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jonyo

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PostPosted: Fri 20 May 2011, 23:57    Post subject:  

new pup variants
royalty pup
his majesty pup
the water bug pup
monarchy pup
buda pup
whodo pup beast
do-ocracy, pup
pia pup
conflicted vrs pup
governing council pup
etc pup
omg pup
puppy reincarnated
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jonyo

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 00:03    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
puppyite wrote:
... the Royal Court headed by his Majesty the Water Bug are in charge. I vote for a governing council instead of Monarchy.

OMG! How many times does this have to be reincarnated before it finally dies? Maybe "his Majesty the Water Bug" can call on his Buddhist connections to answer that one? Rolling Eyes

without elections it won't the old ways are done like dinner
"it's like this" has run its course
it is to be inclusive or not
interesting comments here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68034
The rise and fall of CentOS
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Well, that party is over. Last week Dag publicly announced he was resigning from CentOS development work, seemingly over development team communication issues. In the comments there, Dag specifically suggests Scientific Linux as the right distribution to move to now, saying "their process is more open and the people are actually friendly to feedback." If a tight development group has enough resources to keep its users happy, so long as the end result is open-source I'm not going to knock the process that got there. But when your release is at least four months later than it was expected by most people, and you're causing major community contributors to abandon your project in a bad way, I don't have any choice but to start looking into more open projects.

I've seen this movie before, and I didn't like the ending the last time. Thanks to the CentOS development team for helping provide me with an excellent business-oriented Linux distribution I been able to use for free over the last four years. But I'm writing this as my first Scientific Linux install executes, and I have my first SL6 work for a customer also fed up with waiting on CentOS6 to start on when it's finished. CentOS isn't the first group to run an open-source development project without what I'd consider a really open development community, they're just the latest to show how dangerous that is.
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bugman


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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 06:54    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:

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Puppy Linux Mission Statement (Barry Kauler):
Puppy will be extremely friendly for Linux newbies
Puppy will just work, no hassles


and it does, in its limited way

anything beyond the iso and some [but not all] of the pups is a hassle

remember that i was responding to a specific inanity from retrotechperson

and that my ideal distro is not my ideal puppy

[2.xx or so is]

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 07:16    Post subject:  

MinHundHettePerro wrote:
Ah, the missionaries are back.
Anyone remember Scunny Rob? I'm starting to get the same vibes ........
fwiw Wink/ MHHP


missionaries are a vital part of any distro though, no?

i suppose there's the missionaries you agree with, and those you don't . . .

or is it just a personality crisis?

Wink

on another note, was thinking it might be time for me to build my most useless distro ever soon, based on your cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/audio

[the failure of the do-ocracy]

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 07:25    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
Puppy Linux Foundation

If it was created without public nominations or elections then IMO it was doomed from the start. A lack of transparency and openness is precisely what's wrong with the current situation.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 07:52    Post subject:  

bugman wrote:
on another note, was thinking it might be time for me to build my most useless distro ever soon, based on your cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/audio


bugman's do-re-mi-fa-sol-ocratic distro with built-in atonalities ......
Smile/ MHHP

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 07:56    Post subject:  

MinHundHettePerro wrote:
sol-ocratic


solo-cratic

will not repeat the mistake of barry - will not let anyone use it

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 08:06    Post subject:  

Summer's approaching these northern parts ...

I was thinking more of a soleil-ocratic distro - spread some sunshine to dispel the gloominess ......... Smile/ MHHP

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 09:13    Post subject:  

I do not understand what the big deal is.
You want a say in Puppy.
You want it to be made to your expectations.
If BK was a bad guy that forced his OS on you with no options to change anything, I might see that.
But he has went the extra mile and created WOOF for those who are not as adept at creating an OS.
So take the WOOF utility and build Puppy the way you personally want it built.

Puppy cannot and will not be all things to all users in the Official distributions.

So again, just use WOOF to build your own version of Puppy including what you want and excluding what you do not.

And get off your power trip!
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 10:10    Post subject:  

There is no shortage of intelligent people in this community. Why doesn’t someone offer their own ideas about how to introduce more openness - transparency AND give average users a seat at the table or at least more influence?

Maybe making a constructive suggestion is too hard or maybe it’s just easier to run down those who do.

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8-bit


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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 11:44    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
There is no shortage of intelligent people in this community. Why doesn’t someone offer their own ideas about how to introduce more openness - transparency AND give average users a seat at the table or at least more influence?

Maybe making a constructive suggestion is too hard or maybe it’s just easier to run down those who do.


If you think about it, you already have a seat at the table in that you are a member of this forum and can offer suggestions as to what you would like to see in Puppy.
You can even create a Poll for users to show if they also would like what you suggest.
And if you look, you can find more information about Puppy than you would have known otherwise.

We all are involved in making Puppy what it is by suggestions, testing and submissions of programs and scripts.

Puppy continues to improve and a "seat at the table" is provided by Puppy forums.

If you feel like you are being ignored as to your suggestions on improving Puppy, just remember
"You cannot please all of the people all of the time."

Also, as to transparency, everything that goes into Puppy is available in source code and discussions are ongoing when a new version is created.
So what type of transparency are you talking about.

If it is a few that get recognized as a team so to speak, that is a team of programmers that work on a release with support from the user in bug busting and suggested improvements.

In my case, I wrote a script once that was included in one release of Puppy and then dropped.
Am I upset?
No.
Do I think I should "have a seat at the table"?
Not in the way I think you mean it.
It is enough for me to help where I can and not expect to have statues erected showing what a great supporter of Puppy I am.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 12:01    Post subject:  

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There is no shortage of intelligent people in this community. Why doesn’t someone offer their own ideas about how to introduce more openness - transparency AND give average users a seat at the table or at least more influence?

Maybe making a constructive suggestion is too hard or maybe it’s just easier to run down those who do.


Sounds like an "Community Edition"?
Just start an "Community Edition" already! Rolling Eyes
Good luck in pleasing everyone that works on it. Twisted Evil
Some want huge bloated pups and other want it stripped down pups.

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jonyo

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 12:13    Post subject:  

puppy has outgrown the days of a few folks doing whatever they like, it's a question of dealing with that

users have expectations, you wanna ignore that then good luck
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jonyo

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 12:19    Post subject:  

harii4 wrote:
Good luck in pleasing everyone that works on it. Twisted Evil
Some want huge bloated pups and other want it stripped down pups.


That IS the question at this point imo. What IS pup ..exactly or more to a point

A quick google turns up 'puppy belongs to US'

does it or not
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 12:31    Post subject:  

8-bit wrote:
I do not understand what the big deal is.
You want a say in Puppy.
You want it to be made to your expectations.
If BK was a bad guy that forced his OS on you with no options to change anything, I might see that.
But he has went the extra mile and created WOOF for those who are not as adept at creating an OS.
So take the WOOF utility and build Puppy the way you personally want it built.

Puppy cannot and will not be all things to all users in the Official distributions.

So again, just use WOOF to build your own version of Puppy including what you want and excluding what you do not.

And get off your power trip!

the same argument can be made with the current powers that be, any distro of any merit is or becomes more than the few, then what?

IT then becomes adapt or else

WAY bigger fish than pup have become irrelevant
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