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RetroTechGuy


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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:01    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
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So what do you think about my idea to reduce...

You harangue me for days on end, distort my words, impugn my motives and NOW you want to be constructive?

YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS.


Puppyite, go pound sand. I'm done wasting time with you.

You have made it abundantly clear that your desire was to control the developers. But don't hold your breath...

Meanwhile, I'm going to make suggestions to the developers, for possible ideas for the next release (you will note that unlike you, I'm not demanding changes, just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

We will see which strategy is more productive.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:05    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy,
At least you admit your transgressions against me, or deny them.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:05    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:
too many glaring issues are still going on here for puppy to be taken seriously

have fun with your next rootfest


You're absolutely right, Joyno... We really should consider making performance of a filesystem check an automagic process, that occurs on every boot.

And we should have a flag to turn it off so experts who don't want this "fscking" performed on their pupsave/lupusave/Spotsave can do so.

A corrupted filesystem is the bane of Linux newbies. Experts generally have no problem repairing them, so let's gear the boot process to protect newbies... (which will also save us work in the forums, as that complaint will be reduced)

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:07    Post subject:  

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At least you admit your transgressions against me.


You are absolutely right, Puppyite. The project manager and his development team should decide what the best direction for the project is. After all, they know more about the peculiarities of Puppy than we do.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:08    Post subject:  

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just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

I'd call that a solid foundation for any distro but then it means catering to the win crowd

gee i wonder if there will be opposition to that here Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:09    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
You're absolutely right, Joyno... We really should consider making performance of a filesystem...

As far as you are concerned the die is cast. This is to little and too late.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:12    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
You're absolutely right, Joyno... We really should consider making performance of a filesystem check an automagic process, that occurs on every boot.

And we should have a flag to turn it off so experts who don't want this "fscking" performed on their pupsave/lupusave/Spotsave can do so.

A corrupted filesystem is the bane of Linux newbies. Experts generally have no problem repairing them, so let's gear the boot process to protect newbies... (which will also save us work in the forums, as that complaint will be reduced)


sounds good and there was such a thing in the past but then there were complaints and it was removed, i don't recall an option to turn it off

took too long to boot
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:14    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:
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just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

I'd call that a solid foundation for any distro but then it means catering to the win crowd

gee i wonder if there will be opposition to that here Laughing


Well, in the past, the complaint was that it takes longer to boot, when you perform a fsck every time. I find that when the pupsave is not corrupted, it takes almost no time, and should be performed when it is corrupted.

But the speed of modern machines (which covers most users), and an "expert" switch to turn this feature off, should handle almost every complaint against it.

BTW, I run fsck as a default option on all of my machines... My early experience with Puppy was several rounds of lost pupsaves, before I tested it, going back to 4.12 or there-abouts, and observed that I was not getting a clean shutdown in any of the versions. This behavior eventually corrupted the filesystem to a point of unusable.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:15    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
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RetroTechGuy,
At least you admit your transgressions against me.


You are absolutely right, Puppyite. The project manager and his development team should decide what the best direction for the project is. After all, they know more about the peculiarities of Puppy than we do.

perhaps if they were elected, it would be less of an issue
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:16    Post subject:  

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You're absolutely right, Joyno... We really should consider making performance of a filesystem...

As far as you are concerned the die is cast. This is to little and too late.


Too little, too late? Hardly... I perform a fsck on my filesystem on every boot. It works quite well.

However, I do understand that your desire is not to contribute to this process, unless you can be the boss.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:17    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
jonyo wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote:
just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

I'd call that a solid foundation for any distro but then it means catering to the win crowd

gee i wonder if there will be opposition to that here Laughing


Well, in the past, the complaint was that it takes longer to boot, when you perform a fsck every time. I find that when the pupsave is not corrupted, it takes almost no time, and should be performed when it is corrupted.

But the speed of modern machines (which covers most users), and an "expert" switch to turn this feature off, should handle almost every complaint against it.

BTW, I run fsck as a default option on all of my machines... My early experience with Puppy was several rounds of lost pupsaves, before I tested it, going back to 4.12 or there-abouts, and observed that I was not getting a clean shutdown in any of the versions. This behavior eventually corrupted the filesystem to a point of unusable.

I like the idea and i don't even wanna think of massive failures i ran across
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:18    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote:
You're absolutely right, Joyno... We really should consider making performance of a filesystem check an automagic process, that occurs on every boot.

And we should have a flag to turn it off so experts who don't want this "fscking" performed on their pupsave/lupusave/Spotsave can do so.

A corrupted filesystem is the bane of Linux newbies. Experts generally have no problem repairing them, so let's gear the boot process to protect newbies... (which will also save us work in the forums, as that complaint will be reduced)


sounds good and there was such a thing in the past but then there were complaints and it was removed, i don't recall an option to turn it off

took too long to boot


Yes, I ran across that same complaint.

However, I'm a fan of data integrity, over speed. So if protecting my data takes a few more clock cycles, so be it.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:21    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:
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RetroTechGuy,
At least you admit your transgressions against me.


You are absolutely right, Puppyite. The project manager and his development team should decide what the best direction for the project is. After all, they know more about the peculiarities of Puppy than we do.

perhaps if they were elected, it would be less of an issue


No-one has denied you the power or right to elect a team to create a Puppy Community Edition.

I am quite comfortable with the process currently going forward for Spot.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:22    Post subject:  

jonyo wrote:
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jonyo wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote:
just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

I'd call that a solid foundation for any distro but then it means catering to the win crowd

gee i wonder if there will be opposition to that here Laughing


Well, in the past, the complaint was that it takes longer to boot, when you perform a fsck every time. I find that when the pupsave is not corrupted, it takes almost no time, and should be performed when it is corrupted.

But the speed of modern machines (which covers most users), and an "expert" switch to turn this feature off, should handle almost every complaint against it.

BTW, I run fsck as a default option on all of my machines... My early experience with Puppy was several rounds of lost pupsaves, before I tested it, going back to 4.12 or there-abouts, and observed that I was not getting a clean shutdown in any of the versions. This behavior eventually corrupted the filesystem to a point of unusable.

I like the idea and i don't even wanna think of massive failures i ran across


Mine were at the point of: "no icons, grey screen of death"... I found all of my files from /root/ in /lost+found/...

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 15:27    Post subject:  

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However, I'm a fan of data integrity, over speed. So if protecting my data takes a few more clock cycles, so be it.

my problem was i went too deep into unknown territory before taking backing up seriously ..i lost that one BIG time

it all seemed soooo good ..until reality reared up, and I even needed a few wake up calls duhhh Mad

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