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Remap dead Left Arrow key onto Menu key? (Solved)
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Mitchellray

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PostPosted: Wed 25 May 2011, 11:38    Post subject:  Remap dead Left Arrow key onto Menu key? (Solved)  

Hello,
I am still searching for assistance on how to map the Left Arrow function onto the right Menu key on my netbook.
The Left Arrow key does not work. It is dead. It is supposed to function normally as Left arrow and also Fn+Home.

It is not worth buying a new keyboard, due to cost and also that it might not work. I'd be worried about getting the pre-connected cable seated properly in the connector without ruining it.

There has been some past input from posters here on the forum, but the thread ended without a resolution to the issue I am trying to resolve.

Any help will be much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 May 2011, 11:55    Post subject:  

Edit. I know from my own personal experiences how frustrated I felt again and again when I totally failed to get help. One issue I had took 6 month or more. And I asked many many times. So try to be patient Smile

Yes sure many here do want to help you but you have to consider where you are at!
Puppy forum is a totally volunteer forum. No paid person to help you out.

We all here do this on our free time and out of a compassion to help others out.

You started a new thread without linking to your old one so we could learn from that one what people has suggested up to now.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67749

You don't tell much about your machine in the current post. Hardware info can be important for to help you.

I am no Moderator but if I had that position I would not be so happy about you starting a new thread with exact same problem. Such is usually not encouraged.

Tell me more about what you have tried out. Have you tested to do search in the friendly search machine in my link.

Try words like remapping of key. You should try to find out what number the two keys have in your country.

hope that helps

Edit.

I have now read that thread and I remember that I did read it when it was new too but realized that I have no knowledge how one do such things. But I would be surprised if it was impossible, so you only need to find somebody having had same problem before. if not here in our forum I trust that google should be able to find it in some other forum.

it is a very general question so it should be possible to find a solution.
I would use the search in my signature while you hope for that somebody read here and then use google on every forum and sooner or later you find somebody having same need and there they describe the solution.

I hope you agree that it is not Puppy specific problem. Friendly smile.

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PostPosted: Wed 25 May 2011, 15:30    Post subject:  

You should have revived the old thread, not started a new one.

Assuming your keyboard uses standard keycodes, these are the ones you care about
Code:
# xmodmap -pk |grep '(Left)'
    100         0xff51 (Left)   
# xmodmap -pk |grep '(Menu)'
    117         0xff67 (Menu)


The ugly way to do it would be to change in /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86
Code:
    <LEFT> = 100;
to
Code:
    <LEFT> = 117;


A nicer way would be to use a .Xmodmap file, which should probably include something like
Code:
keycode 117 = Left

or maybe
Code:
keysym Menu = Left

(I've never used xmodmap, so I'm not sure about this... you might need to start with "clear Left" or something)

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Mitchellray

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PostPosted: Mon 30 May 2011, 13:30    Post subject: Key remap successful  

Hello Dougal and nooby,
Thank you for encouraging me to learn etiquette. I will have to learn how to link threads and how to revive a thread.

Dougal's 'not so pretty' method of editing /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 worked fine for the purpose. That was to avoid spending money on a new keyboard for my eeePc not knowing whether that would solve the issues.

Since my original post, the Ctrl keys also stopped functioning in both XP and puppeee. I mapped the Ctrl function to the RALT key and have regained that function as well.

I was surprised at the simplicity of this band-aid fix because looking for the same fix for XP yielded seemingly much more complicated solutions. Although, I would guess the principle is the same, whether or not the appropriate files are accessible.

Also, in editing the mappings, I commented out the existing lines for both of the borrowed keys, 'Menu' and 'RALT'. So far so good.
Thank you for this solution.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 May 2011, 14:43    Post subject:  

Cool that Dougals remapping the brute force way worked that well.
Such is good to know.

Hope I did not come through as too unfriendly. To write in a foreign language one fail to hit the right tone and can sound condescending even when one just want to give a nice friendly advice.

Happy it worked out for you.

May I say something that can be easily misunderstood. These small keyboards maybe are not as sturdy and lasting as real free standing ones we are used to handle rather rough? At least I am doing that at times. Hitting hard that is.

I have the cautious notion that what if you and I hit them too hard and that create the unfortunate dead keys?

Just a wild guess I have. What else can create these things. Coffee or somethign Smile

Anyway it is always good when things clear up.

So now you can write a happy [Solved] instead of a sad Unresolved Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 30 May 2011, 17:04    Post subject:  

spend sometime looking at the threads but still cant get it.
want to map backspace to pause/break in puppeee4.4rc2 also in lupu525.
so far my keys not happening are del, F10, backspace, and left click of the mouse-bar.
cant find key number because when they are pressed nothing happens.
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Karl Godt


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PostPosted: Mon 30 May 2011, 19:58    Post subject:  

from `xev` command : keyboard en_US 104 set to 102keybd in xorg.conf :

keycode 119 (keysym 0xffff, Delete)

keycode 76 (keysym 0xffc7, F10)
keycode 91 (keysym 0xffae, KP_Decimal)

keycode 22 (keysym 0xff08, BackSpace)


ButtonPress event,
state 0x0, button 1, same_screen YES
KeyRelease event, serial 32,
state 0x100, keycode 8 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
ButtonRelease event,
state 0x100, button 1, same_screen YES

AND for normal keyboards there ( was ) also :
XKeyCaps

The output varies much if you choose xF86 , XAccel or OpenWindowsX86 layout .
XFREE86 : keycode 0x4C =F10; which would give 76 in decimal
XACCEL : keycode 0x4C =F10;
OpenWin : keycode 0x80 =NoSymbol ;! The "F10" key generates NoSymbol
You would have to find one with the same hardware specs to post correct mappings which seems to be quite confusing .
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PostPosted: Tue 31 May 2011, 03:27    Post subject:  

now lupu525
xev
Code:
KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x2200001,
    root 0x62, subw 0x0, time 1077408, (193,340), root:(461,396),
    state 0x0, keycode 110 (keysym 0xff13, Pause), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

Code:
xmodmap -pk |grep '(Pause)'
    110       0xff13 (Pause)   0xff6b (Break)   0xff13 (Pause)   0xff6b (Break)   
    114       0xff13 (Pause)   0xff6b (Break)   0xff13 (Pause)   0xff6b (Break)   
# xmodmap -pk |grep '(BKSP)'
#

so in /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 changed now are
Code:
<BKSP> =  110;

Code:
    <PAUS> = 22;

no effect so try
Code:
    <BKSP> =  110;
            <BKSP> =  114;

Code:
<PAUS> = 22;
    <BRK>  = 22;

still no effect.
reboot and xev and xmodmap still same as above. xfree86 holds changes
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Karl Godt


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PostPosted: Tue 31 May 2011, 07:33    Post subject:  

Interesting . Xorg seems to compile the keyboardlayout into
/var/lib/xkb

It might be worth a try to delete some files there and restart X .

Of course running Xvesa does not do anything there .

To check which Xserver is currently running :
Code:
readlink -e `which X`
ps | grep 'X'
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PostPosted: Tue 31 May 2011, 09:39    Post subject:    

solved. thanks Karl Godt and all. Very Happy
Code:
# readlink -e 'which X'
# ps | grep 'X'
 6324 root       0:03 X :0 -br -nolisten tcp
 6485 root       0:01 /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/ROX-Filer -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
11382 root       0:00 grep X
#

Code:
# readlink -e `which X`
/usr/bin/Xorg
# ps | grep 'X'
 6324 root       0:18 X :0 -br -nolisten tcp
 6485 root       0:04 /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/ROX-Filer -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
18047 root       0:01 geany /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
19242 root       0:00 grep X
#

deleted the wheeled icon files in /var/lib/xkb reverted to just

Code:
<BKSP> =  110;
 
<PAUS> = 22;
     <BRK>  = 22;

i.e. not
Code:
<BKSP> =  110;
<BKSP> =  114;
 
<PAUS> = 22;
     <BRK>  = 22;

and restart X .

and now have a functioning backspace key. will take a while before i unconsciously use it again instead of highlight and overwrite I've been using for months.
thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue 31 May 2011, 15:13    Post subject:  

aarf wrote:
deleted the wheeled icon files in /var/lib/xkb
...
and now have a functioning backspace key.

You probably wouldn't need that if you did it the "proper" way... it would be good if someone verified what I wrote about .Xmodmap, since it's not good to send people to hack the Xorg files.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 15:14    Post subject:  

Dougal wrote:
aarf wrote:
deleted the wheeled icon files in /var/lib/xkb
...
and now have a functioning backspace key.

You probably wouldn't need that if you did it the "proper" way... it would be good if someone verified what I wrote about .Xmodmap, since it's not good to send people to hack the Xorg files.

still have lots of puppies save files to play with. type exacly what you want tested or i will play when i get around to it. if you have it typed out you could then test yourself.
was thinking a gui based on PicPuz jigsaw puzzle type interface would be the way to go. click and move the tabs.
was also thinking i need a personal sfs so i dont have to update each pupsave each time. one day i will take the minutes necessary to learn how to do that.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2011, 17:08    Post subject:  

puppeee4.4rc2

Code:
  # keycode 110 = BackSpace
bash: keycode: command not found
# keysym Pause = BackSpace
bash: keysym: command not found
# KeyCode 110 = BackSpace
bash: KeyCode: command not found
# Keysym Pause = BackSpace
bash: Keysym: command not found
#
 

Quote:
# xmodmap KeySym Pause = BackSpace
xmodmap: unable to open file 'KeySym' for reading
xmodmap: unable to open file 'Pause' for reading
xmodmap: unable to open file '=' for reading
xmodmap: unable to open file 'BackSpace' for reading
xmodmap: 4 errors encountered, aborting.
#

this command is helpful:

Code:
# xmodmap -pk


xev isnt as simpe because the pause/break key is set to open a calenda.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jun 2011, 15:57    Post subject:  

aarf wrote:
puppeee4.4rc2

Code:
  # keycode 110 = BackSpace
bash: keycode: command not found
# keysym Pause = BackSpace
bash: keysym: command not found
# KeyCode 110 = BackSpace
bash: KeyCode: command not found
# Keysym Pause = BackSpace
bash: Keysym: command not found
#

that is supposed to go in .Xmodmap, which is then used in a line like
Code:
xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
in .xinitrc.

Quote:
# xmodmap KeySym Pause = BackSpace
xmodmap: unable to open file 'KeySym' for reading
xmodmap: unable to open file 'Pause' for reading
xmodmap: unable to open file '=' for reading
xmodmap: unable to open file 'BackSpace' for reading
xmodmap: 4 errors encountered, aborting.
#

To execute an expression you need to use
Code:
xmodmap -e "KeySym Pause = BackSpace"

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jun 2011, 16:48    Post subject:  

puppeee4.4rc2
Code:
  # xmodmap -e "KeySym Pause = BackSpace"
xmodmap:  unknown command on line commandline:1
xmodmap:  1 error encountered, aborting.
 
# xmodmap -e "Keysym Pause = BackSpace"
xmodmap:  unknown command on line commandline:1
xmodmap:  1 error encountered, aborting.

# xmodmap -e "keycode 110 = BackSpace"
#
# xmodmap -e "keysym Pause = BackSpace"
#

testing pause /break immediately afer above still opens a calenda.
however
Code:
# xmodmap -pk

110       0xff08 (BackSpace)   0x0000 (NoSymbol)   0xff08 (BackSpace)   

this code changes the 110 key:
Code:
# xmodmap -e "keysym Pause = BackSpace"
#

but it doesnt backspace and doesnt hold through restart X, 110 reverts to previous.
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