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Lobster · Posted: Tue 31 May 2011, 15:41 Post subject:

Thanks for info Billtoo. Are you impressed with Konqueror? Several years since I used it in Puppy and it would be great to have Opera, Chrome, Konqueror, Firefox and Iron as options in Slickpet. Perhaps also Dillo, Midori and other smaller browsers in PPM? Everyone has their favourite. Smile

Jim1911 · Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 2353 Location: Texas, USA

Billtoo · Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1496 Location: Ontario Canada

withoutpity · Joined: 17 Jan 2010 Posts: 25

To make Konqueror/pcmanfm5.2/pcmanfm-mod/thunar1.02 show HDD partitions, we need to make HAL and UDEV with full function.
HAL need PAM/PolicyKit, and UDEV need gperf/libffi/gobject-introspection to compile.
I 've compiled HAL with policyKit support and HAL work well . But after reboot and use prefix=ram and cp all HALi486 files to / HAL cannot run, and no verbose out.
I dont know why . If compile HAL with --disable-policy-kit, HAL will always run. But this will make some risks to Security.

Lobster · Posted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 02:02 Post subject:

playdayz · Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 3705

Jasper · Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 870 Location: England

Hi,

This may well be a foolish or inappropriate question, but

could an sfs version of SeaMonkey be loaded automatically (even in a full install) such that users could update it to a later version (if available) or delete it (perhaps after installing an alternative browser)?

My regards

Béèm · Posted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 10:27 Post subject:

A sfs file is a read only file. So an update can't be applied to it.
I don't know what happens if you do an upgrade. Probably the changed files are written to the pupsave and this pupsave will decrease a lot in free space remaining.

Therefor I install SeaMonkey directly from Mozilla's site by unpacking it to a directory outside the save file and by making the adjustments for path and symlink so it integrates in puppy.
Once done, the auto-update of SeaMonkey works like a charm.

Jasper · Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 870 Location: England

Hi Béèm,

I have "updated" an older sfs of Firefox 3 ... to Firefox 3.6.17 using the Firefox Help menu (so there must be an automatic way around the sfs read only restriction).

I think it would take 01micko or playdayz just a few seconds to entertain or more likely dismiss the idea.

My regards

DaveS · Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3669 Location: UK

I kind of agree on this browser stuff. Having the browser built into the original SFS file is wasteful of space if an upgrade is applied as the old one remains as white space.

Béèm · Posted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 12:26 Post subject:

Jasper, as DaveS points out. the older version is transformed in white space and the new files will take space in the save file.

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9385 Location: SwedenEurope

I do know too little but if one use seaside's SFS-Exec then it does not end up in the pupsave file does it?

Not that I say that Spup should be tailored around SFS-Exec but it shows that it is possible to avoid some bad things about SFS usage.

TinyCore also have loading of files without them ending up in a save file.

So it should be possible if one know how to which I fail to suggest though.

Billtoo · Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1496 Location: Ontario Canada

I did a frugal install of alpha3 newest kernel.
It went straight to the desktop at the correct screen resolution and
sound and wired network were good.
Rebooted to create save file and loaded devx sfs and kernel sources
sfs.
Rebooted to increase size of save file (a couple of times)
Installed mesa from the slackware repository in puppy package manager.
restarted x.
Thu 2 Jun 2011 Operating System: Slacko Puppy-121.01 Linux 2.6.37.6
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
oem: Intel(r)Q33/Q35/G33 Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS product: Intel(r)Q33/Q35/G33 Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33 x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.9.2

Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200
Core 0: 1200 1: 1200 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
264 frames in 5.0 seconds = 52.672 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.118 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.119 FPS

edit:I had some fun adding all the kde stuff and compiling ffmpeg and vlc.

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7018 Location: qld

Hi guys..

,, browser wars again I see!

Let me explain my position, then you can refute Cool

nspr/nss (essential security libs)/midori/dillo/sylpheed all add up to about 6 meg compressed. That is overhead well saved in Lupu by not including a mainstream browser of at least 12 meg compressed. In spup we have a little room to move. I would not like to see the iso top 120M but in saying that I would gladly include Firefox or Opera if everyone hates Seamonkey so much Smile

.

As for the browser in an sfs then we have to consider that there is a limit to the number of sfs excluding the zdrv (search it Wink

). Now I'm sure a certain BD could be persuaded to include the browser in a zdrv along with essential drivers (if possible) .. but where will it end? "I don't want this app.. I want to uninstall this and that..".. that is where remastering is on the improve.

Some sort of browser must be included and it must run CUPS (that is the only reason Midori is in Lupu-5xx)

~

In a perfect world webkit would be small and so would Qt (not likely to ever happen now since Microsoft has an interest in nokia and Apple still owns webkit).

~

In other news... kde is now available as an sfs. It is definitely not perfect but it is usable. Be sure to run the pinstall.sh which will be located at "/"after loading the sfs. If you use sfs_load it should run the pinstall.sh automatically but if you reboot you may have to do it manually. It depends on mesa (you can use the one in slickpet) or nvidia/ati drivers (no pets for 2.6.35 available yet).

http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/sfs/kde-4.5.5_spup_base.sfs
9b1c1f1dc685252403d2442b4613efb5 kde-4.5.5_spup_base.sfs

http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/sfs/kde-4.5.5-doc_dev_nls-spup_base.sfs (for doc dev /nls)
f7645b539c6d8f16361e5b13004d930a kde-4.5.5-doc_dev_nls-spup_base.sfs

It does have issues...

DaveS · Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3669 Location: UK

When you get right down to it, Seamonkey gives the most bang for the space. Opera is even better, but its ability to print is so abysmal as to make it a 'fun' rather than serious browser. But I am guessing its Firefox most want.
None of this overcomes the upgrading/whitespace problem though. Throw that into the equation and at some point any included browser is going to end up as 13 to 14 lost MB.
Not simple......