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[Pete]

But suggesting that Barry is doing something in secrecy......but as i said suggesting something against BK is not nice.

I'm not suggesting he did anything underhanded willingly or knowingly.
All I said was that he could have been forced/intimidated into doing it, not impossible.
If it happens at Microsoft which is a huge organization, why not a single person?

Have you asked (if used Ubuntu) MS if he works or worked for NSA, CIA or maybe for Vatican's Opus Dei?

Couldn't care less about Shuttleworth's affiliations as I don't use Ubuntu.

[puppy_apprentice]

I've quoted you but my questions was especialy for those posters that suggest something eg. CLAM01.

Myself i have more respect for Linux coders than for coders that works for big commercial corporations. If somebody needs more security he should use Libre distros. Those don't have closed source blobs.

[Pete]

I've quoted you but my questions was especialy for those posters that suggest something eg. CLAM01.

Understood.
I certainly don't agree with CLAM01 that Barry purposely and under no duress put something fishy in the kernel.

If I was the one that created an enormously popular distro and one day got a knock
on my door and was told in no uncertain terms by a government agency to do this or else, I know what I would do.
I'm no Snowden and certainly have no martyr tendencies.

Myself i have more respect for Linux coders than for coders that works for big commercial corporations. If somebody needs more security he should use Libre distros. Those don't have closed source blobs.

Agreed.

[James C]

More for the conspiracy theorists.....

Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04 ... y-the-nsa/

I recommend watching his 36 minute Q&A in its entirety, keeping in mind my recent warnings about how GNU/Linux is almost entirely engineered by the government/military-affiliated Red Hat corporation.

We all must immediately turn off all electronic devices........we can't trust anyone.......spies are everywhere.

[Pete]

From the article that James C posted a link to above, one line says it all:

the Linux system depends on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised.

I rest my case.

Does the NSA (and other agencies) have the capability to spy on you via your computer?
Absolutely.

Do they?

Who knows, unless you are engaged in some seriously dodgy stuff, why should they spend time and resources on of the Terabytes of data generated daily (and intercepted by them) to single you out.

[puppy_apprentice]

Now is clear why Debian will be using systemd. Because Debian is RH puppet

Recently Linus was not nice for one of systemd coders (there were some bugs in systemd that kernel coders have to try avoid via kernel patches). So it seems that Linus is the only one thrustworthy man (but we don't have to forget that his father works in UE parliament and some people perceive UE as a one of NWO agencies)

[Pete]

Debian based Puppies anyone?

[puppy_apprentice]

Does the NSA (and other agencies) have the capability to spy on you via your computer?
Absolutely.

Do they?

Who knows, unless you are engaged in some seriously dodgy stuff, why should they spend time and resources on of the Terabytes of data generated daily (and intercepted by them) to single you out.

NSA is listening whole world. Acording to Snowden they everyday collect metadata from our smartphones, smarttvs. They can plug to every internet node in the world (eg AT&T). They don't have to breake into our computers to know something about us. I don't have eg. Facebook acount but if my friend open such an account Facebook will get my eg. e-mail adress, my name and surname.

Bruce Schneier (cryptography expert) have two computers one for browsing and another for work and data (offline).

[puppy_apprentice]

Debian based Puppies anyone?

I'm jocking about Debian. But there are Puppies based on Ubuntu and Ubuntu is Debian based

[Colonel Panic]

Debian based Puppies anyone?

I'm jocking about Debian. But there are Puppies based on Ubuntu and Ubuntu is Debian based

DPup is based on Debian, and I think Exprimo is too. There may be others, but I don't know of any.

[bark_bark_bark]

closed source kernel firmware may be spying on us. If we remove it 95% of hardware will not work.

[puppy_apprentice]

closed source kernel firmware may be spying on us. If we remove it 95% of hardware will not work.

True. Before i've bought my last laptop i've bring to shop CD with gNewSense. Checked, everything was working so i've bought it. So if machine will works with Libre it will works with every distro.

[Pete]

closed source kernel firmware may be spying on us. If we remove it 95% of hardware will not work.

And in many cases we actively seek it out and use it.
Take wifi for example, the open drivers for a specific card don't work, what do we do?
Rush and load ndiswrapper and immediately load a closed source driver, right there on a communications device connected to the outside world.

So for those that want to continue to assume that Puppy has no back doors, go right ahead.
I for one will assume the exact opposite.

[James C]

We all must immediately turn off all electronic devices........we can't trust anyone.......spies are everywhere.

[nooby]

We all must immediately turn off all electronic devices........we can't trust anyone.......spies are everywhere.

[nooby]

The only way to find out if such is implemented is to gain
enough knowledge on how to detect it. To be too categorical
and to include Barry being blackmailed to comply seems to be
too much into fantasy land for me but sure I can be wrong.

How does one find out?

[Colonel Panic]

I've just installed the release edition (RC1) of Vector Linux 7.1 (32-bit). It looks good but at the moment I can't really recommend that anyone else try it; the place selector stalled on the A's, for example, and I ended up choosing Johannesburg instead of London for my timezone, and so far I haven't been able to get networking going.

[nitehawk]

Colonel Panic...
I notice you also are using LegacyOS 2.1 LTS. That's the new (Puppy) distro I've been trying out and using right now, too.
So did you have any problems getting it to boot?

When I put it on a spare 40G hard drive I had,...it installed grub and booted just fine. But when I try to put it on a larger (160G) hard drive ...triple booted with WinXP and Slackware,..its a no go! It installs just fine, the grub seems to install,...then...

The grub won't even work, until I use another Puppy's CD to install the grub for it. Then it does just like your user name,...loads right to "Kernal Panic". I wonder if it's because Legacy won't work on a hard drive with WinXP on it, (on the first partition)

But maybe it works only on its own hard drive,...or with just other linux distros like you have on yours. (?)

What do you think? Ever tried to dual boot it with windows?

[James C]

More for the conspiracy theorists.....

Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04 ... y-the-nsa/

I recommend watching his 36 minute Q&A in its entirety, keeping in mind my recent warnings about how GNU/Linux is almost entirely engineered by the government/military-affiliated Red Hat corporation.

We all must immediately turn off all electronic devices........we can't trust anyone.......spies are everywhere.

Sorry all conspiracy theorists, apparantly the headline is a malicious lie. Glyn Moody says Wikileaks denies it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7565195

Who is upvoting this BS... This article is just link-bait and FUD... Nowhere in the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk) does Julian Assange say that "Debian Is Owned By The NSA" as the article title implies. All he says is that open-source systems are still vulnerable to attacks by APTs such as nation-states through the introduction of backdoors disguised as bugs...snip

[Pete]

It may or not be a lie, we will never know.
I'm still not assuming that Puppy has no back doors, but I would rather take my chances with Puppy than others.