firefox addons and it gave the famous already running and gave me
no way to start the Terminal either to shut it down but after rebooting and gabing another
answer now it works. Like LMDE it allows me to save changes to the drive NTFS formatted I boot from.

So that is good. A lot of the Ubuntu derivates does not boot. Them say they don't find the live medium. So either me made some small error in teh boot code or set up.

You ahve to test if you love a os that I failed with and you maybe can report success with it.


title ultimate iso boot frugal ntfs firefox fails
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ultimate-edition-3.0-lite.iso
kernel /ultimate/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/ultimate-edition-3.0-lite.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /ultimate/casper/initrd.lz

I have not tested to make a casper-rw file to make persistent. As I remember such does not work on ntfs but maybe you know how to make a pupsave file that works for Ubuntu derivates?

Knoppix save files maybe would work them working for a Debian derivate

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Oct 2011, 19:06    Post_subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
nooby wrote:
Not leaving out but you did not tell me how to do defrag without booting up in Windows without triggering all these nasty updates and virus things and so on.

If you are that worried about booting into Windows, just unplug the network cable when you do it.


But that does not take care of it all.
If you have an antivirus program installed and it decides it is time to do a full system scan while defrag is in progress, that could cause problems.
I do not know if there is a way to temporarily disable the antivirus auto scan so it does not jump into the middle of things.
Lately, even with my internet connection down, flash player pops up a window wanting to upgrade itself. And this happens almost every time I decide to boot to windows.

All the more reason for me to do what I do most of the time.
Boot Puppy!!
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Oct 2011, 05:04    Post_subject:  

8-bit, I got so curious on what rcrsn51 wrote that I did unplug the LAN cable and booted into Windows on another machine and it actually did start up programs like Commodore? forgot its name them have Security AV and such. Firewall too.

And like you say them wanted to start things. I made a defrag of that hdd for to test something that had to do with booting iso in frugal install using grub4dos.

It turned out that it booted even if fragmented. not sure why.

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