Lucid Puppy 5.2 feedback and bug reports
brightness issue
Hey guys,
I think I might have open the thread in the wrong topic... could you have a look at it? I don't have a lot of time troubleshooting, and this issue is strange to me...
Thanks in advance,
awagnerur
I think I might have open the thread in the wrong topic... could you have a look at it? I don't have a lot of time troubleshooting, and this issue is strange to me...
Thanks in advance,
awagnerur
Well, I haven't had the time to read all the posts in this thread, but at any rate, if I say anything that has been said, it will serve to confirm other people's opinions.
I got sick of my big, fat, clumsy Ubuntu installation. I got sick of KDE, too. I am looking for alternatives. I've been testing Puppy for a few days and here are my impressions.
WHAT I LIKE:
* Very, lean and fast! Just what I was looking for.
* Excellent configuration tools. They really work! Amazing.
* More intelligent than most distros what with the modularity, the use of SFS and how it is not afraid of using/booting many different types of media (HD, CD, USB etc.) and the bold statement of running as root!
WHAT I DON'T LIKE:
* The menus are an incredible mess. Holy cow, it's all over the place, and some menus have submenus, and the configuration tools are straightforward, but convoluted at the same time because there are so many tabs and submenus and options and detours and simply running of programs/utilities in the configuration sections... Aaaargh! Very, very messy.
* Lack of packages. The Ubuntu compatibility doesn't quite cut it. For example, I really need VIM and cryptsetup/LUKS. There are no Puppy packages and I can't make these work correctly from Ubuntu. I really would like to see more packages. That was the number one reason why I chose Ubuntu as my current distro. Please clap your hands and do the Steve Ballmer dance with me: packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages...
WHAT I LOATHE:
* The package management system. Abysmal. The UI is very badly designed, very clumsy, doesn't adapt well to my screen size, I can't resize/adjust panes properly, the amount of information is not good enough (I am used to Ubuntu's Adept Manager)... Then I select one package and it takes too long to install. Too many steps and waiting around in the process. Even worse, I can only install ONE at a time! No batch operation. If I could at least select a dozen and go do something else while Puppy chugs along its lengthy installation process (like APT), it wouldn't be as brutal. But noooo, the thing forces me to sit through the whole ordeal because it only installs one package at a time and also because this annoying child keeps asking me to click OK in 3 or 4 dialogs for every each damn package... Grrrrrrr! This is even worse than Windows!
Being able to use Ubuntu repositories is nice, but besides the compatibility problems (messy dependencies, for example), it is not smart. We have to download the list of packages first, fine, APT does that too. But then it downloads and compiles the list... Man, that took forever! Excruciating. Then I removed two repositories and added other two. What happened? The stupid procedure went over the entire process again, not only for the new repositories, but also for the old ones again, again, again... And it took forever plus inifinity! Awful. Just damn awful.
Despite the problems, I love this distro and I want to use it. I can live with the messy menus and even the horrible package manager since I don't install new software that often. The deal breaker for me so far is the lack of support to cryptsetup/LUKS. I absolutely need that, really can't live without it.
Thank you for this opportunity.
I got sick of my big, fat, clumsy Ubuntu installation. I got sick of KDE, too. I am looking for alternatives. I've been testing Puppy for a few days and here are my impressions.
WHAT I LIKE:
* Very, lean and fast! Just what I was looking for.
* Excellent configuration tools. They really work! Amazing.
* More intelligent than most distros what with the modularity, the use of SFS and how it is not afraid of using/booting many different types of media (HD, CD, USB etc.) and the bold statement of running as root!
WHAT I DON'T LIKE:
* The menus are an incredible mess. Holy cow, it's all over the place, and some menus have submenus, and the configuration tools are straightforward, but convoluted at the same time because there are so many tabs and submenus and options and detours and simply running of programs/utilities in the configuration sections... Aaaargh! Very, very messy.
* Lack of packages. The Ubuntu compatibility doesn't quite cut it. For example, I really need VIM and cryptsetup/LUKS. There are no Puppy packages and I can't make these work correctly from Ubuntu. I really would like to see more packages. That was the number one reason why I chose Ubuntu as my current distro. Please clap your hands and do the Steve Ballmer dance with me: packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages...
WHAT I LOATHE:
* The package management system. Abysmal. The UI is very badly designed, very clumsy, doesn't adapt well to my screen size, I can't resize/adjust panes properly, the amount of information is not good enough (I am used to Ubuntu's Adept Manager)... Then I select one package and it takes too long to install. Too many steps and waiting around in the process. Even worse, I can only install ONE at a time! No batch operation. If I could at least select a dozen and go do something else while Puppy chugs along its lengthy installation process (like APT), it wouldn't be as brutal. But noooo, the thing forces me to sit through the whole ordeal because it only installs one package at a time and also because this annoying child keeps asking me to click OK in 3 or 4 dialogs for every each damn package... Grrrrrrr! This is even worse than Windows!
Being able to use Ubuntu repositories is nice, but besides the compatibility problems (messy dependencies, for example), it is not smart. We have to download the list of packages first, fine, APT does that too. But then it downloads and compiles the list... Man, that took forever! Excruciating. Then I removed two repositories and added other two. What happened? The stupid procedure went over the entire process again, not only for the new repositories, but also for the old ones again, again, again... And it took forever plus inifinity! Awful. Just damn awful.
Despite the problems, I love this distro and I want to use it. I can live with the messy menus and even the horrible package manager since I don't install new software that often. The deal breaker for me so far is the lack of support to cryptsetup/LUKS. I absolutely need that, really can't live without it.
Thank you for this opportunity.
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too bad your not using 2.14X I compiled it and combined it all into one single pet install, ummm Ubuntu this and that, baaaaaaa humbug pet's are easier when you do this http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 782#505782Luluc wrote:Well, I haven't had the time to read all the posts in this thread, but at any rate, if I say anything that has been said, it will serve to confirm other people's opinions.
I got sick of my big, fat, clumsy Ubuntu installation. I got sick of KDE, too. I am looking for alternatives. I've been testing Puppy for a few days and here are my impressions.
WHAT I LIKE:
* Very, lean and fast! Just what I was looking for.
* Excellent configuration tools. They really work! Amazing.
* More intelligent than most distros what with the modularity, the use of SFS and how it is not afraid of using/booting many different types of media (HD, CD, USB etc.) and the bold statement of running as root!
WHAT I DON'T LIKE:
* The menus are an incredible mess. Holy cow, it's all over the place, and some menus have submenus, and the configuration tools are straightforward, but convoluted at the same time because there are so many tabs and submenus and options and detours and simply running of programs/utilities in the configuration sections... Aaaargh! Very, very messy.
* Lack of packages. The Ubuntu compatibility doesn't quite cut it. For example, I really need VIM and cryptsetup/LUKS. There are no Puppy packages and I can't make these work correctly from Ubuntu. I really would like to see more packages. That was the number one reason why I chose Ubuntu as my current distro. Please clap your hands and do the Steve Ballmer dance with me: packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages, packages...
WHAT I LOATHE:
* The package management system. Abysmal. The UI is very badly designed, very clumsy, doesn't adapt well to my screen size, I can't resize/adjust panes properly, the amount of information is not good enough (I am used to Ubuntu's Adept Manager)... Then I select one package and it takes too long to install. Too many steps and waiting around in the process. Even worse, I can only install ONE at a time! No batch operation. If I could at least select a dozen and go do something else while Puppy chugs along its lengthy installation process (like APT), it wouldn't be as brutal. But noooo, the thing forces me to sit through the whole ordeal because it only installs one package at a time and also because this annoying child keeps asking me to click OK in 3 or 4 dialogs for every each damn package... Grrrrrrr! This is even worse than Windows!
Being able to use Ubuntu repositories is nice, but besides the compatibility problems (messy dependencies, for example), it is not smart. We have to download the list of packages first, fine, APT does that too. But then it downloads and compiles the list... Man, that took forever! Excruciating. Then I removed two repositories and added other two. What happened? The stupid procedure went over the entire process again, not only for the new repositories, but also for the old ones again, again, again... And it took forever plus inifinity! Awful. Just damn awful.
Despite the problems, I love this distro and I want to use it. I can live with the messy menus and even the horrible package manager since I don't install new software that often. The deal breaker for me so far is the lack of support to cryptsetup/LUKS. I absolutely need that, really can't live without it.
Thank you for this opportunity.
ttuuxxx
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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They are. Puppy is bloated or to be more precise well endowed . . . m m mThe menus are an incredible mess. Holy cow
We haz loads of software . . . that is wot I mean.
You could install wbar
I believe in the future we need to cut out everything that is now available in Pupcontrol
I have also mentioned the 3 layers of menu as overkill but this is because of woof and compatibility with multiple window managers.
One possibility is 3 types of menu
beginner / essentials
intermediary / more apps
advanced / full
Usability and easy packages is an important goal.
Quickpet I believe is a step in the right direction
We have to be a bit geeky
otherwise everyone will use Puppy
and then how can we say:
Puppy Linux
My OS is better than yours
Re: Chrome-8
Thanks. I installed the Iron-7 pet and this finally got me a browser that doesn't crash. I couldn't find the Iron-8 pet in the package manager, but iron 7 works just fine. I have no idea why Firefox, Opera and Seamonkey all crash, nor why more people don't find the same problem.
xman wrote:Yes, I found a passable browser for Lupu-5.2. As I reported earlier, PPM, Opera 11.01 and Firefox 3.6.13 & 4b were freezing, and Midori was crashing.
Still, I have live-cd burned and I can't forget it. So, I have to give 3rd fresh start for Lupu-5.2. And indeed, browsers installed from Chrome-8-stable.deb (http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html?hl=en) or Iron-8.0.555.0-Lucid.pet without any extra libs are behaving quite well in my old laptop (amd-512).
Quisp
Did this Puppy comes without Quisp?
I usually buy my Puppy disks from Barry (dialup conditions here), but since he stopped selling, I purchased a CD from a online retailer.
This did not have Quisp.
So is this an oversight maybe in the seller's CD's or was it officially left out?
I usually buy my Puppy disks from Barry (dialup conditions here), but since he stopped selling, I purchased a CD from a online retailer.
This did not have Quisp.
So is this an oversight maybe in the seller's CD's or was it officially left out?
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See this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65903bignono1 wrote:I have a menu problem in jwm, the Openpox wm is ok.
When i go : Menu\Desktop\Desktop Settings, then the submenu does not go to the wright direction, it goes to the left as in the attachment.
Fixmenus did not fix it, any idea?
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Re: Quisp
I have no Idea, but I just compiled the latest version on 2.14X but should work on any puppy version, its under 1MB, so that's not a bad download for dialup.MikeMT wrote:Did this Puppy comes without Quisp?
I usually buy my Puppy disks from Barry (dialup conditions here), but since he stopped selling, I purchased a CD from a online retailer.
This did not have Quisp.
So is this an oversight maybe in the seller's CD's or was it officially left out?
I also included the documents in the menu/internet, that added 200kb to the pet.
ttuuxxx
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 267#507267
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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Here's a Question about QuickPet that another user posted on another thread.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 275#507275
ttuuxxx
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 275#507275
ttuuxxx
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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Yes I've had a few of them, 2 boys and 2 girls, my oldest is 20 and my youngest is 2 months, Lets just say she was a surprise gift. , its been about 9 years Since the last baby, Some things you remember and other you forget. lol And yes they are really demanding, like she wakes up and wants a bottle within 1-2 seconds or it sounds like you ran over her foot with a car, lol I guess patience is something you learn. Because babies have none. I did manage to teach her the letter "O" sound and how to shape her lips, lol she looks so please when she makes the sound. lolMikeMT wrote:ttuuxxx,
I grabbed the Quisp, Thanks.
Also, I like 2:14X, and aren't those babies demanding. It does get better.
ttuuxxx
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
There is actually a bug in the menu generation, always has been in Puppy 5. It was fixed by a .pet in 525, see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66569The menus are an incredible mess. Holy cow, it's all over the place
I don't know if this will work with 5.2, but I suppose it is worth a try.
Every time i post a reply with a url from the forum i get a blank page.
I just want to say that a bug reported here on page 5 is to be looked at , the desktop menu bug.
I just want to say that a bug reported here on page 5 is to be looked at , the desktop menu bug.
Last edited by bignono1 on Wed 27 Apr 2011, 10:09, edited 1 time in total.
Ya'll might want to know about this one, as its liable to cause some confusion. I just finished installing Lupu 520 to a beige Dell (!!) that I had lying around (local tech shop *gave* it to me cuz it's a P3 ) -- and guess what?
The Puppy Universal Installer thinks that the internal 250MB ZiP Drive (came with the system) is an IDE HDD!!
Might want to fix that, since again, it's liable to make for some spectacular confusion amongst the n00bie crowd.
The Puppy Universal Installer thinks that the internal 250MB ZiP Drive (came with the system) is an IDE HDD!!
Might want to fix that, since again, it's liable to make for some spectacular confusion amongst the n00bie crowd.
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At least two users have reported a problem with Lucid Puppy not giving them an option to create a save file at the first shutdown: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67226. I haven't had this problem myself, but it appears to be a bug that should be fixed if possible.
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Not sure what you mean by this -- the drive is there, yes, and it's (presumably) usable, but I don't have any ZiP 250 disks to test it. So the drive is empty and has been since I've gotten hold of this system.bignono1 wrote:The snapshot is showing sdb IOMEGA ZIP 250 , which is the actual thing.
So if you mean, the drive is there, then yes.
If you mean, there's a disk being detected, well, no.