Wary Puppy 5.1.4 - 29 August 2011

[nooby]

Test booting frugally on ntfs on internal hdd on Acer D250 10" Netbook.

Flash works on SeaMonkey but despite setting is 1024 x 768 it only show 1024 x 600 on the external screen that I use for my old eyes that don't like the 10" small text.

Same with viewnior it also only show 1024 x 600

all else works good. I tested both the uni and the not uni. Both loaded and booted and looked and behaved the same. I used the nosmp code in kernel line.

here is the pic to show how it looks with 1024 x 600 it leave a huge area unused.

Lupu 513 and 525 and 528 allow me to see the whole resolution 1024 x 768 while Wary Puppy and Slacko seems to have code that is different to Lucid Puppy so Wary and Slacko both only allowing 1024 x 600

[Billtoo]

Manual frugal install to emachines D620 laptop.
Used SNS to setup wireless connection.
Sound okay, used video upgrade wizard to download mesa.

Mon 29 Aug 2011 Operating System: Wary Puppy-5.1.4 Linux 2.6.32-smp
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: RS690 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.3.0
dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)

AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 2650e
Core 0: 1595 MHz

[BarryK]

fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found

Why are bug reports not being taken seriously ? I am repeating same things again and again. Will stop testing soon.

That is not a bug, Wary does not have such an application.

The 'fsck' utility looks for something named fsck.<fstype> which points to the actual program. However, there is nothing in Wary or any other Puppy that will check or repair an ntfs f.s.

Not that I know of anyway, that is compatible with the call mechanism via fsck. I could be wrong though.

Wary does however have 'ntfsfix', which is a very basic ntfs f.s. repair utility. It does not do a complete repair, only some simple things. It might make the f.s. bootable by Windows and then Windows will do a proper repair.

[linuxcbon]

OK a websearch showed fsck.ntfs doesn't exist, too bad, maybe a link to ntfsfix can solve it ?
I was also refering to previous bugs, like flv not showing, csv, ntfs, keyboard language, menu.lst, hotmail, ext4, empty dirs, hosts.conf, /etc/groups, mouse scroll...

[Aitch]

ntfsfix only flags the drive so windoze will run chkdsk next boot into windoze

ntfsck was under development by Anton Altaparmakov, but seems to have stalled?

http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-Ntfsprogs-- ... 72855.html

I found ntfsprogs-2.0.0.tar.gz, which may contain ntfsck...but I haven't checked it


http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-n ... z/download

Barry

Anton's development seems to have been absorbed into Tuxera
I don't know if you can include/update NTFS-3G with ntfsprogs for Wary

http://www.tuxera.com/open-source/relea ... 2011-4-12/

Aitch

[roadkill13]

@linuxcbon

I hope that I can be of some assistance with most of the issues that you have raised. I did not address the file system issue as Aitch has responded to that. Please correct me if I have misunderstood any of your posts.

flv not showing

Are you talking about video thumbnails in ROX?

I know that at one time ROX supported images for video file thumbnails in ROX Filer. I have used ROX as compiled for various linux systems over the years and do not recall ever using one that had that enabled by default.

As such that is not really a bug. It is more of a wish list item isn't it?

csv in gnumeric

Gnumeric does open csv files. Also if you right click on a csv file in Rox Filer a context menu will pop up allowing the user to "set run action". Enter gnumeric prior to the "$@" and gnumeric will open csv files just by clicking on them. This has been a design feature of most puppies that I have ever used.

As such that is not really a bug. It is more of a wish list item (having file association preset) isn't it?

Also there is an application in the "Setup" menu called "default applications chooser".

hotmail

You originally presented this as an XML PARSER error that appears when attempting to open messages downloaded from Hotmail with Seamonkey Mail.

First: So far I have not had any issues with hotmail in Seamonkey Mail.

But, I have seen that xml parser error before. This is not a Puppy Linux issue as it appears in Seamonkey 1.x and 2.x browsers when attempting to load various pages. It may be a problem in other linux browsers as well but I have not checked them. As I recall it is replicated on other linux systems.

Explanation: Many websites are optimized for Internet Explorer. Some of these pages are properly displayed with a current Firefox or Safari browser. However the "sites" are detecting the browsers useragent id.

When certain useragent id's are detected a browser upgrade window may appear prompting the user to upgrade the browser. This happens with Seamonkey 1.x when I attempt to log in at live.com.

NOTE:

I received that same xml parser error in Seamonkey as previously described in this post on certain sites. I found that if I used an useragentswitcher extension (installed by default on Seamonkey in Wary) and changed the useragent I could "spoof" the site causing it to properly render the page in Seamonkey.

Again, this does not appear to be a bug.

grub not creating menu.1st on universal install

I have not tried the universal installer for Wary 5.14 as I downloaded the ISO from Lucid and manually setup a frugal install.

My experience with Puppy and the universal installer is that it will create a file called "newgrub.txt" and place it in /tmp. This can be used for the menu.1st. A dialogue box appears at the end of the process that informs the user of this fact.

Based on my experience I would say that again, this is not a bug. Rather more of a wish list item isn't it?

mouse scroll

This is a design feature of the window manager JWM. Right clicking (or clicking the window icon on left side of title bar) on the title bar of any application will bring up a context menu. You will note that "shade" is an option. If the app window is shaded then "unshade" will be an option.

Again this is a design feature and not a bug.

keyboard language

I know that changes in the layout of puppies that I have used so far cause X to restart. Perhaps it can be done the way you suggest.

But again this is not a bug is it?

Perhaps developers are not responding to your posts because they are busy tracking down and fixing bugs.

There is a thread in the forum about how to give effective but reports. Found here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36872

Hope that helps.

[rjbrewer]

Glx gears;
Inspiron 700m single core;

Wary 513: 1240 frames in 5.1 seconds.
Wary 514: 1100 frames in 5.1 seconds.
Wary Uni: 1300 frames in 5.1 seconds.

[gcmartin]

@Barry asked for UNI experiences

Running Live media (LiveCD) WARY 5.1.4 on a UNI. Included is the system report. Seemingly is working without issues for the apps tested. Performance seems same as before.

System P3 384MB RAM, ethenet adapter card, ISA and PCI card slots. HP Pavilion.

Hope this helps

[roadkill13]

Here is the report from uniprocessor system on 5.14.

[Ray MK]

Hi Barry

HTH - very best regards - Ray

[Billtoo]

I did a manual frugal install to a compaq desktop pc.
Sound and wired network good, I used the video upgrade wizard to
install the mesa driver.

Mon 29 Aug 2011 Operating System: Wary Puppy-5.1.4 Linux 2.6.32-smp
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.3.0
dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (376x301 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20060602 AGP 8x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Core 0: 2800 1: 2800 MHz

# glxgears
8344 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1668.683 FPS
8468 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1693.590 FPS
8470 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1693.828 FPS

Wary 514 is working well with this older ati graphics card.

[BarryK]

Perhaps developers are not responding to your posts because they are busy tracking down and fixing bugs.

Yes, most of what linuxcbon has posted are opinions about how things should be. They are not bugs. I have to prioritize everything, so such reports get put low on my agenda.

However...

Mime handling for csv is something that can be added to ROX-Filer. That is a feature request. Ok, I have done it -- the correct mime handling is now in Woof, so the file will display with appropriate icon and the 'defaultspreadsheet' will execute.

[BarryK]

ntfsfix only flags the drive so windoze will run chkdsk next boot into windoze

ntfsck was under development by Anton Altaparmakov, but seems to have stalled?

http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-Ntfsprogs-- ... 72855.html

I found ntfsprogs-2.0.0.tar.gz, which may contain ntfsck...but I haven't checked it


http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-n ... z/download

Barry

Anton's development seems to have been absorbed into Tuxera
I don't know if you can include/update NTFS-3G with ntfsprogs for Wary

http://www.tuxera.com/open-source/relea ... 2011-4-12/

Aitch

Thanks for that info about merged ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs:

http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/

No, ntfsprogs does not have ntfsck, only ntfsfix.

[4-stroke]

VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 5.1.4

Chip description:
oem: NVidia
product: NV10 Reference Board Chip Rev A1

Driver used by Xorg:
nv

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

The video upgrade wizard recommends the 71.86.14 driver but I need the 96.xx.xx.

Everything else works great! Thanks!

[tiangeng]

Where to download wary-5.1.3.4-uni's devx.sfs?

[linuxcbon]

No this is bugs.
- hotmail : average users don't know what headers are. Please change useragent.
- modify a file in ntfs : geany says "error saving file, operation not supported".
- csv : feature request.
- flv videos dont show image in gmplayer, only sound.
I found the solution with gmplayer -vo x11 file.flv
But puppy uses by default gmplayer -really-quiet -vo xv file.flv
- universal installer doesnt install grub.
- mouse scroll , this is bad design.
- keyboard language, why need X restart ?
There is a solution loadkmap < /usr/share/kmap/es.map
Where are kmap files ?
Kmaps files are in gz in /lib/keymaps ?
Found solution : gunzip /lib/keymaps/es.gz | loadkmap
something like that...
to be continued...

[mmmrr]

@tiangeng

copied from barry's blog:

'devx' SFS file for complete compiling support (120.1MB):
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/wary-5 ... _5.1.4.sfs

cheers, mm

[linuxcbon]

- empty dirs : why keep on having those ?
/etc/belocs
/etc/dbus-1
/etc/gftp
/etc/pam.d
/etc/simple_network_setup
and others...

- hosts.conf should be

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order hosts, bind
multi off
nospoof on

See http://tldp.org/LDP/nag/node82.html
I tried multi on, but didnt work, so kept multi off.

- Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
Because of binary modules like nvidia...

- /etc/group : contains unused groups , like tape, webgroup ?

- /etc/profile should contain exported variables only like : export HISTSIZE=10
it contains exec xwin ?

- same for /root/.bashrc should only have things like

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alias ll='ls -l'
PS1=whatever you want....
export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%Y/%m/%d_%T : "

These are not features request, these are unix standards.

[James C]

Another fresh manual frugal install of Wary 514 on an even older box.Display,sound and internet all working on initial boot.


VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 5.1.4

Chip description:
Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 530/620 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter

Driver used by Xorg:
sis

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 16 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video


-Computer-
Processor : M II 2.5x Core/Bus Clock
Memory : 120MB (58MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Mon 29 Aug 2011 11:46:50 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa GLX Indirect
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ES1938 - ESS ES1938 (Solo-1)

-Version-
Kernel : Linux 2.6.32-smp (i686)


-Processor-
Name : M II 2.5x Core/Bus Clock
Family, model, stepping : 6, 2, 4 (VIA Cyrix III (M2 core))
Vendor : CyrixInstead
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 0kb
Frequency : 250.09MHz
BogoMIPS : 500.17
Byte Order : Little Endian
-Features-
FDIV Bug : no
HLT Bug : no
F00F Bug : no
Coma Bug : no
Has FPU : yes
-Cache-
Cache information not available
-Capabilities-
fpu : Floating Point Unit
de : Debug Extensions - I/O breakpoints
tsc : Time Stamp Counter and RDTSC instruction
msr : Model Specific Registers
cx8 : CMPXCHG8 instruction
pge : Page Global Enable
cmov : Conditional Move instruction
mmx : MMX technology
cyrix_arr : Cyrix ARRs (= MTRRs)
up : smp kernel running on up


# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 120780 115004 5776 0 15300
Swap: 530136 404 529732
Total: 650916 115408 535508

Might be a little slow,but Wary installed and is working pretty well on this old box.

[Sage]

Nice one, James C. When I moved last year, some things just had to go. With a tear in my eye, boxloads of P I, Cyrix and even K6-III were bid farewell along with their boards - all in GWO; probably reduced for their auric complement by now.
Your efforts will doubtless cheer little old ladies in Novo-Sibirsk, teens in the DRC and fellow Welsh-speaking Patagonians who will, generators permitting, be able to email you directly with their thanks!