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Puppy Wary 5.0 - Finally suspends to RAM
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MochiMoppel


Joined: 26 Jan 2011
Posts: 1937
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri 11 Feb 2011, 05:05    Post subject:  Puppy Wary 5.0 - Finally suspends to RAM  

Konnichiwa and greetings, it's my first post. Should I talk nonsense or fail to see the obvious, please bear with me. I was using Puppy 4.2 since its birth, tried a few successors and always went back to 4.2. Running from a 1GB giveaway USB stick it was a pleasure to use. Yes, that's the point: I actually used it and gradually forgot about my fat XP. I don't hate XP - I like it and I like some wonderful applications written for Windows, but what can beat the coolness of running an almost undestroyable OS from a tiny USB stick? Good stuff!

One of the few things I missed was the ability for my desktop computer to suspend to RAM. I tried various scripts mentioned in the forum (http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1711465239&t=14467), I tried the AcpiTool (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31753) and the result was always the same:
The computer suspends beautifully, it even wakes up when pushing the power button, but then there would be only a black screen. I would then frantically try all key-combinations known to mankind, but no luck.

4.2 was good, but Wary 5.0 is better -at least for me. I'm delighted to see that Wary 5.0 can suspend to RAM : Though up to the black screen it's the familiar story, I was able to get the desktop back with Ctrl+Alt+F4. Even this glitch was easy to fix: In the script I changed chvt 3 to chvt 4. Only one little problem remains: The text consoles are dark as night. Switching with Ctrl+Alt+F1 to tty1 shows a black screen, the same with tty2 and tty3. They are alive, accept commands, but I have to type blindly. Practically this is only annoying when shutting down since the screen messages are invisible, and it's downright irritating when the shutdown process involves dialogs.. then the computer appears to hang. But these are minor problems. And after all: a perfect Puppy would be boring, wouldn't it?

[UPDATE]
Meanwhile I tested Lucid Puppy 5.2: Suspends nicely! Even the black consoles are gone: Oszillating stripes .. in color. Looks like a salamitized X desktop. Overall Lucid seems to be more polished and stable than Wary.

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yr1945

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Feb 2011, 10:51    Post subject: suspend...
Subject description: to ram
 

have you tried Puppeee for EEE netbooks/notebook's...or... Fluppy for all other notebooks?

both of these puppy versions suspend and wake up with a cliick of a button... no problems at all on my laptop... toshiba a135s4527

these two puppy OS' are simply fantastic!
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MochiMoppel


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Feb 2011, 22:24    Post subject: Re: suspend...
Subject description: to ram
 

yr1945 wrote:
have you tried Puppeee for EEE netbooks/notebook's...or... Fluppy for all other notebooks?


No, I haven't, I don't use a notebook. Notebooks probably have suspend capabilities already built into their BIOS and a dedicated button, but my desktop doesn't. I'm also aware that specialized puplets can do things that the official versions can not, but for various reasons I try to stick with the official puppy versions.

But thanks anyway. Your hint might be useful for other users.
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cthisbear

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 4455
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 01:02    Post subject:  

MochiMoppel :

I've just returned from Japan yesterday.
Nice people....but terrible coffee...ha! ha!.

But then I got on our train at Sydney airport....dreadful.
Started missing Japan immediately.

Great that you use Puppy.
Terrible to see all the old notebooks etc in Akihabara not being
utilised because all the Japanese know is windows.

Fluppy is very good...and though yours is a desktop
you may be surprised by the performance.

Anyway welcome to the Puppy forum and I hope someone may give
you more suggestions.

//////////

Yodobashi in Akihabara

http://www.japaneselifestyle.com.au/tokyo/akihabara_shopping.htm

Regrds ...Chris.
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jemimah


Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 01:52    Post subject:  

Suspend may not work correctly when running from a usb stick - you may lose access to the root filesystem when you resume.

Loading the kernel module "fbcon" may help with your black consoles.
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MochiMoppel


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 04:32    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
Loading the kernel module "fbcon" may help with your black consoles.


Thanks jemimah, but I'm afraid I don't know how to load a kernel module. I tried the BootManager (in the System menu), but "fbcon" is not in the list af installable or blacklisted modules. What am I supposed to do?
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 19:21    Post subject:  

Yes I don't see it either. I guess Barry has removed the fbcon module or else compiled it into the kernel.

You should definitely try moving the save file to your hard disk and see if that helps.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 21:13    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
Yes I don't see it either. I guess Barry has removed the fbcon module or else compiled it into the kernel.

You should definitely try moving the save file to your hard disk and see if that helps.


fbcon.ko is still there.

If you type this in a terminal window, you can confirm:

# modinfo fbcon

You can get it to load at startup, put this into /etc/rc.d/rc.local:

modprobe fbcon

Or, if you run the BootManager (System menu) and click on "Click here to add a new module", you can add 'fbcon' to load at bootup. I just checked, 'fbcon' is in the list, I don't know why you reported that it isn't.

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jemimah


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 21:47    Post subject:  

I don't see it in wary-small anyway.

Code:
# pwd
/mnt/+mnt++mnt+DEV+isos+wary-500-small.iso+wary_500.sfs/lib/modules/2.6.31.14
# find . -name "*fbcon*"
#


Maybe the bigger kernel has it.
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MochiMoppel


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Feb 2011, 22:53    Post subject:  

yes, I'm using wary small and fbcon is not in there.

I tested with a fresh 5.1.3 beta live-CD:
1) Added fbcon via BootManager (without parameters)
2) Created pup_save file on HD
3) Rebooted and suspended
4) After wakeup desktop is back, but consoles are still black....
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