Lighthouse Pup 5.03 203M Wine 1.3.14 (not being maintained)

[tazoc]

@Q5sys,
I agree, and others have asked how to set the weather widget. The configuration isn't easy, esp. for non-US locations, but clicking on both the 'www' and 'help' buttons makes a big difference.

LHP 5.03 stays with kernel 2.6.33.2 and Xorg-server 1.7.7

@Jim1911,
I'm making some progress on the bugs reported in this thread. Hope to have an update soon to address some of them. In further testing I found that the updated Mariner SFS '503' is usually not loaded when upgrading a save file, even if it is on the boot media. The previous Mariner will not load either. A proper fix requires an updated initrd.gz and new ISOs. As noted previously, this bug does not affect new installs or new save files.

For now, those using Mariner SFS and upgrading an earlier save file to 5.03 will need to

1. Place the new 5-Mariner-5G_503.sfs in /mnt/home (or in the same directory as the LHPsave file)
2. Boot with LHP 5.03 and
3. Either
   1. Re-select Mariner when prompted to press Enter early in system startup, (text mode) and accept prompt to upgrade to 503 or
   2. Accept upgrade to 503, then from desktop, use Menu|System|BootManager|Choose SFS to enable 5-Mariner-5G_503.sfs.

Step 3.b requires a reboot, 3.a does not. If KDE was being used it will fail to start w/o Mariner but its log out panel allows switching to another WM, like JWM, so that BootManager in 3.b can be employed. After rebooting, Mariner should be among the SFS loaded and then KDE will work again.

I also found that the CUPS Printer Manager does not start unless one uses Menu | Setup | Cups Printer Wizard and click 'Yes' when asked if you want to add a new printer. Even though cupsd is started during boot, opening http://localhost:631 in a browser doesn't work as it should. I don't know why that is so, but I found that inserting

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/etc/init.d/cups start

in the scripts cups_shell and cupsview does work. I'll make a PET update with that and a revamped SFS Boot Settings panel for BootManager.
-TazOC

[Indy452]

Hi, I'm sort of confused about LH and Mariner, What is the difference? Is the Mariner a separate project or is it intertwined somehow with LH?

Obviously I'm new to the "derivatives" and was just curious....LH looks very interesting and just wanted to clarify since I can find links to both iso's. I just want to make the right choice when I try it out...

Thanks.

[Jim1911]

Welcome to LHP,

You will find it one of the most complete pups available that is suitable with minimal hardware and the very latest.

LHP base ISO includes the basic puppy programs.

The mariner ISO includes the base LHP ISO along with the extas included in the mariner sfs ie. Firefox, Java, LibreOffice, Mariner, VirtualBox and Xfce4 SFS plus Audacity, EudoraOSE, Kompozer, Opera, and Sylpheed Pets, built with frugal-symlink.

If you really want a loaded LHP, get the base ISO, and select from the multitude of additional sfs files that are available. For example should you want to use the KDE desktop, you need the base ISO, the KDE sfs, Mariner sfs, and Voyager sfs.

If you want a compiler capability you need as a minimum the base ISO plus the devx sfs.

Enjoy,
Jim

[Sylvander]

PROBLEM:

1. It began in an earlier version = 5.02-G, and has carried over into 5.03-G.

Which is...
The small window down at bottom right displaying activity or usage or something [red on black background]...
It only displays the bottom 1/3.
If I "Ctrl+Alt+backspace" to drop to a command prompt, then xwin <Enter> to restart the window manager...
Once back at the desktop, the problem is gone until next session.

[Indy452]

Welcome to LHP,

You will find it one of the most complete pups available that is suitable with minimal hardware and the very latest.

LHP base ISO includes the basic puppy programs.

The mariner ISO includes the base LHP ISO along with the extas included in the mariner sfs ie. Firefox, Java, LibreOffice, Mariner, VirtualBox and Xfce4 SFS plus Audacity, EudoraOSE, Kompozer, Opera, and Sylpheed Pets, built with frugal-symlink.

If you really want a loaded LHP, get the base ISO, and select from the multitude of additional sfs files that are available. For example should you want to use the KDE desktop, you need the base ISO, the KDE sfs, Mariner sfs, and Voyager sfs.

If you want a compiler capability you need as a minimum the base ISO plus the devx sfs.

Enjoy,
Jim

Thanks....That explains a lot. I think I'll try the Mariner....

[Krille]

Thanks again for your help.
I just installed 5.03 and everything works out of the box, i am really impressed.

Just the booting time is not that fast as i expected but it`s ok. I can live with that

[tazoc]

The small window down at bottom right displaying activity or usage or something [red on black background]...
It only displays the bottom 1/3.
If I "Ctrl+Alt+backspace" to drop to a command prompt, then xwin <Enter> to restart the window manager...
Once back at the desktop, the problem is gone until next session.

That is xload, a very simple applet in the JWM tray. It can be refreshed by clicking Menu | Restart JWM. Here is the config in /root/.jwmrc-tray, near line 30

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		<Swallow name="xload" width="32">
			xload -nolabel -bg "#888888" -fg red -hl white
		</Swallow>

I don't know why it sometimes displays that way. Here are the xload options

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bash-4.1# xload --help
usage:  xload [-options ...]

where options include:
    -display dpy            X server on which to display
    -geometry geom          size and location of window
    -fn font                font to use in label
    -scale number           minimum number of scale lines
    -update seconds         interval between updates
    -label string           annotation text
    -bg color               background color
    -fg color               graph color
    -hl color               scale and text color
    -nolabel                removes the label from above the chart.
    -jumpscroll value       number of pixels to scroll on overflow
    -remote host            remote host to monitor

We could experiment with xload -scale 2 (or maybe 0 or 4) in the config.

With the Mariner SFS loaded there is qps, which also autoruns a trayicon with a much nicer graph you can click on for the process manager. With qps we can disable xload by commenting it out like this

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		<!--<Swallow name="xload" width="32">
			xload -nolabel -bg "#888888" -fg red -hl white
		</Swallow> -->

then save .jwmrc-tray and restart JWM, again from the menu.
-TazOC

[Sylvander]

@tazoc

1. "Here is the config in /root/.jwmrc-tray, near line 30"
The 3 lines of code in my copy of the file read:

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<Swallow name="xload" width="32">
xload -nolabel -bg "gray45" -fg red -hl white
</Swallow>

Knowing this, should I still follow the instructions given?
I've copied this file to a safe location [/03], so I can later restore it if necessary.

2. "With the Mariner SFS loaded"
Erm...I don't know anything about the Mariner SFS.
How do I check on this?
I'd like to be able to use SFS files, but so far haven't done any of that.

[tazoc]

Thanks again for your help.
I just installed 5.03 and everything works out of the box, i am really impressed.

Just the booting time is not that fast as i expected but it`s ok. I can live with that

You're welcome! For shorter boot times you can experiment with disabling the SFS boot prompt and/or copy2ram.

If you have any SFS add-ons loaded, for example Mariner and LibreOffice, click Menu | System | BootManager | Select SFS | OK. That will open BootManager: SFS Boot Settings. Select 'Auto' to skip the 5 sec boot prompt 'Press Enter to select and configure SFS'.

Near the bottom uncheck 'Copy extra SFS to RAM' for a faster boot, but apps in the add-ons will open a bit slower.

You can even disable copy2ram for the core OS (main file and Wine file) by entering puppy pfix=nocopy (same effect as pfix=noram) at the boot menu prior to starting Lighthouse. That will mount the OS from the boot media, instead of copying it to RAM--again faster boot, slower running.
-TazOC

[tazoc]

The 3 lines of code in my copy of the file read:

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<Swallow name="xload" width="32">
xload -nolabel -bg "gray45" -fg red -hl white
</Swallow>

Knowing this, should I still follow the instructions given?
I've copied this file to a safe location [/03], so I can later restore it if necessary.

Good idea. Try this config:

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		<Swallow name="xload" width="32">
			xload -scale 1 -update 4 -nolabel -bg "#7E7070" -fg green -hl "#7E7070"
		</Swallow>

Looks good so far on my desktop. I set the scale color (-hl) to the same as the background color to minimize the washed-out upper portion that fills up with scale lines at startup.

I don't know anything about the Mariner SFS.
How do I check on this?
I'd like to be able to use SFS files, but so far haven't done any of that.

It isn't hard. If you installed from the Mariner ISO there are already 6 .sfs files on it. Otherwise browse here or http://lhpup.org/sfs/503 and save one or two into the same folder where your LHPsave file is located, or into /mnt/home. Then click Menu|System|BootManager|Select and configure SFS, move them from the LH side (available) to the RH (selected) side of the window, click OK | OK | Quit and reboot. More information at http://lhpup.org/tips-lhp.htm#sfs A few of them require Mariner 503 and/or JavaRE, as described at the first link above, but most will work fine alone, or with others.
-TazOC

[Krille]

Thanks Tazoc, i will try that this evening

[Barburo]

Hi Taz,
I've been sort of here. Spent quite a lot of time checking out Mint Linux which I find preferable in every way over Ubuntu (except the install wiped out my carefully constructed grub 1 set-up).
I of course used a Puppy .iso to get in and remedy the situation.

I've just booted up the mariner version of 503 (I had to download the complete .iso but it was relatively rapid).

I used some of the parameters from your suggested example for a grub menu.lst entry.
Here's the line in question:

kernel /lhp503G/vmlinuz psubdir=lhp503G pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda6 vga=788 xforcevesa nomodeset video=800x600 nmi_watchdog=0 resume=/dev/sda7 pfix=fbcon,fsck

Yes it gives me a much better-sized set of messages on boot-up (they fill a single screen).
I have integrated intel graphics on this laptop and they display just fine (select "intel" in xorg and choose 1366x768 as screen resolution) but when I use ctrl-alt-backspce to drop to the command line all I see is a blank screen: no command line or messages.
I know it's there because typing "win" re-logs in.
I tried booting without the vga=788 parameter and all returns to normal.
How do I get better-sized logon messages and a command line I can see?

WIRELESS: Frisbee seems to work OK - it says that eth0 seems to be missing each time I boot into 503 but it successfully finds my network and connects.

Compiz seems to work with all the WMs it should - KDE, Xfce and LXDE.

Congrats on another phenomenal piece of work Taz.

B.

[Sylvander]

@tazoc

1. "Try this config:"
DONE; looking good, and working well.
I prefer the green to the red.
But it traverses too slow; Boxpup works the best of all.

2. "If you installed from the Mariner ISO"
Didn't do that; used LighthousePup-5.03-G.iso

3. "It isn't hard"
Done, and I found it easy to do.
Gave it a home in /mnt/home/06-Lighthouse above the /mnt/home/06-Lighthouse/LHP_503_Programs folder.
So, WHAT IS MARINER?
What does it do?
Should I now leave /root/.jwmrc-tray file as-is?
Or continue...and apply your instructions above?
Will reboot, and see if anything looks different with Mariner loaded.

4. By-the-way...
During Startup...
At the 2nd part...
The text on screen is tiny...
Only goes about 1/3 of the way across.

5. I run smm using a console.
And when I close the console...
Instead of it just closing down like in other Puppies [to close BOTH windows]...
It asks me "are you sure?", which is a pain.
I'd rather it just closed.

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6. OK, I'm back having rebooted.
With Mariner running, all I saw was a group of [too small to read easily] displays of various technical stuff.
Seemed more trouble than they were worth.
Too detailed? Difficult to read?

7. Xload was only displaying a green bar along the bottom; no graph of usage.
SO....

8. Hit "Ctrl+Alt+backspace".
All I got was a black/blank screen; no command prompt displayed.
But I know it's there unseen, so I type xwin and hit <Enter>, and I'm taken back to the desktop...
Where Xload is now working as it aught.

[tazoc]

Here's the line in question:

kernel /lhp503G/vmlinuz psubdir=lhp503G pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda6 vga=788 xforcevesa nomodeset video=800x600 nmi_watchdog=0 resume=/dev/sda7 pfix=fbcon,fsck

Yes it gives me a much better-sized set of messages on boot-up (they fill a single screen).
I have integrated intel graphics on this laptop and they display just fine (select "intel" in xorg and choose 1366x768 as screen resolution) but when I use ctrl-alt-backspce to drop to the command line all I see is a blank screen: no command line or messages.
..
How do I get better-sized logon messages and a command line I can see?

WIRELESS: Frisbee seems to work OK - it says that eth0 seems to be missing each time I boot into 503 but it successfully finds my network and connects.

Hi Barburo,
Try it without xforcevesa nomodeset, w/o vga=788 and w/o fbcon (frame buffer console) which is not for KMS (kernel modesetting) like this

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kernel /lhp503G/vmlinuz psubdir=lhp503G pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda6 video=800x600 pfix=fsck

I wonder if video=1366x768 would work?

If you ignore eth0 in Frisbee | Configure Network Interfaces, then it will skip testing eth0.

@Sylvander,
The xload tray will traverse faster if you change -update 4 to -update 2 (or 3) in .jwmrc-tray so the graph will update every 2 secs or so. Also give xload a minute or two at startup. And try Menu | Restart JWM instead of killing X.

If you're booting with GRUB try it w/o fbcon, etc as above. If you're booting from the CD, try typing lhp video=640x480 at the boot menu. If that doesn't work, please type cat /proc/cmdline in a terminal and post the o/p, or better yet type sys-info and attach /tmp/root/sys-info-110304.gz to a reply.

After running smm (I'm not familiar with that) in a terminal, type Ctrl+C and/or exit before closing the window. Or maybe even killall smm

WHAT IS MARINER?
What does it do?

http://www.lhpup.org/download503.htm#Mariner_SFS Mariner is a combo-pack of apps I find useful, tweaks for Lighthouse and some packages needed by other SFS add-ons.

-TazOC

[Sylvander]

@tazoc

1. "The xload tray will traverse faster if you change -update 4 to -update 2 (or 3) in .jwmrc-tray so the graph will update every 2 secs or so"
I set it to 1-sec; I like instant feedback.
Made the same change in Lupu-520.

2. "try typing lhp video=640x480 at the boot menu"
That works, but only for that one time that the command is typed in.
Is there a way to make that permanent?
So there's no need to type it in every time?

3. "After running smm (I'm not familiar with that)"
You should use it if you use a POP3 mail server.
It's like Mailwasher in Windows.
It allows you to quickly fetch the headers and text of all emails on the server.
You can read and delete emails without fetching, and then fetch any remaining.
You cannot be infected whilst using smm.
I DESPERATELY want an improved version of smm that can do ALL that Mailwasher can do.
e.g. Make rules to hide and delete spam from specified domains, and be able to click on a URL and be taken to the web-page.

4. "in a terminal, type Ctrl+C and/or exit before closing the window"
That works OK, but both need the expense of more time and effort than in other Puppies. [Not good]

5. "Mariner is a combo-pack of apps I find useful, tweaks for Lighthouse and some packages needed by other SFS add-ons"
I'm none the wiser.
That explanation is like: "Heat is an interaction between a system and its surroundings, due solely to the temperature difference between them."
Do you understand that?
It's the official definition of heat given when I was studying Thermo-dynamics.
It's like "rain" being the special name given to water that is in the process of falling from a cloud to the surface of planet Earth.

[Q5sys]

5. "Mariner is a combo-pack of apps I find useful, tweaks for Lighthouse and some packages needed by other SFS add-ons"
I'm none the wiser.
That explanation is like: "Heat is an interaction between a system and its surroundings, due solely to the temperature difference between them."
Do you understand that?
It's the official definition of heat given when I was studying Thermo-dynamics.
It's like "rain" being the special name given to water that is in the process of falling from a cloud to the surface of planet Earth.

Actually I do understand that from University physics. Anyway... Taz directed you to the LHPup site. On that site is this

You will see a listing of programs.. MESA, Thunderbird, XINE, etc. If you dont know what those are you can click on them and you'll be taken to each programs site.
Thats whats in the Mainer SFS.

As to what is an SFS, which Im assuming is your next question...
An SFS file is a file system 'in a can' so to speak if you've heard that analogy. If you're more curious about SFS files search the forum as there is a TON of information about them. In fact if you read TazOC's comments HERE and Jim1911's comments here in this thread alone you'll get a fair idea of what they are.

Does that help?

[Jim1911]

Small problem with Mixer PCM volume slider which does not retain it's setting, it reverts to minimum setting on reboot. This is with KDE desktop, not tested other desktops.

[Q5sys]

TazOC,
Does http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/503/VirtualBox-4.0.2-L1.sfs include the Guest additions?

[tazoc]

Small problem with Mixer PCM volume slider which does not retain it's setting, it reverts to minimum setting on reboot. This is with KDE desktop, not tested other desktops.

Hi Jim,
KDE should restore the previous mixer levels when it starts but apparently something is muting the PCM. You might try pasting this into a terminal

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echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nsleep 5\namixer set PCM 100% unmute' > ~/.kde/Autostart/amixer
chmod 755 ~/.kde/Autostart/amixer

and restart X. That creates a script in KDE's Autostart folder to force the PCM to 100%. You can then edit /Autostart/amixer with a text editor and change 100% to desired level, e.g., 70%.

If it doesn't work, try sleep 8 or open the same mixer in your screen shot and try

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amixer set PCM,0 100% unmute

in a terminal, to see if the ',0' is needed.

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amixer controls

will list the name of each slider. If PCM is named something else or there are more than one, use the full name of the slider in the script like this

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amixer set PCM Playback Volume 100% unmute

Hope that helps,
TazOC

[tazoc]

TazOC,
Does http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/503/VirtualBox-4.0.2-L1.sfs include the Guest additions?

Yes, the extension pack and additions are in /opt/VirtualBox/additions
More at Mariner ISO 503 release notes.

The download page for v 4.0.2 is http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.2/ and I see there is an update for the guest additions there,
VBoxGuestAdditions_4.0.2-update-69551.iso as well as
VBoxGuestAdditions_4.0.2.iso which is the one in the SFS. The update is dated Jan 20, two days later than the original. I haven't tried either one.

The extensions can be installed/removed from VirtualBox Manager | File | Preferences | Extensions

The additions are installed by starting the Virtual Machine | Devices | Install Guest Additions
-TazOC