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Users and Developers - Symbiotic Relationship
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:13    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
8-bit wrote:
All this talk about a democracy of users deciding how and what Puppy should be.
For those that want a democracy of a Puppy edition, how about another Community Edition of Puppy?

I have repeatedly suggested this to Puppyite, but he is determine to highjack the current/upcoming version...

He can't simply demonstrate his superior methodology by creating a parallel process for a new version, he has to cram his way down everyone else's throats.

I suspect that he has come to realize that if he tries to demand and rule the devs, that they will jump ship, and he'll have a barge with no motor... Perhaps he believes that he can force their cooperation by cutting off other avenues of programming pleasure for them. How little he understands... They owe no-one any loyalty, as their time is their own. We (users) have no contract with them, other than we enjoy their work and compliment them for it.


Retro I am with you on this one. Something fishy is going on here.

My now almost 3 years experience of Puppy is that one should let the Devs to follow their own pace and not stand in their ways and to snuff out their enthusiasm by putting demands on them.

Friendly hints may work but as he goes on in this thread we have to hide it so no Dev read it or we lose all of them.

Trust me on that Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:22    Post subject:  

This should demonstrate my level of commitment to what I have said: Even if every member of this forum filed through here and voiced their opposition I would still believe that good governance is needed, that’s how certain I am that what I propose is right.

But I would be happy to hear alternate suggestions as to how this goal can be accomplished.

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I have only the power of my convictions to justify my existence.
G. Carroll, September 19, 2009

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jonyo

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:26    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Friendly hints may work but as he goes on in this thread we have to hide it so no Dev read it or we lose all of them.
if you lose your devs for whatever reason and cannot continue, you are a flash in the pan
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:34    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
OK...Puppy makes the title of this thread an oxymoron..
The Developers, are Users..
The offer was there..
Mick manned up and took the daunting task of putting up with this..
Building a Puppy isnt easy...
Well, thanks to BK, the building part is...But it is this part, the B.S.
that I wouldnt take on for nothing...
Mick isnt some "Elitist Developer"...He is a USER, just like you and I..
He just happened to be willing...
As for developing programs..
I dont think there is another distro, where you can request a package,
even for an odd or custom pup, and get the results you get here...

We cannot draw a line between Developers and Users...."Cuius ipsum est"

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:38    Post subject:  

puppyluvr wrote:
Well, thanks to BK, the building part is...But it is this part, the B.S. that I wouldnt take on for nothing...
you learn to deal with it to move forward, it separates the men from the boys
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:47    Post subject:  

The line was drawn when average users were described as “beggars” who can’t be “choosers” and must settle for what they get or do it themselves.

If we were all developers we wouldn’t be where we are now with Royal Decrees passed down from on high to peasants who can either “put up or shut up”.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 17:49    Post subject:  

or the classic move on, like i even need someone to tell me

duh no kidding
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:02    Post subject:  

Hi Jay,

Well it's Saturday 21/2011 here and the world didn't end...not even a shake or meteor or rapture...grrr...I missed this one.

I always wondered if the world ends sooner in OZ as "time" comes there first..alas, we will never know the conundrum.

As for the Puppy High Command....as Warren said...deja vu all over again.

Put this thread to bed gents of tall stature and expensive habit.

We users are just fine thank you.

Eric

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:04    Post subject:  

if all was fine we wouldn't be here, when did you become a spokesperson?
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:12    Post subject:  

Hey Caneri,

I think the reason you didn’t get any donations is people saw that avatar you had and figured you’d blow the money on loose women and alcoholic beverages.

Don’t get your panties in a knot girlie, I’m just kidding. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:15    Post subject:  

i guess what some vets have to say that no one has responded to yet is irrelevant, seems to me that aitch is some sort of spokesperson

and here's what he has to say just recently
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=517690#517690
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Bug fixing/tracking.....

Is it POSSIBLE to at least devise a list, if not a small database, of

1/ bugs,
2/ pending/fixed status, and
3/ whether the fix is a patch,
4/ modifying some code,
5/ an addition, or whatever,
6/ how many testers have checked, and
7/ if any new errors arise, etc, and
8/ whether finally signed off, or not

Shouldn't this be more important than we seem to keep making it, as I absolutely fail to understand why ANY new version of Puppy is needed IF the old ones aren't finally FIXED!

And PLEASE no more 200 page threads needing analyzing to find the bugfixes

WE CAN do it BETTER!
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:18    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:
i guess what some vets have to say that no one has responded to yet is irrelevant, seems to me that aitch is some sort of spokesperson

In his dreams. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:21    Post subject:  

and the above issue that aitch mentions goes back years, matter of fact alienjeff and others were big on it at the time
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:23    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
The line was drawn when average users were described as “beggars” who can’t be “choosers” and must settle for what they get or do it themselves.

If we were all developers we wouldn’t be where we are now with Royal Decrees passed down from on high to peasants who can either “put up or shut up”.
Sorry, mite. Always thought that gcc etc. were indispensables of any linux distribution. Puppy stoves them shyly away in the devx, though. Where the f@#* are you coming from, mite?

Been a pupuser from the start, just never stumbled upon this forum till now.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 18:24    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Hi Eric.. Very Happy ...
"Same Stuff Different Day.... Rolling Eyes

Quote:
you learn to deal with it to move forward, it separates the men from the boys


Yea, well Micko can have it...
If it was me....well...this aint "Burger King"...

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