spup-121.02 pre-alpha3 based on 13.37

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Re: spup-120 pre-alpha based on 13.37

#31 Post by James C »

01micko wrote: Things to test

*gparted
*grub
*grub4dos
*full installs
*usb
*ntfs/windows partitions
*keyboard
I was attempting to test a full install of 120 but......... Gparted failed.
I deleted the existing partitions and swap but when trying to create new partitions the filesystem choices were greyed out.
Using a Lucid disc at the moment to partition the drive........successfully completed. :)

Back in a few, let's see if a full install with Grub works.

EDIT:

Grub did not work either. Clicking "simple" led instead to the "expert" menu which was stuck in a loop. Used Grub4dos and booted into the full install of 120.
No wallpaper, gray background with dreaded red/white triangles instead of icons.

EDIT 2:
Just to be certain I tried a full install again, same result.
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#32 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi mick

Do you have a file list of what files/versions were installed on slackware13.37 , That would be very handy when compiling, so I could easily match the dep versions.
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#33 Post by 01micko »

Hi ttuuxxx

If you look in /root/.packages you'll see Packages-slackware-13.37-official, plus the salix version and the spup version, plus there are some quirky libs that need upgrading. Ypu can cross reference with /root/.packages/woof-installed-packages.

Woof reads these files to build the distro and PPM reads them for the PPM.

Hope that's got what you need, should have :)
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#34 Post by rcrsn51 »

The problems in spup-100 with the Samba client package have been resolved in spup-120. You can now connect to a Windows shared printer.

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Re: spup-120 pre-alpha based on 13.37

#35 Post by James C »

James C wrote:
01micko wrote: Things to test

*gparted
*grub
*grub4dos
*full installs
*usb
*ntfs/windows partitions
*keyboard
I was attempting to test a full install of 120 but......... Gparted failed.
I deleted the existing partitions and swap but when trying to create new partitions the filesystem choices were greyed out.
Using a Lucid disc at the moment to partition the drive........successfully completed. :)

Back in a few, let's see if a full install with Grub works.

EDIT:

Grub did not work either. Clicking "simple" led instead to the "expert" menu which was stuck in a loop. Used Grub4dos and booted into the full install of 120.
No wallpaper, gray background with dreaded red/white triangles instead of icons.

EDIT 2:
Just to be certain I tried a full install again, same result.
Just did a frugal install of 120 with the installer.....no problems.I even have wallpaper and icons this time. :)
Sound, internet and display all good.

EDIT:
Need to reset the time every reboot but the timezone stays correct.
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#36 Post by 01micko »

Thanks rcrsn51... that was a fluke, but I'll take it!

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seamonkey-2.0.13 and 2.0.14 will not compile :roll: .. it's a known issue with the the later gcc... can't find a patch as yet.

Compiled seamonkey-2.1b3.. it's a huge 20M pet :( ... (the slack txz is over 18M).. and I chopped a little bit out of it. I'll have another go with more "--with-system-(package)" to see if I can get it smaller. but how much will seamonkey come down from 20M :?: will not be much I bet, probably not enough, so we may end up with a firefox distro, not a bad thing, just need to find small replacements for some things. Will recompile firefox too, at least that should be a respectable size.. .

James, thanks for that. If you want to save your full install, run gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache. I can fix that one :lol:
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#37 Post by ttuuxxx »

here's epdfview with a few updated icons
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epdfview-0.1.7-i486|epdfview|0.1.7-i486||Document|196K||epdfview-0.1.7-i486.pet||ePDFView PDF viewer|slackware|13.37||
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epdfview-0.1.7-i486|epdfview|0.1.7-i486||Document|196K||epdfview-0.1.7-i486.pet||ePDFView PDF viewer|slackware|13.37||
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#38 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi mick If I have sometime I'll look at Seamonkey. Also below is a fix for poppler dev files, just add it to the poppler dev files you have, without it, you can't compile epdfview.
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#39 Post by Lobster »

Too small Seamonkey? Too old?
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02238
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#40 Post by bigpup »

Here is some static builds of Firefox and Seamonkey.
http://www.lamarelle.org/mo-zi-lla/mozilla.php#smf

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#41 Post by 01micko »

bigbup, yes I'm aware of Phillipe's work, he does a nice job, thanks

firefox 4 is recompiled, saved nearly a meg (smaller than official version), also seamonkey-2.1b3... it's 19M, about the size of the static "official" version. Dunno why it's so bloated :roll: :?

see the main post for download
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#42 Post by ttuuxxx »

I think this is the list of all installed packages on slackware 13.37
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#43 Post by 01micko »

Hi ttuuxxx, nah that's an extras one.. where did you find it?

The Packages-slacware-13.37-official file is derived directly from the PACKAGES.TXT from Salix. I use theirs because the official slack one available from any of their mirrors doesn't have dependency information. That has to be generated in a running Slackware with a script from Steffano Stabellini... me and MMHP have been right through this.

http://salix.enialis.net/i486/slackware ... CKAGES.TXT

Cheers

EDIT: ttuuxxx, following attachment is the woof database that it reads to get packages. It cross references the package databases. You'll see the fields eg:
yes|abiword||exe,doc,dev,nls

Obviously yes means it gets downloaded, 2nd field is the package name(generic),3rd field is the generic name in the database, 4th redirects doc,dev,nls. If the 3rd field is empty that means it's a PET. It should help you figure out what are pets and what are txz files.
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#44 Post by scsijon »

flippin ell, :oops: ,

I take three days "off" puppy to earn a penny or two too feed my puppy habbit and he comes out with a pre-alpha :D

will download tomorrow morning when I have available capacity,

lets see how much I can break. :twisted:

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ps wuxiandianzi has built a number of 2.6.38.2 to 4 kernals if you want to try one. They are woof compatable. He can build a specific if you want odd things, (like I asked for btrfs enabled to try it, not yet ready as there is no fsck yet).

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#45 Post by ttuuxxx »

01micko wrote:Hi ttuuxxx, nah that's an extras one.. where did you find it?
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I found it at http://salix.enialis.net/i486/slackware ... CKAGES.TXT
I just wanted to know which gconf/orbit to compile to match slackware 13.37 , hmmmm earlier gconf/orbits are a lot smaller, how strong do you feel about matching version numbers?
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PS I'm also compiling seamonkey
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#46 Post by 01micko »

ttuuxxx

Gconf and ORBit2 are in the PPM, they are derived from another salix PACKAGES.TXT
http://salix.enialis.net/i486/13.37/PACKAGES.TXT
So looks like they double up on some stuff. According to that one both packages are around 1156K compressed, that would include docs and dev. The only package that we have in that could use gconf is gnumeric I think, I compiled it with that disabled, still works ok, but as DaveS pointed out if you put a hot link in gnumeric it don't work. Is that because of yelp? I dunno!
now, as far as compat goes I think it's wise to stick with matching versions. That's why i want to go through most of the quirky libs and recompile. Nothing worse than getting 'symbol lookup error' or whatever.
Space is at a premium. i don't want to bloat this thing too much. I intend to compile a new kernel too, hope that doesn't ramp it up much, shouldn't. The BABY build works ok, but it is severely cut down in drivers. I hope I can get SM-2.0.14 going ok as it is the smallest bang 4 byte, you get email, composer, address book included, so that's cool. I think composer is the deal breaker, unless you know of a really tiny wysiwyg editor :) then I'd go firefox, even 3.6x series for size.
Playdayz had a good idea with no browser, well there was dillo and midori but midori was only there to run CUPS, that's a fair bit of overhead I reckon for printing and it's dead weight. I'd rather have a few more meg and a useful browser. It also had to carry a few meg of nss and nspr, sitting there as dead weight because midori couldn't use it. Anyway that's just my take on it, it worked fine and i just am doing it differently. If CUPS didn't need a browser then the no browser idea I reckon would be great, and I'd go that way. :)
So, there you have it, if we don't need it then it's out!
Have to find the right balance.. I guess that's it with anything. We want a nice smooth experience, many things at the fingertips, and anything extra just a few clicks away. I think that's why quickpet was popular, that was playdayz idea too, nice and handy for a few popular apps. I do intend to update quickpet for spup, maybe call it "slickpet" :lol:
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#47 Post by wuwei »

Brief test of spup-120 in a manual frugal install, starting with pfix=ram.

First impression....WOW!

It boots directly to the desktop without the usual dreaded 5mm right-shift. This one has maybe 1mm shift. Small enough to live with without having to install the nVidia driver.

First task is setting up a pppoe connection, which failed entirely.

Network wizard is successful in establishing the eth0 connection. Next is pppoe-gui (see picture). Setup as usual, "Start", however , gives me this:

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................TIMED OUT
/usr/sbin/pppoe-start: line 193: 24381 Terminated              $CONNECT "$@" > /dev/null 2>&1

Press ENTER key to continue: 
"Status" shows this:

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pppoe-status: Link is down (can't read pppoe PID file /var/run/pppoe.conf-pppoe.pid.pppoe)

Press ENTER key to continue: 
This file /var/run/pppoe.conf-pppoe.pid.pppoe doesn't exist at all.

In trying to make a screenshot, I notice that mtPaint-snapshot does not store its shots, or rather doesn't make any. The usual places like /.root or /tmp have no pictures stored. Even pfind can't find anything.

Keyboard in de settings works fine.

That's as far as I got before hurrying back to 525 :D
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#48 Post by dejan555 »

Will download and test ASAP. Signing in so I can monitor new posts in my control panel.
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#49 Post by Tasgarth »

spup 120 quick tests

1 The keyboqrd lqyout is not chqnged : :wink:
The keyboard layout is not changed to azerty France
No change in xorg.conf. Only the light xorg.conf no any devices section...

2 : ;tpqint snqpshot screen cqpture is i;possible :wink:
mtpaint snapshot screen capture impossible

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#50 Post by rcrsn51 »

01micko wrote: but midori was only there to run CUPS, that's a fair bit of overhead I reckon for printing and it's dead weight. I'd rather have a few more meg and a useful browser.
Exactly. Using those toy browsers in CUPS was a nuisance. I could never find the Back and Forward buttons when I needed them.

There were numerous complaints in Lupu about not having a real browser available when running as a Live CD. That's an essential feature if you want to promote Puppy for things like safe online banking.

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