Users and Developers - Symbiotic Relationship

[puppyite]

Q5sys,
See this.

[jonyo]

All you can do is request, that does not necessarily mean it will or should be done and you now have an argument against which at this point i support

Update 5/22/11

I have requested that this thread be closed. Unfortunately this has become a referendum on my popularity and not the issues raised. I believe the premise of the OP is still valid and deserves consideration.

Wait I thought you wanted public discourse and everyone to have a seat at the table. Why then do you want a thread closed where there is discussion? Is it perhaps because we are discussing things that you do not want us to? Again this shows that you have a desire to 'control' the path of things. If you truly want a democratic system where everyone has a say in the future of puppy, then you should have no problems with where the populis decides the future of this thread should go. If you cant allow a simple thread to get off the direction that YOU laid out for it, how can you expect others to allow you to have a say in the direction of their distro?

[puppyite]

I stoke the fire and rekindle the flames:

How desperate is a situation in which neither side will recognize that they cannot exist without each other and agree to work in harmony?

In recognition of the fact that no distro can succeed without users and developers I ask you: What compromise can be made that would give average users a voice commensurate with their importance?

[jonyo]

it's gonna take a bit for the shock to settle

might turn into a pup shock and awe

amazing what was going on here

[puppyluvr]

Hello,

I stoke the fire and rekindle the flames:

Really?? Hadnt noticed...

A couple of questions:

Who are the users..Who are the developers..
Ive written stuff that made it into the Official Puppy..
Am I "Royalty"..

I keep seeing this "line in the sand" being drawn...
And I keep saying there is no line...
Many things I`ve done were because someone asked..
So who made it happen? The guy who put it together??
Or the guy who thought of it in the first place..??
The user is the developer..
The ability to write a simple script, or the ability to build a whole release..??
Where is the line then??
I just hate the "labels"...Royalty, Beggar, User, Loser.
The infighting doesnt bug me so much, causes true colors to come out...
But to see the Dev`s depicted as some kind of elitist cult, against all logic showing the opposite, after 4 years of watching each, in turn, bend over backward...Well...
Just proves that if you bend over backward to help, you are still bending over...And what happens when you bend over.....
This.................................
Sorry...Love Puppy...Love the people who contribute, test, build, and DO anything to further its development....
So someone wants a bug tracker, and it hasnt happened yet... Why???
I guess its the main dev`s job to make it happen...
Hell, they aint doin anything anyhow, eh.???
Anyone ever consider that they probably already donate WAY TOO MUCH of their own time, for nothing but the gratification of doing... Against the happiness of their spouses at times, but I would guess they bitch less than some of the people who should be on the gratification side of the deal...
IDK...You want it...help make it happen...no, you dont have to code...
Ask nicely, offer suggestions, run tests....

Oh, wait, that is how it already works...
What was the problem again????

BTW folks....BK didnt bend over backwards...He did "what I want"...
And no one ever treated him like this....
So... A Benevolent Dictator... A final word....
ATM, I believe that is 01Micko....
Hope he doesnt let this crap bug him....
..WhoDo took too much of this in his turn...
..Playdayz went out of his way...
..No one will want to do the job, if it is like this...
Then what???
Any project needs a leader...
To listen to suggestions....and decide....
And hope others can Respect their decisions...
It is just not as easy as all that....

[jonyo]

well what's 01Micko about?? some of us haven't a clue
what are the goals?

[Flash]

...Update 5/22/11

I have requested that this thread be closed. Unfortunately this has become a referendum on my popularity and not the issues raised. I believe the premise of the OP is still valid and deserves consideration.

You should have sent me a PM. I haven't been following this thread because the title looked innocuous enough that I thought I could leave it.