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cthisbear

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Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Wed 15 Jun 2011, 21:09    Post_subject:  Network install 2 old netbook - your opinion?  

Opinions needed for a Whirlpool poster.

How to network install an old netbook

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1709249

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Hard to find specs.
JVC XP-MP7210

http://cgi.ebay.it/MINI-NOTEBOOK-JVC-8-9-ULTRA-MICRO-PC-UMPC-ASUS-EEPC-/320514271114

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I said maybe Puppy can boot from the camera card?

My local computer shop has 2 of the early Intel Classmate
PC laptops, that I booted from SD....
because the hard drives were dodgy.

Also to try Puppy 4.21 on them.

Or Pupeee, Fluppy...
Personally I would chose Wary Puppy 5.12.

But why not try 4.2.1....>> as it is known to boot.

puppy-4.2.1-k2.6.25.16-seamonkey.iso 105107456 22-May-2009 06:47

http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/puppylinux/

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I also mentioned that...

" Intel gave 2 Classmate to Barry.

See the universal installer below.
So if you booted Puppy on something else, which had
a card slot, you could install to it and put it in your lappy.

Probably older SD card is better. "

http://www.puppylinux.com/baby-laptops/classmate.htm

Also...

" Same thing as this...Puppy 4.2.1

Just select SD instead..do not save on exit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IsctM0MWHI&feature=related

How to make USB flash stick bootable using Puppy Linux

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Specs...I think. MPN: MP-XP7210

* System Type: Notebook
* Built-in Devices: Stereo speakers, keyboard, touchpad, display
* Width: 22.5 cm
* Depth: 15.2 cm
* Height: 2.8 cm
* Weight: 1.1 kg

Connectivity

* 2xUSB
* 1xFireWire
* 1x10/100 Fast Ethernet
* SecureDigital Card Slot
* PC Card Expansion slot

Processor

* Processor: Intel Pentium III-M 800 MHz (Centrino)
* Power Efficiency: Ultra Low Voltage (ULV)
* Data Bus Speed: 133 MHz
* Chipset Type: SiS630ST

Cache memory

* Type: L2 Cache - Advanced Transfer Cache
* Installed Size: 512 KB

Ram

* Installed Size: 384 MB
* Technology: SDRAM
* Form Factor: SO DIMM 144-PIN

Storage

* Type: IDE
* Hard Drive: 40 GB

Display

* Display Type: 8.9" TFT
* Max Resolution: 1024 x 600 ( WSVGA )
* Widescreen Display: Yes
* Colour support: 24-bit (16.7 million colours)
* Graphics Processor / Vendor: AGP 4x

Audio

* Audio Output: Sound card
* Compliant Standards: Sound Blaster Pro

Input device(s)

* Type: German Keyboard, pointing stick

Telecom

* Modem: Fax / Modem
* Max Transfer Rate: 56 Kbps
* Protocols & Specifications: ITU V.90, k56Flex

Networking

* Networking: Network adapter
* Data Link Protocol: Ethernet, Fast Ethernet

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Full problem.

" I've got an old netbook which I'd like to use, but it won't boot any longer. It did dual boot xubuntu and xp,
but something bad happened to the boot record and then I
properly killed it by fiddling with the partitions,
so I just get invalid boot media now.

The problem is it only has usb 1 on board, and it doesn't support
booting from there.

It does support PXE, so I've been trying to make that work, and have made some progress...etc

The netbook is old old, p3 800 with 384mb ram, which I can't
increase any further. "

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4lex Reply.

" the net boot issue.

The drive is on a proprietary connector, so no go there, looks like I
would have to cut or desolder a hardwired ribbon to do so.

I'm sure gparted could fix the problem, but I can't get a linux environment started at this point.

I've been trying to get the machine to boot xubuntu from lan today,
using tftpd I can see it request an IP and be issued with 192.168.0.2
from the windows machine running the dhcp server, after which I'm thinking the PXE implementation on the netbook

(JVC XP-MP7210)

seems to request a file called C0A80002 (which i notice is hex for 192.168.0.2), so I renamed the default cfg file on the linux netboot
distro to that and it is transferred to the netbook successfully.
I guess if I knew how to construct a default cfg file for a linux net
boot I may have more success :(

I think the usb option is a dead end as the device doesn't appear to support usb boot from any other medium than usb floppy, mind you maybe one of the tools you mentioned could emulate that from a stick? I'm going away to google that now. '

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Thanks..Chris.
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4lex

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 02:58    Post_subject:  

That'll be me then. Thanks very much Chris.

I haven't had any success trying to create a bootable SD card unfortunately. I have another laptop, an Inspiron 11z which has an SD slot on board but no optical either. I tried to install puppy from USB there, and though the machine booted to an installation menu, it just cycled through '15s to boot' indefinitely.

I then tried the same with ubuntu 1104 and was able to boot a livecd environment on the inspiron, but couldn't figure out from there how to create the bootable SD.

I did try both bootable usb sticks in the jvc laptop (per Chris's post), neither were keen to boot. Puppy one gave me a cursor bottom right and some noise on the screen, the ubuntu returned a single lowercase j and a cursor top left.

Most success thus far has been had with a FAT12 formatted usb stick with win2k bootfiles, which returned an intelligible message saying 'MBR helper missing' or words to that effect, and the attempts to pxe boot as described above.

Any ideas on how to coax the old JVC back to life gratefully received.

Cheers,
Alex
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 06:39    Post_subject:  

4lex :

What suburb of Sydney mate.

PM me if you wish...might be more help then.

Chris.
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RetroTechGuy


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 10:04    Post_subject: Re: Network install 2 old netbook - your opinion?  

cthisbear wrote:
Opinions needed for a Whirlpool poster.

How to network install an old netbook


I was running Puppy 4.3.1 on my Asus eepc 900 (1GB RAM), booting from a 4GB SD card in the side. Haven't used it recently -- but planning to try 5.25 on it next.

I was running 4.3.1 Retro on my 333MHz laptop, 256MB RAM, 512MB Swap. I'm going to change versions, as 4.3.1 is too hardware intensive for this old beast -- but it is capable of browsing under 4.3.1 Retro. It also ran 4.12 Retro pretty well. I figured to first try 5.25, just to see if it will work, then Wary, then ttuuxxx's 2.14 Top7, and perhaps put 4.12 Retro on as well (I've got 4-6GB HDD to work with...and Win98 doesn't eat that much space... Laughing ).

Regarding network install -- I dunno. On my Netbook, I plugged a USB DVD-RW in the side, and booted the CD directly. One could also create a bootable SD in a machine with a CD, and then install it on the machine.

One should also be able create a bootable USB Flash, and install to an SD card from there (I haven't tried it, but the USB install is going to have all the same files as the CD, so...).

Edit: Just ran across this from gcmartin:

"5-steps Netboot a Puppy over the LAN with NO Media (PXE)"
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=488348#488348

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 19:48    Post_subject:  

@Chris. Cheers. I'm in Perth now as it happens, I should update that wpl profile.

@RTG. Thanks for the link, reading now. On the SD boot thing, what tools could I use in a Windows7 environment (have 32 or 64 bit machines available) to create said bootable SD? I haven't made any progress there Sad
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 20:37    Post_subject:  

4lex wrote:
@Chris. Cheers. I'm in Perth now as it happens, I should update that wpl profile.

@RTG. Thanks for the link, reading now. On the SD boot thing, what tools could I use in a Windows7 environment (have 32 or 64 bit machines available) to create said bootable SD? I haven't made any progress there Sad


Something new

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/linux-live-usb-creator/
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4lex

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jun 2011, 02:42    Post_subject:  

Thanks, downloading that now.

I finally managed to persuade the netbook to boot a pe version of xp using pebuilder, and even managed to get the nic up and accessing a lan share eventually, but for whatever reason my attempt to then install xp just bombs back to the opening screen of the winxp installer.

I'm just about getting to grips with pxe boot now, seems like a good way to install stuff - however success has been very much trial and error so far. The TFTP server serves up a specified text file which contains some instructions for the client - but how to construct said text file is a bit of a mystery. Can we have it just request any ISO (that'll fit in memory) and run that?

Cheers,
Alex
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jun 2011, 11:45    Post_subject:  

4lex wrote:
@Chris. Cheers. I'm in Perth now as it happens, I should update that wpl profile.

@RTG. Thanks for the link, reading now. On the SD boot thing, what tools could I use in a Windows7 environment (have 32 or 64 bit machines available) to create said bootable SD? I haven't made any progress there Sad


What I have is a cheap SD/USB adapter. I would just boot Puppy install to that piece of media (on a machine which has a CD and a USB).

I have one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134753

And also have an adapter that looks like a "fat" USB thumb drive (takes an SD card in the back) -- picked it up in a bin at a local computer store.

On my netbook, I plugged my SATA DVD-RW into an adapter, and booted directly. I have a couple of these, which are great if you're tinkering with machines all the time:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119152&cm_re=usb_ide_sata_adapter-_-12-119-152-_-Product

Let us know how the pendrive tool works. A friend of mine pointed that out to me a while back -- though I haven't tried it yet.

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