Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[puppyiso]

Linux was developed via the internet.
The internet is always the heart of Linux.
Puppy used to connect the internet without much trouble.

Not anymore.

Simple DSL connection is not possible. I used to use eth0 to connect.
It doesn't work now.

Other distros, I can use DSL and get on the Internet.

However, Puppy cannot do such simple thing anymore at least not so easily.

I tried PPoE and all other possible solutions. Nothing works.

People are forgetting the very basic needs such as the internet connection.

I had to boot Zorin to use the internet.

Without any Geek word, can anyone explain how to connect network without saying he/she has no problem with the internet?

Whatever the reason or solution might be, IT IS PITY PuppyLinux internet connection is much more difficult than others.

Whoever thinks he is contributing to the progress of Puppy might have to look at what he is doing. Neglecting the very basic is NOT a progress but a true regression.

I have tried more than 20 Puppies so far and nothing works and I am suddenly disconnected from the internet for the first time I ever started using Puppy.(since 2003).

I don't think hurried up distrowatch announcement means "Progress"
So many half-cooked alpha version "Finals", Too difficult usage, Out of date boot up messages, still missing Puppy identity are things to take care of.

Puppylinux has no leadership and the actions I see here are total CHAOS.

I truly miss those days Barry was in charge.

Nowadays People are announcing their own versions of Puppy which are not much different from the original and call them "Progress" But I only see they are "Regression" which can't even allow users to connect the internet.

I am talking about QUALITY control. Users are NOT alpha testers. Repeating download-and-being disappointed should come to stop.

After downloading so many puppies and found out nothing works.. How would you feel?

I do care about the future of PuppyLinux. I am a user of puppy since 2003.

But I now can't help worrying Puppy still doesn't have distinctive Identity(such as instant booting, media center etc.) and most importantly not being able to what it used to do.

Shame on you people who made Puppy internet disabled.

John

[Béèm]

I wonder who is to blame.
So many people connect to the internet without a problem with different puppy's.
I connect without a problem with some 10 different puppy's and this with 2 PC's.

Instead of ranting as you did, just give the basic details of your system , puppy, install type and the exact steps you took to get to the internet.

[01micko]

[pemasu]

[puppyiso]

First, I have to say that Puppy has impoved in many ways.

The most fundamental thing in this era is definately "The Internet" AND That spot is neither impoved nor stablized.

No matter whatever I do, I just can not get on the internet. At first it was odd for me who used Puppy all the time and it became obssession because it is not working any more.

I am not talking about "4G, 3G or Wifi something" I am talking about "The G' Old Wired Connection"

CHINA is NOT, NEVER AND NEVER will be internet leading country. Its level of internet technology is the very bottom of that of any country.
I can say this because I came from one of the fastestes internet stong country. The difference shows definately.

The connection is slow and very unstable and still expensive. It used to be 5k/sec to download any file and even that was randomly disconnected.

Downloading 100mb puppy was often a week's job.

If I lived in a country where the internet technology is so fast paced that it is hard to catch up, then I would understand that the puppy developers couldn't catch up the progress.

But this is CHINA. EVERYTHING is at least a century back. They live with ancient technology.

SO. I can't understand why The New Puppies cannot make connection with this ancient internet line. It used to connect without problem. Auto Eth 0 was all it required. (Cherished memory...)

It is not possible this lazy people could have made any progress on their internet technology. They still have the same technology.

If it does matter, I have to tell you the notorious China Telecomm internet division is merged with China Unicomm. However things seem unchanged.

There can't be any change in this land of manmandi.(I applied the internet and a guy showed up a week later after calling 100s of times and the man said it was unusually FAST.....)

Since the old network wizard and the new wizard network connection didn't work, I tried everything possible. I read uncountable doucument and felt dizzy with all scripts and network technology jargon.

Among them PPoE DSL connection was the closest thing but it didn't work either.

So I tried other distros. all worked well especially, Zorin.
I added customer id and password and then chose DSL to get on the internet. That was it. That easy. However, Puppy is better in many OTHER ways. Puppy is true open platform where people can do whatever they want.

That's why I like Puppy so much.

I tried so many puppies last 3 weeks (downloaded through XP ) I don't remember which puppies they were. I do remember DPUP-009 is the one I spent most time.

I have tried EVERYTHING and I cannot recall everything I have tried. To make it short, I tried mostly on Wizard Auto Eth 0 and PPoE.

I don't know much a do about XP but had little trouble connecting internet.
So were most distros. I came to wonder why people are not interested in simplifying the internet connection.

SliTaz automatically configure and act as server when it boots up. I would like to a bitter medicine than just being a brown nose.

Yes, I did get pissed off after trying 20 something puppies and nothing worked. But that doesn't mean Puppy is bad. It is bad people forgetting about the internet connection, leaving it to technical dark magic to Windows refugees. In this age, who would bother to check DNS, IP add, ISP info etc.


Yes, It is me who doesn't have enough network knowledge to hack the internet connection. I should be good at Linux, PHP, SQL, etc just to use the internet. But in my humble opinion, who pays that much attention just to use the internet? Isn't this the time of auto connection with boot?

Since Barry's departure, most people hurried up only superficial decorations and left the internet connection very ancient, cumbersome, dedicated to most GEEK person ever dare to modify.

Since one puppy doesn't work, download another, tried again, not working and repeat the same process till drop.

3weeks! I began to loose my patient.

Why are there so many network menus and they all look too alien to people living in 2011? A simple universal menu or better yet, automatic!!

Some people think I am overreacting but I can't help thinking why the internet connection section has little improvement or have even regressed to prohibit a long time internet user to log on the internet.

I am not trying to say there is NO impovement at all.
Whatever the impovement was, People supposed not to fix the internet connection which wasn't broken.

I wish Puppy developers pay a little more attention to "FULLY AUTOMATIC INTERNET CONNECTION WITHOUT ASKING ANYTHING"

At least enough for this ancient internet connection.

There is no information to provide. Its ChinaUnicomm. In XP just input customer id and password are the only thing to provide. So are Zorin and all other Ubuntu derivatives.

If this weak spot is a little bit polished, Puppy would be much better than now.
Cause it's hard to imagine computers without the internet nowadays.

I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feeling. I might just don't get what I am doing wrong. People might have impoved the internet connection on their own way. I might just don't know it.

BUT it is true and clear;

Puppy's internet connection should be simplified and even automatic.

I would like to suggest developers consider common users' point of view.

John

[puppyiso]

Here are the comparative shots

First, Puppy

[puppyiso]

Second, Hmm.. Let a say, Zorin (I didn't even heard of this distro before this)

[puppyiso]

Hello, 01micko

Here is my story.

Until recently, I was using "such such" puppy but I can't specify the name for political reasons.

If I say the name, I might hurt his/her feeling. I didn't contribute anything to this community but he did by providing that Puppy.

Being only critic and unknown tester of most Puppies doesn't mean anything to anybody. I am not in position to blame a specific person.

I had been using his Puppy but I didn't have the internet connection at home.
I look at monitor all day long at work. When home, I should serve my fat lady and officially away from the computer thing.(that's how I was told by my lady )

She also use the internet at work(I mean during breaks, you know what I mean ) Her note book has 3G card plugged in.

We have lived that way kind of long.

Now we decided try some internet business and went to Chinese internet provider(they sell phones mainly )

So I naturally wanted to use puppy because of virus. I only had Puppy on HD then. With my wife standing by, I tried to connect the internet, thinking it was an easy job.

For the last a few weeks, she argued that I was just wasting time and should have the computer XP installed. Hell, No then but now Hell ya now.

Remembering how easy it once was, I downloaded quite a few (around 20) in a day and tried them all so far.

You said why I didn't say anything on SPUP etc, I didn't have the internet connection then. I didn't know.

Since I like this such such Puppy(I can write Korean letters and file names don't scramble ), I am still stick to this one and all others I tried, I don't even remember their names.

I appreciate your willingness to help. There got to be a way.

However, the reason I posted this is not to solve the problem. We kinda solved it.

My strong willed lady uses XP and I use Zorin only when I use the internet.(sometimes XP too) I still keep the such such Puppy(so much installed, man... kind of treasure to me)

During the course of solution, I have found Puppy Internet connection procedure is relatively confusing and "Spaghetti code like".

So what I am saying is that Puppy has to overhaul the internet connection method like others.

I blamed the people, in collective terms, neglecting this over due problem so long.
Not a specific person and you shouldn't be responsible.

I still remember the APPLE ad I saw in 1984.

Simplification is the ultimate sophistication. ultimately boot up and go on the web.

John

[shinobar]

[puppyiso]

Thank you, shinobar

I feel like I saw light in total darkness.
I don't remember I have tried these or not but I will tried them.

My major concern is that I would like to use mainly Korean but also I have to write Japanese and Chinese, too.

I also had some difficulty setting up sound.

I am now searching for LupQ-511, Lupu-520 or Wary-500

Question; Does LupQ-511 require quickset to use Korean or included?
Does Wary equipped with Non English Language? I know about Wary Japanese edition but I need to type Korean.

Thank you again.

John

[puppyiso]

Never Mind my question

I will try LupuQ and lang_pack_cjk-lupq-0.2.sfs see what happens.

[Aitch]

puppyiso

Zorin's a 1.2gb iso!!

I'D want it to work, too!

...but I do get the point...but think you must have some tricky hardware or something, as many people use 56k modems still, and I don't see many calls for help....?

another one you could try is Joe's TXZ_pup 4.5, based on slackware kernel/hardware recognition

Aitch

[puppyiso]

Aitch

I use the lite verion less than 900MB one

It is not the hardware, I believe. I will try TXZ_pup 4.5 Thanks.

John

[puppyiso]

Test result except TXZ_pup 4.5

LupQ 511 -works but No korean there. Hmm...

Lupu-520 and Wary-500 both failed to boot on this AMD mc.

said not fiinding boot partition something and dropping to ram ...

Just for the heck of it, I will try old old version such as puppy 1.08

John

[puppyiso]

the old 421 works too