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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 06:48    Post subject:  

Scottman compiled this system info util in (lshw) but works OK in Spup
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=527848#527848

Been to Plymouth a few times.
Not sure what Igu is creating but I want it anyway Embarassed

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 07:00    Post subject:  

You have two fallbacks:
- You can use a framebuffer console, even the generic VESA one (!!!)
- Plymouth in a wonderful ASCII-art progress bar

It's a win-win case, Plymouth will *always* work, no matter what.

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 08:34    Post subject:  

Great work mick !
Everything is fine on my DELL 160L PC.
Even xfwm4's composite is ok in this version.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 08:52    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
By the way.. does anyone object if I offer the full nvidia drivers? They are twice the size but as Billtoo points out they do offer extra functionality. Likewise, it will be mainly modern systems needing those so space should not be a big issue. The older driver is the full version anyway.
Great, looking forward to it.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 09:31    Post subject:  

Got 121.02 frugally installed. Even got it to upgrade the previous spupsave from 120.50.

Then, as Billtoo wrote
Quote:
"The nouveau driver caused some pain by preventing the proprietary driver to install but I finally got it removed and compiled the driver. "

Exactly, but after some work, it was done (don't ask me to describe how Smile )

Installing the nVidia driver was easy, because the instructions given on pemasu's ICE thread are very helpful. As he says
Quote:
I encourage people to download devx.sfs and kernel source.sfs, download nvidia or ati driver installation package and try the compiling/installation. It gives important feedback how it goes.
This forum is full of info - guidance how to do that. Ice Puppy thread have for example several posts about third party graphics installation by himself. And several success stories by people who have not compiled kernel modules ever before. It is not that hard.


In the case of spup121.02 it goes like this:

1. Frugal install of the ISO. establish spupsave file.
2. With SFS-Load-on-the-fly install this sfs
http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/spup/devx_spup_121.02.sfs
and this one
http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/kernel-2.6.35/kernel_sources-2.6.35--13-lts.sfs
Both from page 1 of this thread.
3. get nVidia driver from
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?
and move/copy to /mnt/home
4. exit X to prompt and type at the #
sh /mnt/home/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-270.41.19.run

It will fail when nouveau is still installed. So that would have to go first.

All else runs fine, even FF5 and Thunderbird from /mnt/home without installation.

Very happy with the result.
Thanks 01Micko.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 10:05    Post subject:  

As a tip to Inspiron 1100 users, my flavor of Intel 82845 graphics combined with newer kernels requires vesa. To prevent a non-recoverable black screen, don't restart X before creating a save file. Boot the first time with pfix=nox, select vesa with xorgwizard, and reboot to make the save file.

This laptop may not be one you wish to include in your target audience; it would be understandable. Wary and 214X me serve well but I like to keep up with new versions. Many thanks for your efforts, 01micko, with various puppy issues.

Anyway, with spup 121.02, flsynclient works on boot, just have to increase min speed and max speed. Unlike with 120.50, the changes do not survive rebooting.

No F11 problem in Seamonkey with either spup. Vesa?
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 10:10    Post subject:  

Latest Deadbeef-0.5.1
Compiled in spup.
http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/about.html
deadbeef-0.5.1.pet
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 10:42    Post subject: spup-121.02 pre-alpha3 based on 13.37
Subject description: ati graphics
 

I did a frugal install of alpha3 with the newest kernel.
It booted straight to the desktop but when I went to reboot to create a
save file it went to a black screen.
I rebooted into another pup and edited my grub4dos menu.lst file and
changed the alpha3 listing to pfix=nox,ram
Rebooted, ran xorgwizard and chose the vesa driver, edited the grub4dos menu.lst to
pfix=fsck and rebooted creating save file in the process.
Next boot I installed the devx and kernel sources file, also
downloaded the mesa driver from the slackware repo.
Another reboot to increase the size of the save file.
I installed the proprietary ati driver, ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run
in the same method as mentioned above from the prompt except when it
finished compiling I entered aticonfig --initial and then xwin.

Fri 27 May 2011 Operating System: Slacko Puppy-121.01 Linux 2.6.37.6
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: RS780 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: vesa
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (338x270 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: ATI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
OpenGL version string: 3.3.10750 Compatibility Profile Context

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor
Core 0: 2592 1: 2592 2: 2592 3: 2592 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
19731 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3946.068 FPS
19757 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3951.255 FPS
19766 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3953.130 FPS

Nexuiz plays great, haven't installed kdegames yet but will Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 11:28    Post subject:  

Gave up on Plymouth. It has dependencies outside of the initramfs, so it cannot be started once Puppy was called by the boot loader. Instead, you can start it only after the kernel modules are loaded and that's kinda stupid - it's there only for about half of the whole init.

I'm trying to get fbsplash to work now - I want to find a way to convert the wallpaper to a framebuffer background so you get a consistent background. The console has your wallpaper, so the transition is more smooth.

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 11:44    Post subject:  

wuwei wrote:
Installing the nVidia driver was easy, because the instructions given on pemasu's ICE thread are very helpful. As he says
Quote:
I encourage people to download devx.sfs and kernel source.sfs, download nvidia or ati driver installation package and try the compiling/installation. It gives important feedback how it goes.
This forum is full of info - guidance how to do that. Ice Puppy thread have for example several posts about third party graphics installation by himself. And several success stories by people who have not compiled kernel modules ever before. It is not that hard.


In the case of spup121.02 it goes like this:

1. Frugal install of the ISO. establish spupsave file.
2. With SFS-Load-on-the-fly install this sfs
http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/spup/devx_spup_121.02.sfs
and this one
http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/kernel-2.6.35/kernel_sources-2.6.35--13-lts.sfs
Both from page 1 of this thread.
3. get nVidia driver from
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?
and move/copy to /mnt/home
4. exit X to prompt and type at the #
sh /mnt/home/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-270.41.19.run

It will fail when nouveau is still installed. So that would have to go first.


Hope you guys won't mind me jumping in here, and pointing to a not highly visited/commented suggestion for a compiling thread on the forum! (Great idea, sc0ttman)

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68135

more feedback please Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 12:27    Post subject:  

Gparted-0.8.1 compiled against static *mm libs.
I am sure someone can get it smaller but... well here it is.
gtkmm-2.24.0.tar.gz source was 18 mb.

Gparted configure:
Code:
./configure --prefix=/usr --build=i486-t2-linux-gnu --x-libraries=/usr/X11R7/lib --x-includes=/usr/X11R7/include --disable-libtool-lock --disable-scrollkeeper --enable-libparted-dmraid


EDIT: I have those static libraries now installed, so I can easily make another compile with different gparted configure.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 12:38    Post subject:  

Spup with 2.6.35 kernel findings. I booted first time with pfix=ram,nox. Fresh frugal install.
Xorgwizard, selected intel as always. Xwin > hungs. Selected vesa > got x and desktop. Exit to prompt, xorgwizard again, this time I selected radeon (i have dual graphich in my laptop)

Code:
# video-report
bash: video-report: command not found
# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Slacko Puppy, version 121.02

Chip description:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: "1366x768"  Depth: Depth 2


So I got intel as I wanted by selecting radeon.

I have booted again with pfix=ram,nox and I can confirm this happened again.
Well....the result was what I wanted.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 17:42    Post subject:  

Mick
I have been looking at how to shrink Spup / Wary
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=528054#528054
Since Spup is still alpha, you'll might find some useful ideas.


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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 17:47    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
gparted (needs an update.. or zigbert's frontend to cfdisk Wink )
The frontend is far from ready, and it sounds like a hell of a job to do it. BUT, sure.... it would shrink the iso by another megabyte.


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PostPosted: Fri 27 May 2011, 18:00    Post subject:  

Just for the fun of it, I did another compile of static gparted using Barry Kaulers specs, well my first used were about the same from technosaurus gparted thread, ttuuuxxx had quoted them there.

Barrys notes and my used packages and fixed the documentation disabling. Also atkmm package was needed.
And libsigc++-2.2.9-i486-1sl.txz

atkmm-2.22.5
#./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --disable-documentation --enable-static --disable-shared

cairomm-1.10.0
# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --disable-documentation --enable-static --disable-shared

glibmm-2.28.1
# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --disable-documentation --enable-static --disable-shared

pangomm-2.28.2
# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --disable-documentation --enable-static --disable-shared

gtkkmm-2.24.0
# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --disable-documentation --enable-static --disable-shared --disable-demos

gparted-0.8.1
# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --disable-doc --disable-scrollkeeper --disable-libtool-lock --enable-libparted-dmraid

Stripping, splitting and pet creation. Gparted size was exactly the same.
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