Puplite 5.0

[sc0ttman]

thanks for the reply,
i see that my first post didn't make clear that i had d'ld,
frugaled, failedboot, no xorg/xvesa choice page, straight
to black, tried again same result, first post...
cheers, mm

can you run xorgwizard at all? do:
- ctrl+alt+backspace to leave X, (if you are stuck there with a black screen or something)
- then type 'xorgwizard' and hit enter
- then hit enter, to choose the 'probe' option
- then choose your resolution, etc...

That should work fine, Puplite has the standard Xorg 7.3 from puppy4

I would assume that if the above doesnt start Xorg for you, your hardware doesn't like any Puppy 4.2s..
(or to be more exact, Puppy 4.2 doesn't like your hardware!)

You could try as a last attempt, to replace /usr/sbin/xorgwizard with /usr/sbin/xorgwizard-old

just type

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cp /usr/sbin/xorgwizard-old /usr/sbin/xorgwizard

that might do it.

[mmmrr]

details. follow, mm

[mmmrr]

details...
going to black without seeing xorg/xvesa choice window
hinged on my response to 'name the mouse' window.
all other puppies have suggested the target compu is
a ps2 mouse, even when i have a usb mouse plugged in.
i choose ps2 mouse; all is well.

it was when i tried choosing usb mouse that i reached
the xorg/xvesa page for puplite. when i rebooted i unplugged
the usb mouse. when i chose ps2 mouse the black screen
prevailed...only if i always chose usb mouse did i pass black.

now simple network setup is unable to connect with eth0
or wireless,wlan0, but when i try to use internet connection
wizard then snsetup, only sns pops up and fails again with no
internal choice of network utility nor offer to try another utility
when snsetup fails...i expect a reboot will sort it out but
puplite 4 looked so good that i've d/l it while typing and
i plan to jump to this fresher pony, midstream or no.

thanks for all this good work, by the way...one thing i've
noticed as missing in all pups i've tried...i also use a newer
laptop with a touchpad and pup default touchpad behaviour
is that a tap on the pad is treated as a left click...but the sensitivity
of the pad combineed with the fine default setting in puppy means
that a fingerstroke must be uniform and unbroken for if it is not
fthen unplanned events: windows opening, folders opening in the
blink of an eye then corrections attempted before the finger and
pad have found each other, so to speak...deeply disconcerting

missing is a warning on the opening page, one which tells
how to turn that default behaviour off if desired so just the buttons
do the right/left clicking. i think puplite is setting another new standard
for puppy...it could be the first to sport the little piece of user friendliness
such a useful alert would be.

cheers, mm

[sc0ttman]

mmmrr, I will be making a version of Puplite with a much newer kernel, and maybe newer Xorg as well..
If you're patient, you can try that one, when I make it..

Also, for anyone using Puplite 4.0:

Here is some info ion the puppy 5 compatibility update pet:

- lupu-compatible.pet contains libc-2.22.1, libesd-0.2.41, libfaad-2.7-4, libglib-2.24.0, libselinux-2.0.89, libslang-2.2.2, libstc++-4.4.3, libx86-1.1 (from ubuntu)
- You chould change the gobject symlink in /usr/lib from pointing at version 2400 to 1400 - fixes firefox and others, breaks pprocess
- it needs to be updated a little bit, with a nice pinstall script, so the old symlinks are pointing at the new files, I will do this soon, but it works quite well as it is..

[tengzelius]

Great iso, congratulations!

Using:
-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz
Memory : 512MB (121MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.43
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Jan 2011 02:52:51 PM GMT+5
-Display-
Resolution : 800x600 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
-Input Devices-
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse
Power Button
PC Speaker
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B
ATA WDC WD400BB-00JH
SD/MMC Card Reader

Working from SD Card. Writing this with 431.

First desk snapshot shows the SD Card as I work from 431 to write this note and bottom image is of 4.0 working well within xorg: (Remove #)
htt#p:/#/qr#et.mywebcommunity.o#rg/im#ag.htm

1. DL 4.2 iso and open (boot/extract) in "LITE" folder
2. Boot using existing Grub4DOS menu and poweroff
3. Save immediately to /LITE/pup_save.2fs
NOTE: The 4.2 slides nicely through the xorgwizard process whereas the 4.0 gives me what preceding posts discuss.
4. Delete all but /LITE/pup_save.2fs
5. DL 4.0 and open in "LITE" folder
6. Use ROX to copy image into /usr/share/backgrounds
7. Adjust background to suit

My menu.lst: (Remove #) htt#p:/#/qret.m#ywebcom#munity.or#g/menu.lst

Don't know how to upload files in this form yet.

Lou Tengzelius Guayailla, P.R. (DOB 1930)
It's only a tin roof shack on the beach but how sweet it is!

[mmmrr]

thanks for the replies, sc0ttman

made it to desktop, but this old machine [ 266 mhz, 160mb ram]
is slow on puplite, which cannot find ndiswrapper unless i modprobe
it, then can't find the pcmcia wireless card which is found/used by
other pups on the same machine: 412's, 435's, which are also
quite quick.

wary, quirky, 214X all ran, wirelessly, but too slowly to keep.
there are some fine pups that wouldn't run so puplite is in
good company...i like the way one can turn off control panel.

cheers, mm

[nancy reagan]

mmmrr, I will be making a version of Puplite with a much newer kernel, and maybe newer Xorg as well..
If you're patient, you can try that one, when I make it..

Also, for anyone using Puplite 4.0:

Here is some info ion the puppy 5 compatibility update pet:

- lupu-compatible.pet contains libc-2.22.1, libesd-0.2.41, libfaad-2.7-4, libglib-2.24.0, libselinux-2.0.89, libslang-2.2.2, libstc++-4.4.3, libx86-1.1 (from ubuntu)
- You chould change the gobject symlink in /usr/lib from pointing at version 2400 to 1400 - fixes firefox and others, breaks pprocess
- it needs to be updated a little bit, with a nice pinstall script, so the old symlinks are pointing at the new files, I will do this soon, but it works quite well as it is..

1 When I tried your 5 petter (live cd so very clean "install") the only thing that happened that the drive icons disappeared.

Well all the technical explananation above I do not understand. Dunno what symlink pinboard etc. is, hope your next is "automated" ?

You might call your next pup Puplite 5 ?

Revolutionary I suppose ?

2 The sfs's from your site I tried to mount did not mount ?

Looking forward.

[sc0ttman]

1 When I tried your 5 petter (live cd so very clean "install") the only thing that happened that the drive icons disappeared.

Did you refresh menus? Menu->Refresh Desktop

You won't actually see any difference, until you install a pet file made for a newer puppy, which when run, should load, or at least tell you of missing libs.
Otherwise it would not load at all, giving an error about "GLIBC" in the terminal.

See this thread for more info: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=489394

Well all the technical explananation above I do not understand. Dunno what symlink pinboard etc. is, hope your next is "automated" ?

It works as is for what it is designed for (explained clearly enough above, I hope!)
It's only a bit of cleaning up and tweaking to be done.

2 The sfs's from your site I tried to mount did not mount ?

Which ones?

[nancy reagan]

1 When I tried your 5 petter (live cd so very clean "install") the only thing that happened that the drive icons disappeared.

Did you refresh menus? Menu->Refresh Desktop

You won't actually see any difference, until you install a pet file made for a newer puppy, which when run, should load, or at least tell you of missing libs.
Otherwise it would not load at all, giving an error about "GLIBC" in the terminal.

See this thread for more info: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=489394

Well all the technical explananation above I do not understand. Dunno what symlink pinboard etc. is, hope your next is "automated" ?

It works as is for what it is designed for (explained clearly enough above, I hope!)
It's only a bit of cleaning up and tweaking to be done.

2 The sfs's from your site I tried to mount did not mount ?

Which ones?

Ooffice 4.2 and Assault Cube 4.2 and if I remember well Vbox.

Restarted X and tried it with reboot CD after "save to CD".. Your explanantion is too technical for me. Anyway thanks for your efforts.

[sc0ttman]

2 The sfs's from your site I tried to mount did not mount ?

Which ones?

Ooffice 4.2 and Assault Cube 4.2 and if I remember well Vbox.[q/uote]
Restarted X and tried it with reboot CD after "save to CD".. Your explanation is too technical for me. Anyway thanks for your efforts.

Hmm, both openoffice sfs loaded fine for me, and vbox.. assaultcube worked too, although I didn't go as far as playing it, only checking the files were present and the menu loaded.

( I right clicked on the sfs files and chose 'Load sfs')

Did you try on a clean install or using a save file?
You must have sufficient space in your save file to load the sfs files..

Also, assaultcube, like many 3d games, also requires OpenGL (which means you need to install drivers specific to your video card, links in 1st post)

[Puppyt]

nancy - I was coming up with similar problems as you in a pristine Lucid520 install - emil reminded me that what I had done wrong was a 'full' rather than 'frugal' install, in which case Puppy doesn't acknowledge the existence of SFSs'. Might that be your problem too?

Love your work, sc0ttman. Lurking as ever.

[BHINTZ]

I am enjoying playing with puplite, but wondering why the mouse wheel seems to work in the opposite direction of normal. I always end up scrolling up when I intend to scroll down. Is their a way to change this? Is it this way on purpose? Just curious.

bob

[sc0ttman]

I am enjoying playing with puplite, but wondering why the mouse wheel seems to work in the opposite direction of normal. I always end up scrolling up when I intend to scroll down. Is their a way to change this? Is it this way on purpose? Just curious.

bob

No idea, the mouse wheel on my mouse has been broken for around 5 years now!
I couldn't test it for you....

[technosaurus]

I am enjoying playing with puplite, but wondering why the mouse wheel seems to work in the opposite direction of normal. I always end up scrolling up when I intend to scroll down. Is their a way to change this? Is it this way on purpose? Just curious.

bob

its like being a jet pilot, except when you nose down instead of pulling up, your computer won't crash... hopefully

Now that others have seen what jwm can do with a tray for drives instead of separate desktop icons, what other things would people like to see? desktop buttons GUI... default apps tray... note that ptray can do some of this already, but not individual buttons at an x,y position (pseudo icons) nor a predefined wbar style tray with all of the default apps.

[starhawk]

I've just installed Puplite 4.0 on my HP, instead of Wary 500. It's really nice! I like it a lot. And, despite having a very similar 'layout' to DSL, it's amazingly more pleasant to use! (I really don't like DSL's GUI setup.)

I'd like a customizable apps tray -- so that I can keep ROX-Desktop off and still have easy access to my favorite apps, without wading through a half dozen menus.

One other suggestion to throw in: make Puplite "remember" when ROX-Desktop gets toggled on. I've only rebooted twice and I'm already sick of changing it every time I boot up.

...and one small bug: I can change the wallpaper with Menu>Desktop>Desktop Settings>Wallpaper-Changer... but not with the Desktop Wallpaper option in PupControl's "Desktop" tab.

[sc0ttman]

I've just installed Puplite 4.0 on my HP, instead of Wary 500. It's really nice! I like it a lot. And, despite having a very similar 'layout' to DSL, it's amazingly more pleasant to use! (I really don't like DSL's GUI setup.)

Glad you like it

I used DSL for around a year or so, back when I was 17 or 18, as I only had a very old K6 AMD 600mhz PC, 128mb RAM - I learnt to love DSL, and I guess Puplite ended up similar - but I never noticed till you pointed it out!

I'd like a customizable apps tray -- so that I can keep ROX-Desktop off and still have easy access to my favorite apps, without wading through a half dozen menus.

Puplite 4.0 already has one - favourites menu screenshot

There is a 'favourites' option, if you open the 'Apps' menu - the top link is a sub menu which shows all your favourites, and allows you to add more (click the 'add favourite' menu item).

One other suggestion to throw in: make Puplite "remember" when ROX-Desktop gets toggled on. I've only rebooted twice and I'm already sick of changing it every time I boot up.

Hmm, forgot to test that!! I'll look into it.. Donm't know why it won't stick though, it should do.. I'll check it out.

...and one small bug: I can change the wallpaper with Menu>Desktop>Desktop Settings>Wallpaper-Changer... but not with the Desktop Wallpaper option in PupControl's "Desktop" tab.

Yep, I forgot to fix that, I will fix it for the next one.
For now, it's best to use Wallpaper-Changer, or right click on an image when using ROX, and choose 'Set as Wallpaper'.

[sc0ttman]

For anyone wanting to use ndiswrapper, you should download this PERL package, which I have attached.


I also included an updated ndiswrapper (optional)

They will be in version 5.0 as standard.

[starhawk]

Thanks for pointing things out, sc0ttman! But...

By favorites "tray" I meant something different. In the "stardust" theme that someone (can't remember their name, sorry!) cooked up for JWM, there's a little toolbar-type box at the top with icons in it that you can click.

Much better in my mind then a context menu entry.

EDIT: also, how does one change the color of the "stats" block in the upper-right-hand corner of the desktop? (ROX-desktop off)

[sc0ttman]

Thanks for pointing things out, sc0ttman! But...

By favorites "tray" I meant something different. In the "stardust" theme that someone (can't remember their name, sorry!) cooked up for JWM, there's a little toolbar-type box at the top with icons in it that you can click.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 341#482341
See this post, it may be half way to what you want.

You could also search this forum for "Pwidgets"
(in the 'Desktop' section of the PETs thread, or get an older version from the puppy4 repo, link in 1st post)

EDIT: also, how does one change the color of the "stats" block in the upper-right-hand corner of the desktop? (ROX-desktop off)

Edit the file /usr/sbin/pmconky.sh, right click on it and choose 'Edit in Geany'

You should change line 70:

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/usr/sbin/root-tail -g 50x18-10+10 -font fixed /var/log/test,white & #-reload " 5 pmconky.sh" 

Replace "white" with another colour (not sure exactly what others are supported)

[starhawk]

Gaah, Pwidgets insists on using the ROX desktop. I've found somehow that I was clinging to it too much and I like the Not-ROX Desktop (with PMconky, etc.) much better.

Lemme dig around in JWM and see if I can find what I want.

EDIT: nevermind, there's not even an option for a 2nd tray.