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#766 Post by pemasu »

It wasnt so easy. I had broken packages in woof. I have closed terminal too early and some packages when dir2pet wasnt completed yet. So I made 2 builds and wondered why not all apps work. Lol. Well, that lead to broken packages new dir2pet creating and new building....

I added some Finnish winter landscape pics more. Aurora Borealis and some "tykky" snow winter pics. I just love them. Lol.

But now the Ice Puppy-015 has been uploaded. 2.6.38-4 kernel. 486 optimization and no highmem-pae but as much drivers added as in previous kernels.

Please, wake Beem up so that he can test this with his troublesome Medion box.

Download link: http://smokey01.com/pemasu/IcePuppy-015

Kernel source sfs for lupe26: http://smokey01.com/pemasu/Kernel_sources/

And because I know Jim3630 asks this next, I included Broadcom hybrid wl pet also, it is in the Ice Puppy-015 folder. Ndiswapper is there also. Acpi_call module pet also even though I am the only one who has ever needed it, lol.

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#767 Post by James C »

May just be me but I can't find the actual Ice Puppy 015 iso........ will check back later.
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#768 Post by pemasu »

Lol. There seems to have happened autodeleting. I see it in my Filezilla remote ftp folder, but when I refresh it, it has disappeared. I have mistakenly deleted it when shuffling between my folders and remote ftp site folders.

It is reuploading now. Well, the more mysterous things happens every day.

Ice Puppy-015 has been reuploaded and this time it is there.......I think.

And have you noticed the nice setup and icons Smokey01 has organized to his ftp folders. Big hand for Smokey01 !!!!

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#769 Post by James C »

Downloading now...thanks. :)

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#770 Post by pemasu »

Oh, And there are several new Finnish winter and other nature wallpapers added.

gcmartin

#771 Post by gcmartin »

pemasu wrote:Oh, And there are several new Finnish winter and other nature wallpapers added.
Anything with a "Finnish Winter during a LunarEclipse"? (ha-ha).

Everytime I use ICE-SNOW, I find some additionally useful item/icon/menu entry that was not noticed before. WOW! What thoughtful innovation you provide for us.

In any event, Thanks.
Thanks Pemasu

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#772 Post by James C »

Ice Puppy 015 live pfix=ram on the quad. As usual everything good on boot.internet,display and sound all working.

Wed 15 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-015 Linux 2.6.38
d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: unknown
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (413x232 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1

AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Core 0: 2611 1: 2611 2: 2611 3: 2611 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.

-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 2854MB (193MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 15 Jun 2011 03:42:03 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

# glxgears
2168 frames in 5.0 seconds
2149 frames in 5.0 seconds
2170 frames in 5.0 seconds
2166 frames in 5.0 seconds
2163 frames in 5.0 seconds
2125 frames in 5.0 seconds

Going to do a couple of frugal installs a bit later.Appears to be working fine on this box though.

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#773 Post by James C »

Just a quick comparison between Ice Puppy 014 (PAE) and Ice puppy 015 (non PAE).....same hardware, same pfix=ram,etc.

Ice Puppy 014

Fri 10 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-014 Linux 2.6.38
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 3884MB (210MB used)

Ice Puppy 015

Wed 15 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-015 Linux 2.6.38
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 2854MB (193MB used)

Admittedly the increased ram usage of the PAE kernel isn't noticeable with 4 gb or more of ram but it is on anything less than about 1 Gb. My older hardware thanks you for 015. :)

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#774 Post by Béèm »

pemasu wrote:Please, wake Beem up so that he can test this with his troublesome Medion box.
As said in the polarpuppy, being away from my 'beloved' Medion, I only can test on it when back. 8)
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#775 Post by James C »

Fresh manual frugal install of Ice Puppy 015 on my main Linux box.Everything working on initial boot...... been running several hours with no obvious problems.

Wed 15 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-015 Linux 2.6.38
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)
oem: NVidia product: NV18 () Board Chip Rev A2

X Server: Xorg Driver: unknown
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (411x263 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1

AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Core 0: 1998 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.

# glxgears
391 frames in 5.0 seconds
508 frames in 5.0 seconds
470 frames in 5.0 seconds
483 frames in 5.0 seconds
464 frames in 5.0 seconds
372 frames in 5.0 seconds


-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (208MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 15 Jun 2011 09:13:01 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

Ethernet controller : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

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#776 Post by Béèm »

Well, the 015 has broken the ice on my laptop R40.
Installed FRUGAL Lin'N'Win.
My applications are running.
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#777 Post by jim3630 »

pemasu, thanks again for the drivers and help and thank Smokey01 for the setup and icons they look nice.

Thu 16 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-015 Linux 2.6.38
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver: unknown
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (370x277 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.7.1

Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz
Core 0: 1867 MHz

# glxgears
4097 frames in 5.0 seconds
4111 frames in 5.0 seconds
4057 frames in 5.0 seconds
4173 frames in 5.0 seconds
4204 frames in 5.0 seconds
4105 frames in 5.0 seconds

the png was shot with browser open. so far everything seems to work.
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#778 Post by jim3630 »

after checking out all the new backgrounds the northern lights especially remind me of Alaska. Nick pics. thanks again.

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#779 Post by Béèm »

As well in Lucid, all the cold puppy's and I think also in spup, there is stil a fundamental problem. Probably in woof.

When one opens a ROX window quite often the window is behind the system tray causing corrupted screen when scrolling. I remember this has been raised in the Lucid thread already.
Still nobody (well I suppose Barry) has reacted on this.
It is annoying as when using ROX one never knows how big a next window in ROX can be.
Maybe only people with small screens like me (14") will see this issue.

There is another one in snowpuppy 020 and icepuppy 015.
When a file is opened in geany, the frame is very high and I have to re-size it in order to have it fully on the desktop minus the tray.
I don't think I saw this in Lucid nor spup.
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#780 Post by pemasu »

Beem. I havent read about that Rox problem. I keep my eyes open.
About Geany. I believe part of the problem is your screen size.
I have newer geany than in Lucid Puppies. I think my used version was compiled by Aragon and it has extra plugins included.
You can test and swap the Geany binary from Lucid Puppy. I would be interested to hear if it fixes your problem.

Or you can use this Geany from Lucid 525.

gcmartin

Measure ICE15 on 512MB PC

#781 Post by gcmartin »

James C inspired me to pull an old IBM P4 with 512MB of memory out of moth balls for testing ICE15. It seem to work fine without any issues. I then booted ICE14, and it seems to run faster. I then started on comparison, when it occured to me one problem that generates an inconsistent measure....the 2 ICE's are different in several ways. So my measurement would not be an "apples to apples" measurement. ICE15, has some updates and application version changes which ICE14 does not have yet.

But, my stop-watch shows ICE14 appears to be a slightly better utilization of resources for its performance with Videos and browsing. But, the workload I have is small and IS prone to human error. Therefore, I reject my comparison measurements for any validity.

One valid measure is the Video-Hardinfo report attached. Since we all know that the ICE15 is built for older uniprocessor PCs with 3.1GB RAM, its comparison would be better compared against SNOW20 versus ICE14. (In fact, maybe the number for "non-PAE" ICE should be the same suffix number as used with SNOW. Thus an objective comparison could be easily spotted.)

Hope this helps (if you want to know about ICE14 on a 512MB uniproccessor P4 PC. It works just as well as ICE15+SNOW20)

And James C, thanks for the inspiration. It makes me think.
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#782 Post by pemasu »

Gcmartin. Ice Puppy-015 compiled kernel is SMP enabled, so it utilizes multiprocessors. But it is optimized conservatively for 486 aka old processors for better compatibility. Also memory resources usage is about 18 Mb smaller without highmem+pae so it is better with less memory.

Main reason to build this kernel was to cover those computures which didnt like core2 optimization.

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#783 Post by davids45 »

G'day pemasu,
I've liked all your water-white Puppies but I am having a problem when using the Universal Installer to automatically add your latest Pups to my computer in the Frugal form.

Following the usual procedure of live CD (pfix=ram) and using the Universal Installer for a FRUGAL install, the files are copied from the CD to the new Pup sub-directory and the Installer tells me I will be offered to create a Save file as the computer shuts down.

But when I hit the 'Reboot' button on the Shut-Down dialog box, the monitor screen immediately goes black and the 'no signal' box soon appears - the computer however is still whirring away and only stops or reboots some minutes later.
No Save file has been created.

This Frugal failure has been happening to my new desktop computer for most but not all new Pup derivatives when I try a Frugal install.

tazoc at Lighthouse Pup has suggested some extra boot parameters to try (pfix=vesa,ram nomodeset) which I did with IcePup015 but these failed to let a Frugal Save file be offered at shut down. LHP64 also wont Frugal-Save for me yet.

My computer has a radeon graphics card and the monitor is a 1600x900 LED.

If it would help, IcePup015 (Frugal) reports:
"Sat 18 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-015 Linux 2.6.38
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 68f9
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: CEDAR 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1

Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5800
Core 0: 3226 1: 3226 MHz"

Full installs of my non-saving Frugals are fine - but I cannot fit as many interesting Pup Full installs on a hard disk as I can Frugals. And Fulls are, or used to be, more hard work to set up.

And I can do a manual three file copy Frugal Install then create an empty Save file in the new sub-directory, and name this Save file using the pre-fix from /etc/DISTRO_SPECS so I then have what I hoped the Universal Installer would provide, like it used to.

I got this Frugal IcePup015 set up with a Save file by copying my Frugal IcePup014 save file and letting Puppy upgrade this which it does very well. In fact, my IcePup014 Frugal Save file was an upgraded IcePup012 Save file, so my no-Save-option problem has been happening in the last two IcePups.

So this is giving me interesting stuff to worry about, but I feel it would deter newcomers if this was their first experience of a Puppy Frugal via the Universal Installer. I have seen some recent forum posts about Save file problems, as well as my own.

Let me know if I could provide any extra info. about this problem.

Thanks for all your excellent Pups,

David S.

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#784 Post by pemasu »

davids45. I have read about your problem in other threads. It might be that /usr/sbin/snapmerepuppy script and your computer does not like each other. If you know older puppy which behaves well with your new computer, you could swap the snapmergepuppy from that puppy to the newer puppy. Snapmergepuppy script has improvements to create savefile from ram saved files faster. I have noticed that not all computers likes it or at least saving to the usb media has sometimes been problematic.

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#785 Post by davids45 »

G'day pemasu,
Thank you for your quick reply.
I'll test your idea with a Puppy that has Frugally installed with the expected Save file option on shut-down on my computer and try the snapmergepuppy file in some of those that didn't.
I will let you know how it goes.
Maybe it just my unlucky combination of hardware.
David S.

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