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pemasu


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 09:38    Post subject:  

Myke. I thought so. Your problem was so difficult to pinpoint to the kernel per se. I even suspected you had used savefile of the previous build.
But anyway. Going through kernel specs made me add more support.
The usb booting problem is still a little confusing for me.
But my compiling and building platform is now good.
Next thing is to redownload woof and start from the fresh woof, if usb booting problem still exists with the new kernel. Now Squashfs, Aufs, Initramfs are surely ok. I dont much use usb booting, got even a working stick from my son.
Tmpfs usage in usb booting and problems with it arises my suspicion to the woof platform than to the kernel.
But lets see.

About IcePuppy-004. It is history anyway. I removed it. It worked fine for me, but there really was some kernel specs wrong.

I havent remembered to emphatize that testing new kernel and build, ALWAYS start with FRESH install. IF everything is ALRIGHT, then use savefile, but dont report bugs caused by savefile of the other kernel version and build version. If it works, fine. If it does not, too bad.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 10:38    Post subject:  

pemasu:
I went ahead and burned a CD of 004. Installed 004 (frugal) from live CD on my Thinkpad R60. The followings are issues I have encountered so far:
- No battery icons on the system try
- Flash video streaming gets interrupted and eventually stalled. Best way to test this is to run one of the highlight news item, with a little camera at the end of its title, on CNN web site.
- The lap top has 4gigs memory, still shows 3.??. No big deal, just FYI.
I thought I'd better let you know about these before the 005 release.
Will be testing 005 ASA uploaded.
Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 10:54    Post subject:  

Marco07. That is ok. Ice Puppy-004 is history now.
Ice Puppy-005 under testing now. Posting from usb unetbootin and no 005 sfs in my hdd. So no possibility of wrong detection and booting from hdd.
It detects usb booting when you ADD pdev1=sdbX in my case pdev1=sdb1 to the kernel row. For some it can be sdc or sdd also. Depends on in what letter your usb stick is detected.
I really dont know yet why pmedia=usbflash does not work.

And this is definetely Highmem and PAE enabled and with Intel Atom optimization.

Lsmod shows that modules are loaded. Sorry this long paste, but it is for reference for me also.

sh-4.1# lsmod
Module Size Used by
cpufreq_ondemand 6152 0
freq_table 1635 1 cpufreq_ondemand
i915 223093 7
drm_kms_helper 19479 1 i915,[permanent]
usbhid 24908 0
fan 1694 0
keucr 69911 0
uvcvideo 45322 0
videodev 44282 1 uvcvideo
arc4 962 2
ecb 1373 2
option 12770 0
usb_wwan 6362 1 option
usbserial 20882 2 option,usb_wwan
uas 5271 0
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 16721 1
snd_hda_codec_realtek 201141 1
snd_seq_dummy 895 0
snd_hda_intel 15927 0
snd_seq_oss 18931 0
snd_hda_codec 44641 3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 3818 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss 26874 0
snd_mixer_oss 9837 1 snd_pcm_oss
pcspkr 1175 0
snd_seq_midi 3240 0
snd_pcm 45996 4 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_midi_event 3588 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_rawmidi 12203 1 snd_seq_midi
fbcon 28431 69
bitblit 3514 1 fbcon
softcursor 801 1 bitblit
tileblit 1533 1 fbcon
font 6928 1 fbcon
snd_seq 32476 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
ath9k 63303 0
atl1c 22689 0
snd_seq_device 3619 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
mac80211 129107 1 ath9k
sg 18997 0
snd_timer 12143 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
ath9k_common 1261 1 ath9k
ath9k_hw 239834 2 ath9k,ath9k_common
ath 10257 2 ath9k,ath9k_hw
cfg80211 97273 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
intel_ips 6585 0
i2c_i801 6030 0
snd 33065 13 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_oss,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_timer
soundcore 3310 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 4745 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
acer_wmi 13475 0
sparse_keymap 1892 1 acer_wmi
rfkill 10234 2 cfg80211,acer_wmi
shpchp 17853 0
pci_hotplug 16927 1 shpchp
intel_agp 7832 1 i915
intel_gtt 10130 3 i915,intel_agp
battery 7908 0
wmi 5918 1 acer_wmi
thermal 6058 0
evdev 6012 0
video 9353 1 i915
button 3590 1 i915
ac 2283 0
power_supply 5471 2 battery,ac
processor 20587 0
thermal_sys 9895 4 fan,thermal,video,processor
hwmon 965 1 thermal_sys
fuse 47450 0
aufs 117879 1678
squashfs 18722 1
sh-4.1# ^C
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 12:39    Post subject:  

Ice Puppy-005 has been released and uploaded. Quite a lot new modules added.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 12:45    Post subject:  

What about this one then. Does that has something that help get my fan
and thermal or is that kind of out of question for this kernel?
Yes sorry this is in snowpup5 based on 513
# lsmod
Module Size Used by

atl1c 23008 0
videodev 30650 1 uvcvideo
fan 2510 0
video 15230 1 i915
thermal 9443 0
#

what does it mean?

okay I test lsmod on many puppies until I find that thing then and I download and test it on Ice5 too and Fluppy and ... Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 12:55    Post subject:  

Nooby. I have acer laptop. Fan and thermal works for me. I get cpu core temp nicely. Also Acer Aspire One had them working.
As you can see above on my list , modules fan, thermal and thermal_sys are loaded on my above listing.

Nooby, on your listing thermal_sys is not loaded. That is the essential module for working cpu temp - fan control.

What version are you using nooby. You should try the newest 005.

And it NEEDS pdev1=sdXX kernel row parameter for usb booting.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 13:28    Post subject:  

Nooby. Thermal info and usage for fan control has been transferred to the thermal sys filesystem. Thermal_sys is the kernel module which is used to produce that information. You will not find that module in any other puppies. It is first time used in Ice Puppies and in derivatives made by original kernel announcer. He has thread under Puppy Projects.
Thermal_sys module was the reason lm-sensors, libsensors, gatotray, xsensors were needed to get graphical or numerical info of the cpu temp.
Cpu temp info goes hand with hand with fan control.
Kernel 2.6.38 does not anymore show cpu temp info or create fan control old way.
Nooby, there is no use to check thermal_sys from puppies using older kernel. You wont find it.
This thread tries to be testing thread for Ice Puppy. Information here is not general and cannot be used universally. Also testing puppies using older kernel with information from here is not always useful.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 13:37    Post subject:  

Oaky but that means that Acer D250 is different from your Acer and I also have a D255 I can test on and that one most likely are different too.

I tested ice5 and that one failed to get usb mouse but I should ahve tested without the pupsave from ice4 so I do it again just in case that solve it.

Yes I respect your thread I only wanted to know why it fails on mine if it works on yours. the pdev1 thing loaded 8 cardreaders I think

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 13:39    Post subject:  

Nooby. Do not use savefile from the older Ice Puppy. You get trouble and I get bug report which is not due to nonworking kernel but incompatible savefile. These builds are quite different in this stage.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 13:44    Post subject:  

Yes sorry I wrote above that I forgot you wanted fresh and so I deleted it and now I am writing from a totally fresh start and no pupsave yet and now I have the sys
thermal_sys 9909 4 fan,video,thermal,processor

Does that look normal then
gatotray show 26 C for temp but Fan run like mad and the computer is more hot than usual.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 13:46    Post subject:  

There should be small red thermometer in your tray. Move mouse over it. It gives info from tool tip. The app is called gatotray. Thanks to Beem for finding that nice tray app.
Also in console: #sensors give you thermal information if it works.
If you get values which sound right, you are closer for normal fan control.

To check if your hw can be regocnized, run in console sensors-detect and hit enter until you get through all questions. It wont harm your comp to do that. Read also what sensors are detected.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 14:22    Post subject:  

From tempestuous post when acerhdf was announced to control acer aspire one fan.

Quick HOWTO:
load the module with this command
Code:
modprobe acerhdf

Fan control now needs to be enabled with this command
Code:
echo enabled -n > /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode

Alternatively, you could enable fan control at the same time you load the module, by adding "kernelmode=1" to the command, as such
Code:
modprobe acerhdf kernelmode=1

Once enabled, you will now probably hear the fan turn off. The acerhdf driver will, by default, turn the fan on when the temperature gets up to 67C, then turn the fan off when the temperature gets down to 62C.
If you prefer something different, say 63C on, 58C off, then you should load the module like this
Code:
modprobe acerhdf fanon=63000 fanoff=58000


Whenever the acerhdf module is loaded, you can check your temperature with this command -

Code:
cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 15:41    Post subject:  

Thanks I remember that I copied those and put it in a ToDo Tomorrow text file so I test it then Smile Will be interesting.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 15:47    Post subject:  

Ice Puppy 005 live pfix=ram on my main Linux box. Everything good on initial boot once again.

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (199MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 23 Apr 2011 02:44:06 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Ethernet controller : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

# glxgears
436 frames in 5.0 seconds
467 frames in 5.0 seconds
475 frames in 5.0 seconds
453 frames in 5.0 seconds
423 frames in 5.0 seconds
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2011, 15:55    Post subject:  

James C. Good to know. I get nice low battery consumption with powertop.

I uploaded kernel stuff and kernel source sfs also
For those who would like to do kernel hopping or compile drivers.
Kernel pet is designed for woof building. To swap kernels, you need to extract it and use the files manually.
I havent done that, but James C is real expert on that.
I still believe that woof building is the right way so that there is no side effects. Of course result can be fine in manual switching, but you never know.
Anyway, this kernel could be useful for next spup with new kernel. Just a tip for James C.
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