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Béèm


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 14:49    Post subject: Re: openbox vs icewm  

KJ wrote:
Béèm ... In what ways are the Openbox/fbpanel combo better then Icewm? Speed? Memory usage? Eye-candy? Can you point me toward a good evaluation? Thanks .... KJ
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 22:09    Post subject: Re: openbox vs icewm  

Béèm and DaveS, Thanks for the quick responses. I haven't used Openbox very much .... sounds like I should look at it more carefully. Thanks again ... KJ
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2011, 00:17    Post subject: Re: openbox vs icewm  

KJ wrote:
Béèm and DaveS, Thanks for the quick responses. I haven't used Openbox very much .... sounds like I should look at it more carefully. Thanks again ... KJ


Tutorial here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=527539#527539 with screenshots etc.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2011, 17:01    Post subject: Using Openbox on ICE  

I have used Openbox is all I remember since running FATDOG. Seem that it was good enough for PUP525 to make it their standard WM.
  • Would the ICE extensions to the menus continue if Openbox is added?
  • Is there a PET that will install in Openbox on ICE?
  • Would ICE make Openbox available in the Menus same as FATDOG+PUP525?
Seems like a winning combo an "Openbox ICE", or maybe "ICEBOX", or maybe a "Super speed box of Icecicles" or ...?

Congratulations to all involved. Puppy is expanding significantly.
Thanks in advance for answering questions

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2011, 21:42    Post subject:  

Hi all

Just downloaded and am running icepuppy 013 as a multisession dvd totaly in ram.

Have found a few very nice touches over lucid
1 an upto date browser included
2 no evil flashplayer Wink
3 vlc as the standard media player

in fact I have not found anything I want to change yet,
Thanks for all the hard work pemasu and everybody else it is apreciated

cheers
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jun 2011, 01:38    Post subject:  

Thank you Stripe. Off topic, did you find the cure for xcb dependency with VLC compiling in Lucid Puppy. I tried to install whatever xcb and x11-xcb and... without gettting over to that dread xcb not found message.
I just gave up because I really didnt know what I should have done.
Otherwise I got VLC dependencies saturated. It was quite tedious job.
I used my compiled Qt4-4.8.0.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jun 2011, 02:09    Post subject:  

I was throwing together another old Linux box tonight and I just happened to have an Ice Puppy cd handy so........Ice Puppy 012 live pfix=nox,ram. Had to use "nox" because otherwise I got a frozen computer with a distorted display. Sound and internet did work on boot though.

Sun 5 Jun 2011 Operating System: ice Puppy-012 Linux 2.6.38.4
00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA product: MCP67 - mcp68-01 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: vesa
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (271x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Core 0: 2693 1: 2693 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.


# glxgears
1707 frames in 5.0 seconds
1682 frames in 5.0 seconds
1743 frames in 5.0 seconds
1766 frames in 5.0 seconds
1762 frames in 5.0 seconds
1771 frames in 5.0 seconds

-Computer-
Processor : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory : 903MB (246MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 05 Jun 2011 01:18:29 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
Audio device : nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
Ethernet controller : nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet (rev a2)


Now to get some more ram........ Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jun 2011, 02:24    Post subject:  

James C. I think 2.6.38 kernel with more conservative optimization is soon possible.
I have now played with Qt4 libs and applications and posted them in Snow Puppy thread.
I am going to try updated distro build with newest Qt4 and remove traces of older libs. It needs first testing that those apps plays with newer libs.
This is new learning experience, since Qt4 apps use mostly cmake and it behaves differently and accepts different spesificications.
I need also check statically build apps and change them to the shared linked so that they all use the same Qt4. It means getting off unneeded bigger static apps.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jun 2011, 16:37    Post subject: Fascinating Distro  

The more I test and use ICE the more and more fascinating it becomes. Another item which has made me smile is the ethernet desktop Popup that occurs whenever the ethernet cable or switch is connected. Its these little polished things that PEMASU provides which is beyond compare. Wow.

So far, on all of my LARGE platforms, this distro is superb. Oh, there has been some skips along the way, but that's what RHE stands for. It has handle ALL of my 1GB+ PCs for the most part without issues.

Again, I would add that anyone who uses the LIve media approach for production, MAY want to invest in having that PC have a permanent SWAP partition on Permanent (HDD) or semi-permanent (USB) media. Those who move USBs from PC to PC may want to have a dedicated SWAP partition on your 8GB+ sticks. For some reason, it seems to avoid some issue that all of us run into. (I, for years, have carried a 4GB stick in my bag around and use it whenever I boot Live media Linux, anywhere (especially Windows based PCs).

Thanks, again, Pemasu for have ICE. It truly is showing some of us the way.

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jun 2011, 16:44    Post subject:  

That popup is produced by xpupsay and it comes with Frisbee. Popups and Frisbee are magnificent products by Jemimah. She is the great mind and able coder behind many scripts found in Snow Puppy and Ice Puppy.
I dont want to take credit for something I havent done. I have merely found many Jemimah`s work so useful that I have applied them to my builds.

I am fond of Radky`s, Shinobar`s and 01mickos works also. Playdayz and Barry Kauler has done the base work for my derivatives producing the building platforms.

My job. Well, I have put these stuff together, compiled kernels many times and I have had really wonderful users and testers.
So biggest thanks goes to all these people, gcmartin included.

Now I am still playing with qt4 apps. Musescore is now under compiling. Next I will test Clementine. I needed to compile bigger Qt4 libs for those apps.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun 2011, 10:40    Post subject:  

Hi pemasu:

This is only an observation, not a request for action on your side. I like to place browsers and other large programs on /mnt/home to be accessed from multiple Puppies.
Naturally I did this also on ICE012 for FF, Opera, Open Office and Libre Office, Adobe and Peazip. Yesterday I changed from LO 3.3 to LO 3.4 and guess what? The symlink from /mnt/home to the desktop doesn't work anymore. All the other mentioned programs continue to work as they always did. Even when I click on the executable inside the Libre Office Folder on /mnt/home...nothing.
And...LO3.4 does work in other Puppies.
So it's not a symlink issue nor one related to LO in general, but one that has to do with LO3.4 specifically in ICE.

Isn't that strange?

Edit:
In Wary 512 LO3.4 has some issues, as well. But it does start, at least. In 525, spup, 432 it runs fine.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun 2011, 17:32    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:
Thank you Stripe. Off topic, did you find the cure for xcb dependency with VLC compiling in Lucid Puppy. I tried to install whatever xcb and x11-xcb and... without gettting over to that dread xcb not found message.
I just gave up because I really didnt know what I should have done.
Otherwise I got VLC dependencies saturated. It was quite tedious job.
I used my compiled Qt4-4.8.0.


If I remember I googled xcb and there was two seperate programs/source code I compiled them both and found it only needed one of them, sorry I cant remember which one,
(Have been having hard drive troubles so have not still got the files)

Hope this helps
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jun 2011, 05:04    Post subject:  

using 013

Is the auto repeat turned off for some reason
(hold down a character key in any text window)
or is it just me?

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jun 2011, 11:13    Post subject:  

At least auto repeat works for me.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jun 2011, 11:35    Post subject:  

Quote:
or is it just me?

just me doing something impossible
I saved my settings - rebooted and the auto repeat was working Embarassed

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