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Posted: **Fri 26 Oct 2012, 05:27**

Tman wrote:Arefacti,

If you are in Tint2, left mouse-click on the clock and all windows will minimize, giving you access to wbar. Left click-on the clock a second time, and your windows will be restored.

In icewm, the "Show Desktop" button, next to the main menu button does the same thing.

Sorry, I do not believe that current versions of wbar have an option to be displayed on the top-most layer of the desktop. Using the Show Desktop function is the next best thing.

Thanks for your answer Tman.
I believed that with the option : --above-desk
we got the wbar always above all the other windows.

perhaps cairo ? perhaps I'll try to install it..if I'll found it

Posted: **Fri 26 Oct 2012, 14:19**

Arefacti wrote:Arefacti,
I believed that with the option : --above-desk

Yes, I thought so too, but it seems that option only makes wbar display above the wallpaper, and above the Rox Pinboard.. not above any open windows.

I had in the back of mind the following combination for a different desktop environment:
Rox Session/Rox Pinboard + Openbox + xfce panel... But that is for a later time.

The xfce panel, with its new drag-and-drop feature, could be an alternative for wbar. This combo should be lighter than the full Xfce desktop environment.

Posted: **Fri 26 Oct 2012, 17:58**

Tman wrote:
Arefacti wrote:Arefacti,
I believed that with the option : --above-desk
Yes, I thought so too, but it seems that option only makes wbar display above the wallpaper, and above the Rox Pinboard.. not above any open windows.

I had in the back of mind the following combination for a different desktop environment:
Rox Session/Rox Pinboard + Openbox + xfce panel... But that is for a later time.

The xfce panel, with its new drag-and-drop feature, could be an alternative for wbar. This combo should be lighter than the full Xfce desktop environment.

great, understanding
perhaps later, so

Thanks !

Posted: **Sat 27 Oct 2012, 21:00**

Here is a teaser pic of ROX + Openbox + xfce4-panel.

The base is done, but it still need to fix the menus, becuase so many items are in the "Other" menu. This desktop environment will be available by default in the non-Lite version.

Posted: **Sun 28 Oct 2012, 06:23**

GREAT !
sure it will be appreciate a lot !

Posted: **Sun 28 Oct 2012, 15:01**

If you just want Wbar (and/or Tint2) to no be covered up by open windows .... just set the margins in Openbox configuration Manager - Margins ... to leave these areas uncovered. Top-58, bottom-32 works well on my screen. You can still move windows to the edges of the screen but they should no automatically maximize to cover those areas.

In IceWM (my favorite), I do not think there is a way to insure Wbar remains uncovered.

I have been using Solid pup 5.1.1-B rc2 a lot lately and I like it. Only problem I have had is that sometime it locks-up on an X restart, shutdown, or reboot when I am running IceWM. Seems random but may be related to some prior activity during that session ..... more testing needed. So Far, no lock-ups while using Openbox. Thanks ... KJ

Posted: **Sun 28 Oct 2012, 16:40**

Hello Kj,

I tried the margins, but my pc is an...eeepc

so, with margins, in one year I'll have to buy a blind guide dog..or better : a blind guide puppy

Posted: **Sun 28 Oct 2012, 18:36**

KJ wrote:just set the margins in Openbox configuration Manager - Margins ... to leave these areas uncovered. Top-58, bottom-32 works well on my screen. You can still move windows to the edges of the screen but they should no automatically maximize to cover those areas.

Hmmm, that gives me an idea. I could get a widescreen monitor and reserve the right hand margin and put the wbar there vertically. (then the windows will be over at top left where I like them, but wbar will still be visible). I never really liked widescreen - but maybe that would be a good way to use one.

Posted: **Mon 29 Oct 2012, 16:49**

Tman wrote:I've decided to get back on the saddle and work on another puplet..well not a brand new one.
I felt that I had left SolidPup sort-of unfinished, so I decided to work on it some more.
This will probably be the final release for version 5.1.1. It should be ready in a couple weeks. There will be a lot of changes.

Hi, recently I had seen something on this forum that Solidpup was to be a kind-of simplified Puppy, and thought to put it on my friend's new (old) computer, a Dell Latitude D610.
All she does is internet email (Yahoo) and Web browsing, and uses the Opera browser.

But I've run into a problem, which I think Pemasu mentioned somewhere in this forum: when I click on shutdown and choose the restart X, the computer seems to do nothing, with a dark screen.
After a while, all I can do is power off.

Thanks,
Sheldon

Posted: **Mon 29 Oct 2012, 17:09**

KJ: The only problem with your idea with Openbox margins is that it reduces screen real-estate.
I would rather just use the toggle ShowDesktop function, but thanks for the suggestion.

sheldonisaac wrote: Hi, recently I had seen something on this forum that Solidpup was to be a kind-of simplified Puppy, and thought to put it on my friend's new (old) computer, a Dell Latitude D610.
All she does is internet email (Yahoo) and Web browsing, and uses the Opera browser.

But I've run into a problem, which I think Pemasu mentioned somewhere in this forum: when I click on shutdown and choose the restart X, the computer seems to do nothing, with a dark screen.
After a while, all I can do is power off.

Thanks,
Sheldon

Hmmm, I've never encountered that problem, but I think it might do something with certain video drivers.
Try setting up a savefile with Pupsaveconfig then reboot the computer.
The machine may go black for a while, as it creates a savefile before the reboot, but hopefully, it will work for you.

I have no solution for the black screen. Maybe Pemasu or someone else will have the needed info.

By coincidence. I have made a patch for Solidpup511-B Lite rc2 with bug fixes.
The pet also contains modifed restarwm, wmpoweroff, and wmrestart scripts...these are needed for use with "openbox + xfce4-panel"

I will be posting the patch shortly.
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Posted: **Mon 29 Oct 2012, 17:45**

Tman wrote:Hmmm, I've never encountered that problem, but I think it might do something with certain video drivers.
Try setting up a savefile with Pupsaveconfig then reboot the computer.
The machine may go black for a while, as it creates a savefile before the reboot, but hopefully, it will work for you.

I have no solution for the black screen. Maybe Pemasu or someone else will have the needed info.

Thanks, Tman. That was a fast reply!

I am trying that on my own Dell D610.

Thus far I have a new warysave-oct29.2fs in the /mnt/home/solid/ directory.
Rebooted OK.
Then I copied it to /mnt/home/pristine-warysave-oct29.2fs
Rebooted OK.

I'm fairly sure it's 1024x768 24-color. Where do I look to check that?

Now I'll try Shutdown -> Restart X

Good! Back to the desktop!

Now what about Restart WM ..

AH! Good!! Also worked!

THANK YOU!!

I'll be back later with questions on simplifying the desktop even more for her.

Thanks again,

Sheldon

Posted: **Mon 29 Oct 2012, 18:30**

sheldonisaac wrote: I'm fairly sure it's 1024x768 24-color. Where do I look to check that?

From the console, type:xorgwizard and you'll find the settings in there...
it won't help if you're screen is black in the console though.

But you would get the same startup screen if you booted without a savefile, or in "pfix=ram" mode.

Posted: **Mon 29 Oct 2012, 18:41**

I have created a patch for Solidpup-511-Lite-rc2.
Also, I have made an xfce4-panel pet available for testing.

For the xfce4-panel to work you need to install all of the pets linked below:
0) solid511B_Lite_rc2_patch-1.pet (not necessary for solidpups newer than 511-B-rc2)
1) dbus-1.2.4.2permissive-1-w5.pet
2) dbus_glib-0.88-solid511B.pet
3) libwnck-2.30.7-solid511B.pet
4) xfce4panel_FULL-4.10-solid511B.pet

5) REBOOT the computer...needed for the newly installed dbus and dbus-glib to work.

If you want to get tint2 panel back, you need to manually edit the file named: /etc/openbox_panel ... change xfce4-panel to tint2 (no spaces) and restart-x.
An automated system for this is in the works.

The great thing about this panel is that you can drag and drop items from the menu to the panel (taskbar) or from the menu to the desktop.
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Posted: **Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:47**

Tman wrote:I have created a patch for Solidpup-511-Lite-rc2.
Also, I have made an xfce4-panel pet available for testing.

For the xfce4-panel to work you need to install all of the pets linked below:
0) solid511B_Lite_rc2_patch-1.pet (not necessary for solidpups newer than 511-B-rc2)
1) dbus-1.2.4.2permissive-1-w5.pet
2) dbus_glib-0.88-solid511B.pet
3) libwnck-2.30.7-solid511B.pet
4) xfce4panel_FULL-4.10-solid511B.pet

5) REBOOT the computer...needed for the newly installed dbus and dbus-glib to work.

If you want to get tint2 panel back, you need to manually edit the file named: /etc/openbox_panel ... change xfce4-panel to tint2 (no spaces) and restart-x.
An automated system for this is in the works.

The great thing about this panel is that you can drag and drop items from the menu to the panel (taskbar) or from the menu to the desktop.
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hum, at this time, don't work for me.
I didn't find the /etc/openbox_panel file, so I created it ?
but no, don't work.
later, sure !

Posted: **Tue 30 Oct 2012, 13:02**

Arefacti wrote: I didn't find the /etc/openbox_panel file, so I created it ?
but no, don't work.
later, sure !

You need to install all of the pets in the list.
Disregard message to restart-x, but after installing all of the pets, reboot the computer.

If it still doesn't work, don't worry...I will put out a pup that comes with it preinstalled.

EDIT: oh, and if you are in icewm, you need to switch to Openbox. This can be done easily by using WM Switcher.
typing restartwm openbox from the terminal will also work.

Posted: **Tue 30 Oct 2012, 16:59**

Tman wrote:I have created a patch for Solidpup-511-Lite-rc2.
Also, I have made an xfce4-panel pet available for testing.

For the xfce4-panel to work you need to install all of the pets linked below:
0) solid511B_Lite_rc2_patch-1.pet (not necessary for solidpups newer than 511-B-rc2)
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Sorry, what is the patch supposed to do?

Below is my specs; do I need the patch? Thanks

=== Distro Specifications ===

Operating System: SolidPup 511
Desktop Panel: tint2 version 0.9rc1
Desktop Window Manager: Openbox 3.4.11
Desktop Start: xwin openbox

=== /etc/DISTRO_SPECS ===

#One or more words that identify this distribution:
DISTRO_NAME='SolidPup'
#A three-digit numeric value, version number of this distribution:
DISTRO_VERSION=511
#A two-digit numeric value, minor-version number of this distribution:
DISTRO_MINOR_VERSION=00
#The distro whose binary packages were used to build this distribution:
DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT='puppy'
#Prefix for some filenames: exs: qrkysave.2fs, qrky-141.sfs
DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX='wary'
#The version of the distro whose binary packages were used to build this distro:
DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION='wary5'
#the kernel pet package used:
DISTRO_KERNEL_PET='linux_kernel-2.6.32.28-2-w5.pet'
#16-byte alpha-numeric ID-string appended to vmlinuz, wary_511.sfs, zw511228.sfs and devx.sfs:
DISTRO_IDSTRING='w511110528171105'
#Puppy default filenames...
#Note, the 'SFS' files below are what the 'init' script in initrd.gz searches for,
#for the partition, path and actual files loaded, see PUPSFS and ZDRV in /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE
DISTRO_PUPPYSFS='wary_511.sfs'
DISTRO_ZDRVSFS='zw511228.sfs'

Posted: **Tue 30 Oct 2012, 17:45**

Hi Sheldon,

The patch contains some bug fixes, and hacked scripts.
It mainly has fixes for wbar, and hacked restartwm, wmreboot, and wmpoweroff scripts necessary for xfce4-panel.
So, in short..if you don't want to install the xfce4-panel to run with openbox, then you don't really need the patch.

Also I am uploading a Solidpup OBXF version.
OBXF is just short for "Openbox-xfce4panel". This is mainly to test the new desktop envrionment for bugs.
Along with the files needed to run xfce4-panel, I have only added Opera as an additional app, so far.
More apps will be added later on...

Please don't try to download the new OBXF pup yet... current upload time remaining is about 1hour from now.

Posted: **Tue 30 Oct 2012, 19:18**

YES Tman !
It works !
very ergonomic !
Thannnnnnnnnnnnnks !

I want too put a screen capture but don't know how, I look too

Edit :

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Very sorry for the great pic, when I'll find how I must do to make good, I'll do

In fact, my problem was I have not the /etc/openbox_panel file.
So, I did a symlink /usr/bin/xfce4-panel in the /root/Startup directory (and remove the symlink wmbar in).

Posted: **Tue 30 Oct 2012, 20:49**

Arefacti wrote: In fact, my problem was I have not the /etc/openbox_panel file.
So, I did a symlink /usr/bin/xfce4-panel in the /root/Startup directory (and remove the symlink wmbar in).

It sounds like you didn't install the patch first, because the patch also removes that symlink to wbar and replaces it with "wbar_launcher".
When xfce4-panel is running, the wrapper doesn't run wbar...but wbar will launch by itself in icewm. I recommend installing the patch now... the desktop will revert back to openbox + tint2 once you restart-x.

Next enter this in the terminal:

Code: Select all

geany /etc/openbox_panel

In this text file, just put the command for the panel you want to run... tint2, xfce4-panel. fbpanel etc...
Of course, fbpanel is not installed by default, so it will only work after you install it. fbpanel-6.0-patched-3-q1.pet

I have just found a rather odd problem with Opera... .pet files downloaded as .gz files.

Does anyone know the solution for this???

Posted: **Wed 31 Oct 2012, 05:10**

> I have just found a rather odd problem with Opera... .pet files downloaded as .gz files. Does anyone know the solution for this???

Yep. Simply rename them with a *.pet suffix when you save them. Will unpack and install stuff as usual.
Probably opera derives its suffix from the first few bytes of the file instead of the filename itself. (And indeed pet files do use the .gz compression.)

BFN.

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