Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Puppyt · Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 806 Location: Gatton, Queensland

sc0ttman's "Akita" is a Wary x Puppy421 hybrid cross (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67811). Maybe if you find Akita12 working in your most recent box, it might give you clues on solving your hardware limbo?

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 4822 Location: Kingwood, TX

3.x was slackware based, 4.x went to T2. 4.2 was a community edition that did include tcl/tk + gnocl. Pupngo and Akita are mostly 4.x based with 2 very different vectors in the lightweight direction.

NeroVance · Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Posts: 196 Location: Halifax, Canada

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 4822 Location: Kingwood, TX

yes, 3.x used the same kernel and was binary compatible

tuxtoo · Posted: Sat 13 Oct 2012, 16:50 Post subject:

Thanks for your suggestions guys

puppyluvr

I will give your solution a try after I have exhausted all attempts at a HD install. I've nothing against a 'frugal' install it's just that I prefer a HD install.

cthisbear

Yeah, my old PC dying was a Toyota moment . . . bugger. Extremely apt in my case. Good ad, funny.

NeroVance

Here is what I have done/tried so far.

On booting the live CD (Puppy412 and same from Puppy431) from the PC's DVD/CD drive I get the following error message:

Monsie · Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 633 Location: Kamloops BC Canada

hi tuxtoo,

It seems odd that your internal drives are not being detected. What is your output when you run

tuxtoo · Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012, 14:20 Post subject:

hi monsie

Thanks for replying. I have done as you suggest and the output in the terminal is-

puppyluvr · Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012, 22:40 Post subject:

Hello,
This drive wasnt ever a Win Vista drive was it?
Check the bios and see if it shows as IDE/SATA,
Vista machines had some other label, like AHCI or something,, but made the drive basically invisible...
You can change it in the bios,

Monsie · Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 633 Location: Kamloops BC Canada

tuxtoo,

It looks like only your usb drive is being detected Sad

Puppy 4 came out with a new method of hardware detection that was encapsulated in pup_event and it was supposed to include lots of improvements. However, there were some issues with the kernel around this time...

Are you perchance running Puppy 4.1.2 retro version with the 2.6.21 kernel? Apparently, this kernel has a reputation of spotty detection of internal drives --I noticed that Barry K commented about this in a line when he edited Probedisk2 which is currently used in Puppy. Also, I found this thread over here which may be of interest to you. If you are indeed running the retro version, I suggest trying the regular version with the 2.6.25 kernel.

That said, you might have to accept that Puppy 4.1.2 will work best on an older system... one with drives that use the traditional ide connection. You may have to look around for a used system, but even then, it might be fairly easy to find a desktop with decent performance that is about five to six years old...

In the meantime, use Wary, Racy, or one of the newer puppies... but I will add my two cents here and recommend that you keep your Puppy 412 website going. You've designed a very attractive site, and have put together some really great packages including OpenOffice, so it would be a shame to see it go to waste. Actually, I don't think it would be a waste because I believe there are plenty of Puppy users out there like myself who find a lot of value in Puppy when they are able to keep an older computer running well. Smile

hth,
Monsie

tuxtoo · Posted: Tue 16 Oct 2012, 18:12 Post subject:

First of all, thanks for all your help and advice guys.

puppyluvr

If you don't mind I will take you up on your offer to-

greengeek · Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 04:47 Post subject:

Hi Tuxtoo,
this is a great idea. I really enjoy giving the older puppies a spin - it is amazing how many of them still work perfectly well on really cheap hardware (or even lightning quick on newer hardware).

I have a couple of questions:
1) I see you have softmaker office2008 on the website - have you found a way to get it to read docx files on 4.1.2?
2) I didn't find a link to a 4.1.2 iso on the website (maybe I just missed it...). Would it be appropriate to have a link to the iso? cheers!

Puppyt · Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 806 Location: Gatton, Queensland

@ greengeek - I think TextMaker2008 didn't actually have the docx capabilities that are claimed. I was impressed enough anyway to buy the SoftMaker Office 2010 and 2012 - handles whatever shenanighans M$ Office can serve up.
The AbiWord that prit and runtt21 had going in MacPup520 (and later) has impressive docx handling, from what I tested. Could it be reverse-engineered into a 412 environment maybe?

tuxtoo · Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 16:54 Post subject:

hi greengeek

Like Puppyt says I don't think SMO2008 has the ability to open docx files. Although, from what I see on the forum Abiword 2.6.4 has this ability. There is an online converter http://www.docx2doc.com/.

You are correct about the lack of a link to the main Puppy-412 iso and I will include one. I will, in the next 3 or 4 days be making more 412 based puplets available; Photo Artist worshop iso (P.A.W). webserverpuppy1.iso with Hiawatha and webserverpuppyx1.iso with Apache web server for those who are interested in web development.

I was going to include Cybercafe iso but it is based on 421 and not 412 as I first though. It's just that I want to keep the iso's available to be based on 412 as in this web sites moniker.

cthisbear · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 4287 Location: Sydney Australia

" I was going to include Cybercafe iso but it is based
on 421 and not 412 "

Oops >> PUP_421.SFS

Sorry tuxtoo....Chris.

tuxtoo · Posted: Sun 21 Oct 2012, 15:46 Post subject: Drive problem [SOLVED]

I have managed to solve the problem with Puppy-412 not detecting the HD or DVD/CD drive on my new box. The problem lay with the new style UEFI BIOS. In the 'Advanced' section of the BIOS there is a menu called 'SATA configuration' selecting this and then from the sub-menu select 'SATA mode selection' with three selections; IDE (the default), AHCI and disabled.

Changing the 'SATA mode selection' from IDE to AHCI solved the problem and I now have access as normal on Puppy-412 to the HD and DVD/CD drive. Sorted!

This may help Puppy Users who want to run older versions of Puppy on newer hardware with the newer style UEFI BIOS.