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wuwei


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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 04:10    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:

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once you install the missing local and then set the local, and then restartX, then mtpaint screenshot works, Xdialog needs the local to be set, before its fully functional.


Well, setting the country local is the first default window that opens on a fresh install. I tried de and de-Euro. Neither has any bearing on mtpaintsnapshot. A wrong gtk theme has, but even when I use the default theme gradient-grey I can only get to the window where one chooses the delay. Clicking on Okay has no result. No mtpaint window opens, no shot is taken, no file saved.

Further:

I did a manual frugal install of spup120 on another PC at another location. This one sits behind a router, no pppoe to configer. Internet connection is established fine, I am writing from it now.
Desktop came up perfect on an old nVidia card. No shift, no distortion, just perfect! The graphics are so old (2001 or so), that Hardinfo can't even give a description.

All in all....spup120 is on the right track, fun to use!
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 05:04    Post subject:  
Subject description: Update
 

Downloaded spup-120.iso.
Checksum matched.
Did a poor=mans frugal install, and booted with pfix=ram.
Desktop was trashed and could not make out anything.
alt-ctrl-bksp out and ran xorgwizard.
With my Nvidia GeForce 6150 SE video card, neither nvidia driver did anything but take me back to the prompt after selecting the driver and typing xwin.
So I figure "What the heck" and try the vesa driver.
And I am told it cannot be found!

So now you know of my rough start.

I think Flash has the same model of PC as I have right down to the video card.
I guess I should have read through the thread before I posted.
I will give the xorgwizard patch a try.

So until I can get to a desktop, I will not be of much help.

Back so soon am posting in edited post.
I used "Edit-SFS" to uncompress, edit, and recompress the spup.sfs file to get the updated xorgwizard installed.
But even though it works now, I still am unable to get a good display with nveau (spelling) driver and the nv one does not work.
Also, when I select "vesa" the test box that shows on the screen looks good. But the PC locks up after.
That is currently about as detailed as I can get.
But I also wanted to pass along the thought of using "Edit-SFS" for applying quick fixes to the SFS file without having to do a full rebuild.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 05:37    Post subject:  

I Updated my little script which is the Send-to-Backgrounds script, now it not only sends the image to the background that it will also launch Pwallpaper setter, So you can select it and if you add another image it will kill Pwallpaper and restart it, basically refreshing it.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 06:46    Post subject:  

for people who want to mess around and make wallpapers here's an extra large slackware logo I found and also I took the logo and used its colour to fill and make a really small basic slackware background, its 20kb smaller than the smallest fullsize background included in spup.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 07:14    Post subject:  



wiki page for spup noob developers
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/NoobHelp

video promo for Spot - please put on blog, tweet etc
http://youtu.be/mw0kKzlrxAM

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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 07:16    Post subject:  

Ok having a bit of fun with gimp now, lol
Here's what happens when you breed a pup with a slackware Smile
and also included a neon version I could touch up a bit, it was quick, lol
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 08:16    Post subject:  

Hi ttuuxxx and Lobster

I remembered this post from Barry's blog last year..

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01688

He was in some conversation with Patrick and Ladislav.. the main point is Patrick's response..
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I'm pretty darn neutral when it comes to this sort of thing, really. Especially since there's not a whole lot that I can do. Smile So, unless something gets extremely close to the name "Slackware" I tend to neither endorse nor object. But so you know, I don't feel like I have any claim to the -ware suffix, but perhaps feel like I have some claim to the Slack- prefix, at least where it comes to Linux related things. And perhaps Ladislav has a point about branding -- it's probably less confusing to name things as different variants of Puppy Linux. Your call though.


Now, seems Pat is fairly easy going, but he kinda likes to have a claim on "Slack" part of things, I reckon we should respect that and also the slackware official logo.. not that Pat would do anything in a legal sense but we wouldn't want to piss him off either Wink . I guess that's why all the offshoots don't include "Slack" in the name.

Another interesting point Barry raises is the versioning. If he were to continue with his spup he'd have called it "Puppy Linux Slack Edition" version 1.0 -- yes, 1.0, not 5.0" (quote).

Just some food for thought.. while I try and solve this most difficult azerty/qwertz bug in reference to fr and sk keyboards! (and xorgwizard too)

Oh, my opinion about the slackware logo.. nothing wrong with it in wallpapers and such, that's fine I think, but not in the boot image and default wallpaper.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 08:36    Post subject:  

Hi mick

Ok I understand what you meant, but if Spup is going to be Spup 1.0 than why wasn't Upup not Upup 1.0, and Upup 5.0 ? / puppy 5.0?? lol "beep beep, does not compute!, does not compute!!"
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 08:43    Post subject:  

hehe.. I don't care what version this project gets assigned... if at all! (I think I said that). It's really up to Barry.

Probably the main point was the naming.. and perhaps the logo, though Pat didn't specifically mention the logo. Like I said, fine in wallpapers and whatever IMHO but in the first boot I think you may have to edit your pic. Smile (I was planning on using it)

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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 11:59    Post subject:  

ok here's another splash logo, I think this one should do, lol
It looks like the png below
the way its made you'll have 2 block to use for version numbers either or.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 12:42    Post subject:
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ttuuxxx,
I know you are on a programmer's high. Smile
I used to get those when I was really involved in a project.
But rest is important too.
Get some.

If we really want to make some points with the linux world, all we have to do is figure out the exact cause and a fix for the linux Black Screen of Death.

For me, it is back with spup-120 and I cannot even get vesa to work as a display mode.
And after doing a search of the web, that problem seems to be wide spread and with many versions of linux.

Well, one thing I can say is that in having to work from a command prompt with no desktop, I had a learning experience!
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 13:19    Post subject:
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8-bit wrote:
ttuuxxx,
I know you are on a programmer's high. Smile
I used to get those when I was really involved in a project.
But rest is important too.
Get some.

If we really want to make some points with the linux world, all we have to do is figure out the exact cause and a fix for the linux Black Screen of Death.

For me, it is back with spup-120 and I cannot even get vesa to work as a display mode.
And after doing a search of the web, that problem seems to be wide spread and with many versions of linux.

Well, one thing I can say is that in having to work from a command prompt with no desktop, I had a learning experience!

naaa its not that, Its that I have a 3 month old daughter and so I'm a at home dad until she's about 6 months old, she's not sleeping the nights and hardly sleeping the days, 2hrs here 2hrs there, one 5hr a day, she's not on solids yet that's why she isn't sleeping that well. I'm at home dad because my wife makes almost double what I do, lol
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 13:34    Post subject:  

I commend you for being able to juggle everything and still have time for puppy development!
And I am sure that daughter helps out with puppy any way she can! Smile

But on my video problem, any suggestions as to how to get a desktop?
I already tried tweeking the refresh rate on the nuveau driver, but maybe I need to tweek both the horizontal and vertical refresh rates.
That driver worked for me in lupu and makes me wonder what got broke with it.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 May 2011, 18:50    Post subject:  

8-bit wrote:
I commend you for being able to juggle everything and still have time for puppy development!
And I am sure that daughter helps out with puppy any way she can! Smile

But on my video problem, any suggestions as to how to get a desktop?
I already tried tweeking the refresh rate on the nuveau driver, but maybe I need to tweek both the horizontal and vertical refresh rates.
That driver worked for me in lupu and makes me wonder what got broke with it.


Maybe bootup lupu and get the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and use the settings that it provides, I did ask micko for the 2.6.34.1 kernel headers, So that I could look at compiling the driver, but still no answer as of yet, really I think that 100% of the time the kernel headers should be included in the devx.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 May 2011, 02:00    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx,

"nv" driver is already in there. No need to compile. The source for 2.6.34.1 kernel is at bkhome/sources. It's Barry's kernel compile for now.

Xorgwizard will need a major rewrite with this version of Xorg. Nothing works properly with it, even the patch I made a couple of days ago isn't right. It may even be time to dump xorgwizard completely and figure out other ways to manipulate things affected by /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

This (and since xorg-7.4) version does not need an xorg.conf. Separate files are supposed to be stored in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for manipulating keyboard, mouse, touchpad settings and I think xrandr for screen res.

The current xorgwizard keeps trying to load "modesetting" driver for me, I have to edit xorg.conf by hand to get the nvidia driver to work. Also the nouveau kernel module doesn't like to unload. May have to add it to the blacklist when trying to use nv or nvidia drivers. I have seen some very strange thigs on my screen! Once both nouveau and nvidia kernel modules decided to load and vesa video driver loaded, I got a garbled X with puppy logos accross the top of screen!

On the good news I think I've solved the time bug and a keyboard bug but not the azerty/qwertz/fr/sk keyboard bug.. it's proving a tough nut to crack. I need to find compliant souces for those keymaps from T2, but they are eluding me so far.

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