Puppy 5.3

[jonyo]

wow what a rebuttal

[James C]

wow what a rebuttal

No need to rebut someone who hasn't a clue.

[jonyo]

that's for sure

[RetroTechGuy]

and nothing prevents me or others speaking our minds here,

Has anyone told you that you cannot speak? I haven't seen it.

the message seems to be my way or make your own

is it or isn't it?

And I note that your message seems to be "my way or quit"... (where the demand is for a democratically driven process, run by people who don't understand the OS, the development process, etc.).

And BTW, it isn't "my way" as I am not a developer, but a simple user. However, I have and will put out suggestions which may or may not be taken.

But if my suggestions are not taken, I'm not planning to stamp my feet, hold my breath, or try to get a crusade to kill those who are actually running the project and doing the work. ...seemingly _unlike_ some others in this thread...

[jonyo]

And I note that your message seems to be "my way or quit"... (where the demand is for a democratically driven process, run by people who don't understand the OS, the development process, etc.).

i am a user who can chose not to participate or waste time in what is not to my liking or that i agree with

you see a demand i see a proposition that is playing out

and for the record i have had no personal contact with puppyite other than a pm was sent, to which i did not respond

he speaks for himself as do i

[RetroTechGuy]

And I note that your message seems to be "my way or quit"... (where the demand is for a democratically driven process, run by people who don't understand the OS, the development process, etc.).

i am a user who can chose not to participate or waste time in what is not to my liking or that i agree with

That is correct.

And since you understand that, understand also that the developers and project leader are also free individuals who can choose not to participate or to not waste their time, if the project is not to their liking, or that they agree with.

You seemingly see the project this way from a personal perspective, but miss that the development team has all of the same rights, and choices.

You can join the team, under the leadership which has already been established. You can start your own team, with you as "field marshal". You can start your own team, with a oligarchy or democracy running it. Or you can choose not to participate. Many options for you.

But the free individuals, who are freely associating, to freely pursue their interests and hobbies in producing this next Puppy version, are not likely to take kindly to interlopers deciding that those interlopers should be giving the ORDERS, over the previously freely associating team.

No, I do not speak for Puppy Linux, nor the Spot development team, but I understand the personality type that results in that level of creativity. You can ask them yourselves, if you think it will gain you anything.

I'm afraid that I'm on the anarcho-libertarian side of the opinion scale, while you and Puppyite are seemingly on the totalitarian side...

What will you do if none will follow your call for a crusade?

[jonyo]

and for the record, nothing new is going on here, this all played out years ago and was never fully resolved

at that time aj and others were at the forefront of having a say in developments here

[jonyo]

What will you do if none will follow your call for a crusade?

let's try to keep it simple techy shall we? I have a voice here is all

i decide what i want to participate with and to what extent

[RetroTechGuy]

and for the record, nothing new is going on here, this all played out years ago and was never fully resolved

at that time aj and others were at the forefront of having a say in developments here

Well, why not start a group, and come up with requests and recommendations for the next version?

Or better yet, start discussing the pros and cons for various ideas: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 291#526291

[jonyo]

as a matter of fact that very thing happened in the past (another group)

frankly, i'm not that interested in puppy or where it might go

just depends what may develop

i certainly didn't like where it was in the past and dropped out as have many others

[jonyo]

And since you understand that, understand also that the developers and project leader are also free individuals who can choose not to participate or to not waste their time, if the project is not to their liking, or that they agree with.

You seemingly see the project this way from a personal perspective, but miss that the development team has all of the same rights, and choices.

you folks do whatever you like, im just watching to see what happens and adding my 2c at this point

[RetroTechGuy]

as a matter of fact that very thing happened in the past

frankly, i'm not that interested in puppy or where it might go

But you're interested enough to continue with this back-and-forth?...

just depends what may develop

i certainly didn't like where it was in the past and dropped out

So what do you think about my idea to reduce actual RAM usage, via a split-personality .SFS system? Or the "Uber Installer" which helps newbies get the right OS, and scale of OS for their system?

Perhaps the developers will reject these as too difficult. That is fine -- the "book-keeping" is probably not trivial, but probably tediously do-able. But the developers may not want to spend their time on such.

But perhaps such an idea will take root, and in either this release, or the next one, someone will say "hey, I know how to do that really easy!...".

Or perhaps they say "damn, that is really dumb!!"... They might even tell me why it is such a dumb idea...

[jonyo]

having taken a vacation for some time, i don't feel the emotional attachment that y'all seem to have here

you folks have the problems not me

i mostly moved on long ago

taking a break can do wonders

[puppyite]

So what do you think about my idea to reduce...

You harangue me for days on end, distort my words, impugn my motives and NOW you want to be constructive?

YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS.

[jonyo]

too many glaring issues (including internal) are still going on here for puppy to be taken seriously

have fun with your next rootfest

[RetroTechGuy]

So what do you think about my idea to reduce...

You harangue me for days on end, distort my words, impugn my motives and NOW you want to be constructive?

YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS.

Puppyite, go pound sand. I'm done wasting time with you.

You have made it abundantly clear that your desire was to control the developers. But don't hold your breath...

Meanwhile, I'm going to make suggestions to the developers, for possible ideas for the next release (you will note that unlike you, I'm not demanding changes, just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

We will see which strategy is more productive.

[puppyite]

RetroTechGuy,
At least you admit your transgressions against me, or deny them.

[RetroTechGuy]

too many glaring issues are still going on here for puppy to be taken seriously

have fun with your next rootfest

You're absolutely right, Joyno... We really should consider making performance of a filesystem check an automagic process, that occurs on every boot.

And we should have a flag to turn it off so experts who don't want this "fscking" performed on their pupsave/lupusave/Spotsave can do so.

A corrupted filesystem is the bane of Linux newbies. Experts generally have no problem repairing them, so let's gear the boot process to protect newbies... (which will also save us work in the forums, as that complaint will be reduced)

[RetroTechGuy]

RetroTechGuy,
At least you admit your transgressions against me.

You are absolutely right, Puppyite. The project manager and his development team should decide what the best direction for the project is. After all, they know more about the peculiarities of Puppy than we do.

[jonyo]

just looking for things I think will make it easier for newbies).

I'd call that a solid foundation for any distro but then it means catering to the win crowd

gee i wonder if there will be opposition to that here