spup-121.02 pre-alpha3 based on 13.37

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DaveS · #481 Post by **DaveS** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 10:35

Aitch wrote:mileslr/guys discussing browser/placement

I agree cache overfilling has been a problem, but my key request would have to be that a browser be accessible from multiple puppies in my boot list, so that favourite settings/addons/saved sites are retained for whichever puppy I use/test and need my browser to run in

I've seen a post demonstrating this, but can't locate it....sorry,
....but that would be a big plus to puppy's usability and PR, for me

Aitch

Been running this way for years Aitch. Just move your browser (if it is Seamonkey) from /usr/lib to somewhere in /mnt/home, I use a directory called 'common', then symlink it back. Do the same with /root/.mozilla, and you got it. All you have to do then is set up the symlinks in any puppy you want, and you will effectively be running from a single instance of the browser. The latest Opera is even easier, as it installs the whole shebang in a single opera directory.
Do Firefox the same as Seamonkey. Dont know about Chrome as that is one browser I just dont get along with.

Aitch · #482 Post by **Aitch** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 10:42

DaveS

Thanks, I'm hoping to get puppy/derivative devs interested in making that the default install for any browser, including downloadable addins

....it would give Puppy a boost I believe, in reviews, if it was press released as a puppy feature other LinuxOSs don't have [assuming that to be the case...?]

Aitch

Bert · #483 Post by **Bert** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 12:31

Great discussion on browser placement..I was hoping this would happen

I agree 100% with you Aitch..

DaveS, no problem to do the same with Chromium/Chrome/Iron. Basically the same steps as for the Mozilla browsers. Chromium puts its cache in /root/.cache.(hidden dir) It suffices to move it to the Chromium directory in /mnt/home -or wherever you unpacked it outside of the save file- and link back to its place of origin in /root.

I think Béèm is the most advanced user of this way of running software. IIRC, his save file is only 32MB and he runs all big apps this way, not just the browser. ( My save files are always 1GB, just to be sure...

) Next time I'm in Brussels I will try to steal the script he uses to automate it all

This discussion would be a good candidate to move to the new PUG thread, also to avoid taking too much attention away from Spup development.

Thanks all.

01micko · #484 Post by **01micko** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 12:49

Ok... browsers can be run outside the save... but what about Fido?

Things to consider.. (from my point of view

)

*browser works
*browser doesn't chew cache like a vampire on heat
*browser is secure .. (in the eye of the beholder as well as realistically)
*browser performs
*browser can be updated
*installing new browser makes whitespace (because orig is defunct)
*security... (yes again)
*browser must not suck... (OMG.. does SM suck that bad? )

Not so easy huh?

Iguleder · #485 Post by **Iguleder** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 13:18

* browser works

Firefox!

*browser doesn't chew cache like a vampire on heat

Opera!

*browser is secure .. (in the eye of the beholder as well as realistically)

Anything but IE with Wine

*browser performs

Chrome or Opera.

*browser can be updated

Firefox or Opera. To have the updates, you'll need the vendor's package and Chrome's package won't run as root so we can't use it.

cowboy · #486 Post by **cowboy** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 13:25

I'm all for placing profiles inside mnt/home, but I have experienced "issues" with symlinks as discussed here:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66213

The gist - I was never able to resolve the issue of permanent symlinks on a savefile created initially on a USB stick, even if formatted in a Linux friendly manner (as mentioned by mikeslr in this thread). Savefiles on hard drive partitions - no problem. Savefiles created on hard drive and then moved to USB - no problem. Savefile initially made on a USB drive - symlinks always destroyed on reboot.

I would caution against making the external profile the default simply because of this issue. It is a great idea, but perhaps better left for those a little further along in puppyhood. A first time user might find the persistence (or non-persistence) of symlinks troubling.

My dos centavos:

#487 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 18:28

cowboy, what happens if you use a relative sym-link?

#488 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 18:50

Bert wrote:Great discussion on browser placement..I was hoping this would happen

I agree 100% with you Aitch..
I think Béèm is the most advanced user of this way of running software. IIRC, his save file is only 32MB and he runs all big apps this way, not just the browser. ( My save files are always 1GB, just to be sure... ) Next time I'm in Brussels I will try to steal the script he uses to automate it all

This discussion would be a good candidate to move to the new PUG thread, also to avoid taking too much attention away from Spup development.

Thanks all.

I have indeed SeaMonkey, FireFox, opera, OpenOffice, LibFlashPlayer, fox-it, JRE, the fonts and .wine outside the save file. In .wine I have two often used windows applications, an e-mail client and a news client.
And also now with SFS load on the fly, I use also other SFS like Wine, Google Earth, skype and others as needed.

My data is on a USB HDD, sdb1 (ntfs), and I have decided to try to put the these applications also on sdb1 (in a directory applications).
Up to know this seems to work and I only have to take care that sdb1 is mounted at boot.

This USB HDD can be used on another PC as well

And yes Bert, come to Brussels and pay me an Orval, no problem.

And also no problem to show the script.

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#!/bin/sh
#********desktops********
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/MesNews.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/"Pegasus Mail.desktop" /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/SeaMonkey2-web-browser.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/defaultbrowser /usr/local/bin
#********Themes Stardust************
mkdir /usr/local/lib/X11/themes/Stardust
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/Themes/Stardust/* /usr/local/lib/X11/themes/Stardust
# de icons in de desktop verwijzen naar /mnt/sdb1/puppy/applications/config/.local/share/icons
# Pidgin  de libs copiëren naar /lib
#cp /usr/local/lib/libpurple.la /lib
#cp /usr/local/lib/libpurple.so /lib
#cp /usr/local/lib/libpurple.so.0 /lib
#cp usr/local/lib/libpurple.so.0.6.1 /lib
mv /root/.purple /root/.purple-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.purple /root
# de libxcb's installeren vanuit /mnt/sdb1/puppy/downloads met de hand
# *************OpenOffice Desktop's en link's*******************
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Base-database.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Calc-spreadsheet.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Draw-vector-editor.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Impress-presentation.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Writer-wordprocessor.desktop /usr/share/applications
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/sbase /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/scalc /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/sdraw /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/simpress /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/smath /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/soffice /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/swriter /usr/local/bin
mv /root/.config/.openoffice.org /root/.config/.openoffice.org-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.openoffice.org /root/.config
# **********libreoffice***********************
mv /root/.config/.libreoffice.org /root/.config/.libreoffice.org-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.libreoffice.org /root/.config
# ************rename en link wine**************
# mv /root/.wine /root/.wine-org
# ln -s /mnt/sdb1/puppy/applications/.wine /root
#rename and link mozilla profilemv /root/.purple /root/.purple-org
#*********rename and link mozilla profile**************
mv /root/.mozilla /root/.mozilla-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.mozilla /root
# *********rename and link voor de TTF fonts**********
mv /usr/share/fonts/default/TTF /usr/share/fonts/default/TTF-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/fonts/TTF /usr/share/fonts/default
# een link creëren voor Bookmarks.xml naar /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-filer
mv /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Bookmarks.xml /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Bookmarks.xml-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/Bookmarks.xml /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer
# **********flashplayer plugin link**************
rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/libflashplayer/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
# *************java plugin voor SeaMonkey***************
rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/jre1.6.0_20/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
# prepare mount wine en OOo via Startup geen goed idee**********
# cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/mount-wine /root/Startup
# cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/mount-OOo /root/Startup
# *************skype****************************************
mv /root/.Skype /root/.Skype-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.Skype /root

As for the script, it is very simple, but not really fool prove, but works for me.

Bert · #489 Post by **Bert** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 20:26

Béèm wrote:cowboy, what happens if you use a relative sym-link?

Hi Béèm,

I was going to thank cowboy for explaining the reason for the headache I've had during last week. On a test machine, I have exactly his situation -running from live-cd, no HD, save file created on usb key- I encountered the same problem after each reboot. Firefox opened nicely from /mnt/home, but in its pristine state, without the personal settings, because the .mozilla link keeps disappearing after each reboot.

So I did a quick test with your suggestion, using relative link instead of abslotute.
To my surprise, this seems to work! But looking inside /root, something strange happened: the .mozilla-link to .mozilla in /mnt/home has been changed into a .mozilla directory.( without the link arrow) Inside this directory, there is a firefox dir and a broken link sign to .mozilla (the exclamation mark inside the triangle).

But it works!!??
Only did one reboot though..before returning to my daily workhorse pc to type this reply...

cowboy, I only had a quick read of the thread you linked to, but am I correct to conclude that BruceB's suggestion didn't work for you?

Bert · #490 Post by **Bert** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 20:46

Béèm wrote:[I have indeed SeaMonkey, FireFox, opera, OpenOffice, LibFlashPlayer, fox-it, JRE, the fonts and .wine outside the save file. In .wine I have two often used windows applications, an e-mail client and a news client.
And also now with SFS load on the fly, I use also other SFS like Wine, Google Earth, skype and others as needed.

My data is on a USB HDD, sdb1 (ntfs), and I have decided to try to put the these applications also on sdb1 (in a directory applications).
Up to know this seems to work and I only have to take care that sdb1 is mounted at boot.

This USB HDD can be used on another PC as well

And yes Bert, come to Brussels and pay me an Orval, no problem.

And also no problem to show the script.

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
#********desktops********
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/MesNews.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/"Pegasus Mail.desktop" /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/SeaMonkey2-web-browser.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/defaultbrowser /usr/local/bin
#********Themes Stardust************
mkdir /usr/local/lib/X11/themes/Stardust
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/Themes/Stardust/* /usr/local/lib/X11/themes/Stardust
# the icons in the desktop point to /mnt/sdb1/puppy/applications/config/.local/share/icons
# Pidgin  copy libs  to /lib
#cp /usr/local/lib/libpurple.la /lib
#cp /usr/local/lib/libpurple.so /lib
#cp /usr/local/lib/libpurple.so.0 /lib
#cp usr/local/lib/libpurple.so.0.6.1 /lib
mv /root/.purple /root/.purple-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.purple /root
# install the libxcb's  from /mnt/sdb1/puppy/downloads manually
# *************OpenOffice Desktop's and links*******************
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Base-database.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Calc-spreadsheet.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Draw-vector-editor.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Impress-presentation.desktop /usr/share/applications
cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/OpenOffice-Writer-wordprocessor.desktop /usr/share/applications
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/sbase /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/scalc /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/sdraw /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/simpress /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/smath /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/soffice /usr/local/bin
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/openoffice/openoffice.org3/program/swriter /usr/local/bin
mv /root/.config/.openoffice.org /root/.config/.openoffice.org-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.openoffice.org /root/.config
# **********libreoffice***********************
mv /root/.config/.libreoffice.org /root/.config/.libreoffice.org-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.libreoffice.org /root/.config
# ************rename and link wine**************
# mv /root/.wine /root/.wine-org
# ln -s /mnt/sdb1/puppy/applications/.wine /root
#rename and link mozilla profilemv /root/.purple /root/.purple-org
#*********rename and link mozilla profile**************
mv /root/.mozilla /root/.mozilla-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.mozilla /root
# *********rename and link voor de TTF fonts**********
mv /usr/share/fonts/default/TTF /usr/share/fonts/default/TTF-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/fonts/TTF /usr/share/fonts/default
# create a link for Bookmarks.xml to /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-filer
mv /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Bookmarks.xml /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Bookmarks.xml-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/Bookmarks.xml /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer
# **********flashplayer plugin link**************
rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/libflashplayer/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
# *************java plugin for SeaMonkey***************
rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/jre1.6.0_20/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
# prepare mount wine and OOo via Startup not a good idea**********
# cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/mount-wine /root/Startup
# cp /mnt/sdb1/applications/Desktop/mount-OOo /root/Startup
# *************skype****************************************
mv /root/.Skype /root/.Skype-org
ln -s /mnt/sdb1/applications/config/.Skype /root

As for the script, it is very simple, but not really fool prove, but works for me.

Thanks a lot Béèm!

I did a quick and dirty translation of the Dutch remarks in your script, to make them readable for everyone here..

With everything I learned from you a whole case of Orval bottles would be more appropriate

#491 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 20:54

Bert wrote:Thanks a lot Béèm!

I did a quick and dirty translation of the Dutch remarks in your script, to make them readable for everyone here..

With everything I learned from you a whole case of Orval bottles would be more appropriate

Thank you for the translation.
Also thank you for the praise. It is seldom to receive such.

And yes, I am not against a case of Orval bottles.

#492 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 21:04

Bert wrote:
Béèm wrote:cowboy, what happens if you use a relative sym-link?
Hi Béèm,

I was going to thank cowboy for explaining the reason for the headache I've had during last week. On a test machine, I have exactly his situation -running from live-cd, no HD, save file created on usb key- I encountered the same problem after each reboot. Firefox opened nicely from /mnt/home, but in its pristine state, without the personal settings, because the .mozilla link keeps disappearing after each reboot.

So I did a quick test with your suggestion, using relative link instead of abslotute.
To my surprise, this seems to work! But looking inside /root, something strange happened: the .mozilla-link to .mozilla in /mnt/home has been changed into a .mozilla directory.( without the link arrow) Inside this directory, there is a firefox dir and a broken link sign to .mozilla (the exclamation mark inside the triangle).

But it works!!??
Only did one reboot though..before returning to my daily workhorse pc to type this reply...

cowboy, I only had a quick read of the thread you linked to, but am I correct to conclude that BruceB's suggestion didn't work for you?

Strange issue.
What could be different between a USB flash drive and a USB HDD (like mine)?

Bert · #493 Post by **Bert** » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 22:46

01micko wrote:Ok... browsers can be run outside the save... but what about Fido?

Things to consider.. (from my point of view )
*installing new browser makes whitespace (because orig is defunct)

I'm not in a position to discuss Fido. From what I understood it is a new option, that only gets activated when a reviewer installs Puppy??

Seriously, I can more or less imagine how complexities multiply for you as a Dev.

Whitespaces: wouldn't that be an argument to not have a browser included, despite the general consensus that one should be included? 525 is the most popular Puppy ever, but it has no real browser ready at first boot...

It would also be a nice way to save space in the iso.
Another aspect is that often many of us non-english puppy users have to install a localized browser anyway.

Just thinking out loud...

stu90 · #494 Post by **stu90** » Wed 08 Jun 2011, 17:19

To browser or not to browser - with excellent intuitive and well documented remastering tools like sc0ttman woofy you can have the browser and other applications removed (only need a text file containing paths) , your favorite .pet's and .sfs's , wallpaper, icons and themes added and set as default to a custom .iso in a matter of minutes.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57037

mikeslr · #495 Post by **mikeslr** » Wed 08 Jun 2011, 17:34

Hi All,

I'm in the process of re-reading this thread, got to page 10 and decided to try techniques suggested by Lobster and Tasgard to obtain correct screen display, albeit I'm using the 3rd version of Slacko-pup.
Note, I have Ati-Radeon graphics, which should display at 1600x900x24.

Deleted old SaveFile. Booted pfix=ram,nox. After typing xwin, booted to desktop with correct resolution 1600x900. Changed boot parameters to read pfix=nox (i.e., no longer "ram"). Rebooted. Display came up @ 1152x864. Called up xorgwizard, selected "choose" and selected Ati Radeon 1600x900x24. As test dialogue box appeared correct, used Ctl-Alt-Backspace to exit. Black-screen remained for several seconds and thinking OS had somehow "powered off", I pressed the computer's power switch to reboot. At which point I heard a bark and the computer, in fact, powered off.
Rebooting into Slacko, display came up with correct resolution 16000x900 using Ati Radeon driver.
But reverted to 1152x864 on reboot.
Again used xorgwizard to choose Ati Radeon @ 16000x900x24. Changed Menu to read pfix=fsck (no longer nox or ram). Rebooted.
Received the following message (more or less, can't read some of my chicken-scratches):
"Target 'ATi_AtamBiosAcerH203H is not a directory' To restart X type xwin" -- which just displayed above message again. [My box is a refurbished ZT sytem with AMD Phenom II X4 920 @ 2.8GHz CPU. I don't know what motherboard it uses. I do have an Acer monitor].
So I typed xorgwizard and again choose Ati Radeon 1600x900 and obtained the correct display. Again shut down, rebooted.
Received above message. Choose Vesa & 1600 x 900, but display came up as 1024 x 768, so re-initiated xorgwizard, choosing Ati Radeon 1600 x 900 x 16 (note 16 rather than 24). Display came up @ 1024 x 768. Re-ran Xorgwizard again choosing 1600x900x24. Obtained correct display using Ati Radeon. Changed Boot menu to again read pfix=nox, and rebooted. Typing Xwin brought up above quoted message.
So I've rebooted into Lupu525 to provide above experience.
Recall that I’m on page 10 and will continue to read this thread, so don’t take the time to provide suggestions if they appear after page 10. I just thought the above was odd enough to hopefully help someone to figure out what's bugging xorgwizard.

mikesLr

Jim1911 · #496 Post by **Jim1911** » Wed 08 Jun 2011, 18:04

Hi 01micko,

Your "Get Libreoffice and install Libreoffice" program worked perfectly to prepare and install stable version 3.4. It is working great, printing is also fine, I haven't observed the problems with this one as reported previously.

Thanks for keeping this up-to-date, I know that you are shooting at a moving target since they keep updating it. Incidentally, the unstable versions listed as available don't appear to be the latest.

Cheers,
Jim

#497 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Wed 08 Jun 2011, 18:42

wuwei wrote:Just confirming mikesir's last post and repeating my own earlier observation:

Copying or moving to a NTFS partition generates an error/failed message in ROX, but the operation is properly executed.

(This is now 121.02 I am writing from)

I can confirm this issue.

Brown Mouse · #498 Post by **Brown Mouse** » Wed 08 Jun 2011, 21:15

Yeah but....why am I the only one seeing these freezups?It's bothering me a tad

Think I'll do a fresh install and see if that fixes it.

cowboy · #499 Post by **cowboy** » Thu 09 Jun 2011, 03:22

Bert and Beem,

Thank you for your responses about the browser issue. I notice that wuwei has been doing some new posting on my original thread about the symlink issue, and I think I'll reply over there, to preserve this thread for Spup.

Beem - that's correct, I've tried both relative and absolute symlinks to the firefox profile, and both work on initial setup, but then fail on the first reboot.

-cowboy.

Billtoo · #500 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 09 Jun 2011, 05:24

I made an sfs file of vlc-1.1.10, it is large at 44mb but it contains
the qt473 libs that vlc needs to run.
Maybe boot the live cd with pfix=ram use SFS-Load-on-the-fiy to test
the vlc-1.1.10 sfs to see if it'll work for you, it works for me.
The download link is:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-edc9833f.html

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