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Keef


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PostPosted: Wed 25 May 2011, 14:17    Post subject: Ye Olde Puplites  

Sc0ttman

Of historical interest only, but I am posting from Puplite2. It's a slim (54mb) but not barebones 2.02 based derivative with the 2.6.16.7 kernel. Just has Dillo as the browser, but I'm running OperaQT static.
Found the iso on the desktop PC's hdd - mainly used with XP (wife & kids), but can't remember where or when I downloaded it.
Running quite nicely on this Armada M700 P450 with 320mb RAM.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 May 2011, 15:16    Post subject: My plans for Puplite 6.0 Alpha
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Many thanks to you for your time spend and skills you have learned and pass on to us. Will be glad to try your new release when you get it finished. We are glad you are willing not to let one of the old PUPPIES DIE.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 May 2011, 07:40    Post subject: Re: Ye Olde Puplites  

Keef wrote:
Sc0ttman

Of historical interest only, but I am posting from Puplite2. It's a slim (54mb) but not barebones 2.02 based derivative with the 2.6.16.7 kernel. Just has Dillo as the browser, but I'm running OperaQT static.
Found the iso on the desktop PC's hdd - mainly used with XP (wife & kids), but can't remember where or when I downloaded it.
Running quite nicely on this Armada M700 P450 with 320mb RAM.

Thanks for the info.. Never seen that one... But now I know! Smile Hmmm... Should I rename my Puplite then? Would anyone care if I didn't bother to rename it? I doubt it... But I don't mind.

l2ulinux, it's my pleasure - I am totally aware that most of the stuff I do is not for 'mainstream' puppy users, and of no interest to most, but I like to put my stuff up here anyway - when I make stuff, it's only a little extra effort to document it, and then share it. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 13:50    Post subject:  

Interesting approach. 2 comments. You may want to choose or offer a rename contest on the new Pupplite6 name.; and , it appears that yo will be offereing kernel selection at boot time, so you may want to make that selection as user-friendly as possible: for example, kernels for "old P2-P3-P4s less than 2GHz", "Any PCs with more than 3.5GB RAM" and "PC built after 2006" assuming you do decide to run with the 3 kernels you've referenced..

Looking forward

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 16:13    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
Interesting approach. 2 comments. You may want to choose or offer a rename contest on the new Pupplite6 name.; and , it appears that yo will be offereing kernel selection at boot time, so you may want to make that selection as user-friendly as possible: for example, kernels for "old P2-P3-P4s less than 2GHz", "Any PCs with more than 3.5GB RAM" and "PC built after 2006" assuming you do decide to run with the 3 kernels you've referenced..

Looking forward

I've yet to decide on any final plans for kernel switching, but I was thinking more or less the same as you... List kernels, with description of ideal hardware, and date.

About the name, I will have a think... Maybe "Total Shitzu" lol ...

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 21:40    Post subject:  

Hello Iguleder, If you think 4.2.1 (Aprox June 2009) is too old then Legacy's 2.14 (Aprox Feb-March 2007) base must really annoy you. LOL!

Hello sc0ttman, Create what you want to give to the Puppy / Linux community and enjoy the experience of creating it.

While what you make won't suit everyone's hardware. It's sure to suit most.

Imagine if there was only one Puppy version available....

Now you know why there's Derivatives....

Puppy and Linux gives a user choices which Windows and Mac can't....

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PostPosted: Sat 28 May 2011, 06:42    Post subject:  

This jumps out at me:

Quote:
You may want to offer a contest to rename Pupplite 6.

Allowing users to control developers actions will not be tolerated by the Puppy Linux Community, it suggests that users deserve a seat at the table. I hereby publicly chastise you for suggesting such a thing, it might kill their “Puppy Spirit”.

My apologies to the OP, I couldn't resist the temptation. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 12:05    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
This jumps out at me:

Quote:
You may want to offer a contest to rename Pupplite 6.

Allowing users to control developers actions will not be tolerated by the Puppy Linux Community, it suggests that users deserve a seat at the table. I hereby publicly chastise you for suggesting such a thing, it might kill their “Puppy Spirit”.

My apologies to the OP, I couldn't resist the temptation. Very Happy

Suggestions are welcome... I'm crap at coming up with names..

Puplite will be more 'flexible' than 'light' at first boot than previously..
I have a plan to make the system as light as the user wants:

- I moved a number of startup commands and scripts into /etc/init.d/
- includes AVFS-mount, hotplugging, ROX desktop, Pwireless, filechooser-drives, taskbar apps, etc, etc
- I made a 'startup manager' that lets you choose what programs to load at boot up, will load at first boot
- the ROX desktop will now be enabled by default, with an option at 1st boot to switch to the 'JWM only' desktop instead
- at 1st boot, option to rebuild zdrv containing only the modules required for PC booted
- choose which drives to auto mount at boot

Also, small packages only will be included by default, but larger packages will be easily added through a quickpet rip-off Wink

So, not "Puplite", so much as "Pup-choose-how-light-you-want-to-go"... But that's a crap name, and I welcome suggestions...

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Puppyt

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun 2011, 04:27    Post subject:  

Hey sc0ttman -
really looking forward to seeing this one hatch - when you're good and ready.
What about a "Puppy Rescue"-specific spin-off based on your stripped-back v6? You could call it "BSOD" - Bitzer Survival-Operations Disk...

OK so I'm crap at names too Wink

Hex?

PS I don't know how it translates outside of Oz, but a "bitzer" is a mongrel - a dog with bitza this, bitza that. Just another idea from the mongrel nation, sc0ttman.

UPDATES: How about turning the problem on its head? LitePup?
Hmmm - light.... what about "Photon"?
Small, fast, light - Merlin? Peregrin?
Phaedrus? The 'wolf' in Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of [computer systems] Maintenance"
Orac?
HAL?
Dogzilla? (Maybe Shinobar should claim that one)
RoboPup?
Ruffian?
Marvin42?
Eddie?
Howl?
Fetch?
P-6?
Hibernia?
sc0tti?

Nah - I'm still crap.Rolling Eyes Brain hurts, but fun.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun 2011, 05:05    Post subject:  

Names:

Uppy - mind you is that taking the P out of Puppy?
Plite - nah that might get you into plight
Pupette - a bit too French for a sc0ttman?
Pup - is small and not yet being used - though it does have negative connotations in US
PupBite or just Bite - you being a ferocious MMA guy
Runt - we may have a user on IRC with this name but I rather like it, nobody expects much from it as it is small and then it surprises everyone . . .
Lpup - yep L for Learner - but then it is El Pup - a bit Spanish?
LOLpup - just seems to make me smile
AlphaPup - never finished but always the Alpha Dog

. . . just some ideas

Puplite - is OK too Cool

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun 2011, 16:53    Post subject:  

Loving the suggestions, I will end up either sticking with Puplite, just for simplicity, but will be ideally choosing a suggestion that takes my fancy! Very Happy And I'm gonna be using "bitzer" from now on, in everyday speech! I like that phrase... Typical Aussie simplicity.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun 2011, 18:35    Post subject:  

http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/Puppies/Breed.aspx
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 14:57    Post subject:  

Just an update, so I dont lose the list more than anything (in case I lose the files), I've built an updated Puplite, which basically has a Wary 'core' - the same glibc, gtk (and its deps) and ffmpeg. I also updated a few more things.

Here's a list of the pets I have added to Puplite, to make it wary 512 compatible:

Code:
atk-1.30.0-w5.pet
cairo-1.10.2-w5.pet
compositeproto-0.4-w5.pet
damageproto-1.1.0-w5.pet
fribidi-0.19.2-w5.pet
gcc_lib-4.3.4-1-w5.pet
gettext-0.17-w5.pet
glib-2.24.2-1-w5.pet
glibc-2.10.1-1-w5.pet
gtk+-2.20.1-1-w5.pet
libao-0.8.8-w5.pet
libart-2.3.20-w5.pet
libcap-2.17-w5.pet
libgee-0.5.2-w5.pet
libjpeg-7-w5.pet
libpng-1.2.44-patched_apng_t2-w5.pet
librsvg-2.32.1-w5.pet
libtiff-3.8.2-1-w5.pet
libx11-1.1.3-w5.pet
libxau-1.0.3-w5.pet
libxaw-1.0.4-w5.pet
libxcursor-1.1.9-w5.pet
libxdamage-1.1.1-w5.pet
libxdmcp-1.0.2-w5.pet
libxext-1.0.3-w5.pet
libxfixes-4.0.3-w5.pet
libxi-1.0.4-w5.pet
libxinerama-1.0.2-w5.pet
libxml2-2.7.6-w5.pet
libxpm-3.5.7-w5.pet
libxrandr-1.2.2-w5.pet
pango-1.28.1-w5.pet
pcre-8.00-1-w5.pet
pixman-0.18.4-w5.pet
sqlite-3.7.5-w5.pet
zlib-1.2.3-w5.pet
faac-1.28-w5.pet
faad2-2.7-w5.pet
ffmpeg-2010-09-23-1-w5.pet
libdc1394-2.1.2-w5.pet
libraw1394-2.0.2-w5.pet
libtheora-1.1.1-w5.pet
libvpx-0.9.2-i486-w5.pet
libxcb_base-1.1-w5.pet
opencore-amr-0.1.2-w5.pet
orc-0.4.9-w5.pet
schroedinger-1.0.9-w5.pet
SDL-1.2.14-w5.pet
speex-1.2rc1-w5.pet
vlc_nogui-1.1.5-w5.pet
x264-20100922-2245-w5.pet
xcb-proto-1.0-w5.pet
xcb-util-0.3.4-w5.pet
SDL-1.2.14-w5.pet
SDL_image-1.2.6-w5.pet
SDL_mixer-1.2.9-w5.pet
SDL_ttf-2.0.9-w5.pet


All works fine, this one will be the base for the next Puplite.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:27    Post subject: Puplite 6.0 Alpha
Subject description: Sounds Great
 

Your new PUPPY bases on the Wary core sounds like a great idea. Will be glad to give it a run when it comes out. That is what makes Puppy so great are the differ ways the programmer can build their own release.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 18:46    Post subject: Name
Subject description: Suggestion(s)
 

How about...

ScottPup, or ScottiePup, or just Scottie... Cool (does suggest a small size)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Terrier

Or even KiltPup... Surprised (suggests a lightweight size... and airy sensation Wink )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilt

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